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Single parent dating-no hope

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Slowdownxo · 27/04/2025 09:20

I'm a single mum of one wonderful, well rounded child. I'm 31, work full time in a job I love, providing emotional support and guidance to teens on the spectrum in a specialist setting. I rent our home and due to anxiety and trauma, I don't drive. I've done lots of work in therapy around this however, it's something I've not managed to overcome.

I separated from my sons dad 6 years ago, have dated and entered a relationship 3 years later however, he had some deep rooted issues he wasn't wanting to work on and so it couldn't continue. There have been other brief encounters however, nothing of substance. I've worked a lot on myself after breaking up with my ex partner, done a lot of inner work to overcome anxiety etc, I've developed more confidence and coping mechanisms. I love meditation and do it frequently.

Yesterday, for the first time in 5 months, I went on a date with someone I've been messaging for nearly 2 weeks. We spoke on the phone the night before and he made a couple of references to my accent being strong (I'm welsh), nobody has ever said this before and I laughed it off. There was a silence during the call which he commented on. He commented on my use of big words, as he called it and said I use them frequently. We spoke for a little while and ended the call, saying he was looking forward to seeing me tomorrow.

The day came, we exchanged brief messages, he made a comment about me applying makeup with a trowel (I wear very little makeup), and he'd see me later. I thought this was odd and rude but, whatever. He arrived half hour late, I made no comment on it and off we went. General chit chat etc was fine, he asked why I don't drive and I just said I have anxiety that I haven't been able to manage, I didn't want to trauma dump on first meet and left it at that. He poked fun but I laughed it off. We get to the destination and we're walking through town, I accidentally bumped into him a bit trying to move out of a couple's way with their dog. He mad e a comment about walking in a straight line or I'd be walking home.

Moving on, conversation got going and he again pulled me up for having an extended vocabulary, I wasn't in my mind using fancy words but I apologised. He then said that when he commented on my accent, it's because he thought I sounded common. I didn't really expect this and just nodded and dismissed it. He asked about my anxiety, saying he has it too. I asked if that's why he has a lot of sarcastic banter, as he said he'd been nervous. He said he isn't sarcastic, I didn't carry the conversation on.

He referenced money quite a lot, something I'm not rich in but certainly not lacking, I'm very self sufficient and independent in this aspect. He made comments about selling his home and purchasing a bigger one, which seemed odd to me, as he only has one 17 year old daughter. He went on about his parents having a lot of financial security etc. I stated I was financially secure but don't put huge amounts of emphasis on this, as long as someone is able to work and support their family, I've no real opinion on other people's finances.

We spoke about where our families were from, his parents were from similar areas to my parents growing up. We then began talking to an older couple, who actually grew up a few streets away from my dad. They were really lovely and I really enjoyed their conversation. He was a little quieter and didn't engage as much. They left and I said how nice they were, he then passed a comment about the area they were from, as if it were beneath him. I found this peculiar, as his parents were from similar areas.

The rest of the time was him having subtle digs and jokes about me, while talking about things that were factually wrong. I didn't correct him. We had a couple of laughs along the way, but I really sat there feeling deflated. He continued to count any silence we encountered for the rest of the time. I then said maybe we should head home, as time was ticking on. We'd been out three hours and I really was done. I did consider just getting the train home, as it's 15 minutes from where we live however, I didn't want to seem rude.

We left and by the car journey home, I didn't have it in me to continue any conversation. He made a little more effort and we got on a bit better. We'd originally planned to go out again today however, he made it clear that wouldn't be happening, which I was quite ok with. It was a shame however, because we got on so well over messages. It just seemed as the day arrived, a more condescending version of him came out. He wished me well as I got out and drove off.

He messaged me waffling on about a Chinese when he got home, I responded and he didn't reply. I messaged a little while later saying I'm obviously not what he was looking for and I'll respect that, politely saying we could remain friends if he wishes to and thanked him for the afternoon, he responded 4 hours later saying he'd like to be friends.
I know I've gone on here, but is this what's left out there? I'm a lower citizen because I don't drive, so am below him and deserve to be spoken to so rudely? I'd love to meet someone to share my time with when my son is in his dads house, do things with and share interests without being called a 'witch' or 'demon worshipper', or referred to as rough. I've been left feeling really bad about myself and really concerned that the only men left are arrogant or have drug/alcohol issues. Please share some positive relationship experiences and make me feel like I shouldn't give up hope just yet.

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Windywuss · 27/04/2025 09:30

Darling, you met an arsehole. That's it. Don't be friends. I don't want friends who 'neg' me.

You're young. But online dating is not fun. I would restrict your dates to a quick coffee and be much less invested in them. You might have a better time and more luck doing meet ups/hobbies perhaps?

I think you sound really grounded. Keep going in your direction..... Don't compromise. He sounded dreadful. Ring a friend and laugh about it. X

Augustus40 · 27/04/2025 09:31

Men who refer to your long words are less intelligent than you. I had this with ds's dad.

He used to think I was using 'long word's to show off!

Pikablue · 27/04/2025 09:34

He sounds awful, but isn't representative of all men! My advice would be to chat less beforehand because it breeds a familiarity before you actually know them at all (obviously meet somewhere public though for safety), it also makes it more upsetting when you meet them and they're awful because you're used to the messaging back and forth and know you'll miss that element.

VicksJunkie · 27/04/2025 09:34

Yeah, he’s negging you. As for buying a bigger house, he’s hoping you’ll finance that with him. I’m glad you had the insight/foresight to end things. As PP says above, perhaps the best option is to try to meet someone organically through hobbies. Online dating is a cesspit at times, and he probably only wants to maintain a friendship so he can badger you into no strings attached sex. 🗑️

Slowdownxo · 27/04/2025 09:34

Hi @Windywuss, thank you for commenting. I don't actually want to be friends, I think I was just trying to be polite. The date went on for so long because he was giving me a history tour. Think he'd be reading Wikipedia however, because none of it was factually correct haha.

I shall do just that, I'm sure they'll have plenty to say. Thank you.

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HeatedBlanketAllYear · 27/04/2025 09:36

Wow, so many red flags there! Block him and find someone who’s bright enough to understand a wide vocabulary and value you.
These were not jokes, it was unkind criticism that would continue if you ever saw him again. Don’t. You deserve better.

Honon · 27/04/2025 09:36

You're overthinking this a bit. Dating is a numbers game and you have to be pretty Teflon coated. You've met one man, you might have to go on a hundred dates to find the one for you. You might get lucky and meet someone much quicker. But you have to let go of the crappy dates quickly, don't bother raking over it, he's not for you and not worth your headspace. Onto the next one.

Slowdownxo · 27/04/2025 09:36

@Augustus40 @VicksJunkie @Pikablue Thank you for these comments. It's hard when you don't get loads of free time out of mum life. I really appreciate your comments and will take advice onboard.

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JenniferAnistonForReals · 27/04/2025 09:41

Ugh. He sounds awful. I’m sorry he treated you so horribly. I had given up hope before I met my partner. (And spent the first couple of months anxious he was tricking me in some way by being so nice.)

I wish you all the good luck. It’s not easy, but I promise there are decent men around.

Windywuss · 27/04/2025 09:44

Slowdownxo · 27/04/2025 09:34

Hi @Windywuss, thank you for commenting. I don't actually want to be friends, I think I was just trying to be polite. The date went on for so long because he was giving me a history tour. Think he'd be reading Wikipedia however, because none of it was factually correct haha.

I shall do just that, I'm sure they'll have plenty to say. Thank you.

Haha see? He's one of those. He wants an audience. You were supposed to hang on his every word and be very impressed. Instead you had bigger words than him, that he didn't understand. Bless. How funny 😂

I met one of those once. Was so bad. He worked for one of the BIG FOUR (I was supposed to be impressed). Sadly, he couldn't hold his drink, was dull as dishwater and hid in the loo when the bill came hoping I'd pay. I paid my half and waited for him 🤣 What a Pollock. He's still online!

OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 27/04/2025 09:54

I would have left that date a lot sooner! You don't have to stand for any of that, arranged date or not. If someone is rude or disrespectful you are perfectly entitled to say

"on reflection I don't think we're a match. I'm going to go home now, it was nice to meet you."

You don't owe anyone anything beyond basic politeness. It doesn't matter how far they have traveled to meet you or anything. Your time is your time and you spend it how you wish.

I agree coffee meet ups (in a coffee shop not pub) are a good idea, and is something I always leant towards the brief times I have done OLD. However I found that the appetite for them was low; men wanted a whole chunk of time up front!

Springtimefordaffs · 27/04/2025 09:54

You have a deal more patience than I would have had with anyone who thought my vocabulary was 'show off' rather than accurate or concise.
But maybe I am a show off.
Delete! Next!

Annialisting · 27/04/2025 09:58

Slowdownxo · 27/04/2025 09:20

I'm a single mum of one wonderful, well rounded child. I'm 31, work full time in a job I love, providing emotional support and guidance to teens on the spectrum in a specialist setting. I rent our home and due to anxiety and trauma, I don't drive. I've done lots of work in therapy around this however, it's something I've not managed to overcome.

I separated from my sons dad 6 years ago, have dated and entered a relationship 3 years later however, he had some deep rooted issues he wasn't wanting to work on and so it couldn't continue. There have been other brief encounters however, nothing of substance. I've worked a lot on myself after breaking up with my ex partner, done a lot of inner work to overcome anxiety etc, I've developed more confidence and coping mechanisms. I love meditation and do it frequently.

Yesterday, for the first time in 5 months, I went on a date with someone I've been messaging for nearly 2 weeks. We spoke on the phone the night before and he made a couple of references to my accent being strong (I'm welsh), nobody has ever said this before and I laughed it off. There was a silence during the call which he commented on. He commented on my use of big words, as he called it and said I use them frequently. We spoke for a little while and ended the call, saying he was looking forward to seeing me tomorrow.

The day came, we exchanged brief messages, he made a comment about me applying makeup with a trowel (I wear very little makeup), and he'd see me later. I thought this was odd and rude but, whatever. He arrived half hour late, I made no comment on it and off we went. General chit chat etc was fine, he asked why I don't drive and I just said I have anxiety that I haven't been able to manage, I didn't want to trauma dump on first meet and left it at that. He poked fun but I laughed it off. We get to the destination and we're walking through town, I accidentally bumped into him a bit trying to move out of a couple's way with their dog. He mad e a comment about walking in a straight line or I'd be walking home.

Moving on, conversation got going and he again pulled me up for having an extended vocabulary, I wasn't in my mind using fancy words but I apologised. He then said that when he commented on my accent, it's because he thought I sounded common. I didn't really expect this and just nodded and dismissed it. He asked about my anxiety, saying he has it too. I asked if that's why he has a lot of sarcastic banter, as he said he'd been nervous. He said he isn't sarcastic, I didn't carry the conversation on.

He referenced money quite a lot, something I'm not rich in but certainly not lacking, I'm very self sufficient and independent in this aspect. He made comments about selling his home and purchasing a bigger one, which seemed odd to me, as he only has one 17 year old daughter. He went on about his parents having a lot of financial security etc. I stated I was financially secure but don't put huge amounts of emphasis on this, as long as someone is able to work and support their family, I've no real opinion on other people's finances.

We spoke about where our families were from, his parents were from similar areas to my parents growing up. We then began talking to an older couple, who actually grew up a few streets away from my dad. They were really lovely and I really enjoyed their conversation. He was a little quieter and didn't engage as much. They left and I said how nice they were, he then passed a comment about the area they were from, as if it were beneath him. I found this peculiar, as his parents were from similar areas.

The rest of the time was him having subtle digs and jokes about me, while talking about things that were factually wrong. I didn't correct him. We had a couple of laughs along the way, but I really sat there feeling deflated. He continued to count any silence we encountered for the rest of the time. I then said maybe we should head home, as time was ticking on. We'd been out three hours and I really was done. I did consider just getting the train home, as it's 15 minutes from where we live however, I didn't want to seem rude.

We left and by the car journey home, I didn't have it in me to continue any conversation. He made a little more effort and we got on a bit better. We'd originally planned to go out again today however, he made it clear that wouldn't be happening, which I was quite ok with. It was a shame however, because we got on so well over messages. It just seemed as the day arrived, a more condescending version of him came out. He wished me well as I got out and drove off.

He messaged me waffling on about a Chinese when he got home, I responded and he didn't reply. I messaged a little while later saying I'm obviously not what he was looking for and I'll respect that, politely saying we could remain friends if he wishes to and thanked him for the afternoon, he responded 4 hours later saying he'd like to be friends.
I know I've gone on here, but is this what's left out there? I'm a lower citizen because I don't drive, so am below him and deserve to be spoken to so rudely? I'd love to meet someone to share my time with when my son is in his dads house, do things with and share interests without being called a 'witch' or 'demon worshipper', or referred to as rough. I've been left feeling really bad about myself and really concerned that the only men left are arrogant or have drug/alcohol issues. Please share some positive relationship experiences and make me feel like I shouldn't give up hope just yet.

What an absolute twat!

My advice is to ditch the dating sites and try and build up your network of supportive friends. The more I hear about the sort of men on those sites, the more I think men are areseholes.

Edit - So sorry, I didn’t realise I’d quoted the OP.

Psychologymam · 27/04/2025 09:59

I think with online dating to treat it a bit less seriously - maybe meet for a quick coffee first time and don’t spend ages messaging. You met an asshole and will probably meet a few more before you hopefully meet someone nice who you click with. But I wouldn’t worry so much about what they think of you - the date is a chance for you both to see what the other person is like. And please don’t be friends with this idiot? It sounds horrible - why have a friend who makes cruel comments to you?

Slowdownxo · 27/04/2025 10:07

I'd taken other people's advice and just allowed him to arrange the date, I thought it would be nice to let a man do a bit of planning. I shall do exactly this and stick to a coffee date in future.
I use the dating site simply because I don't have loads of free time, between mum life and work life, it's hard to filter in time to meet people organically. I shall make more of a conscious effort to do so.
I really appreciate the comments. Really was starting to think that I'm the problem and this is what the selection is going to be. I'll remain optimistic and hopeful. Thank you.

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Lookingtomakechanges · 27/04/2025 10:12

Bloody hell! You will laugh about that date in years to come, OP.
Maybe try being more easily put off by the pre-date phone call in future. Insulting your accent and vocab should be a no-no. It’s rude. He probably thinks he’s funny.

YRGAM · 27/04/2025 10:14

You've just met a complete arsehole I'm afraid! It happens to most people every so often. Please don't let it knock you off your stride.

category12 · 27/04/2025 10:15

I think he was deliberately "negging" you.

He was probably expecting you to go running to prove yourself to him.

Fortunately it didn't work on you, other than you're now questioning yourself.

I don't think it has a single thing to do with you being a single mum, it's to do with him being a manipulative dick.

crackofdoom · 27/04/2025 10:19

Augustus40 · 27/04/2025 09:31

Men who refer to your long words are less intelligent than you. I had this with ds's dad.

He used to think I was using 'long word's to show off!

All. The. Fucking. Time.

It's a dead giveaway. However, well done him for so clearly and transparently showing you he was a tosser so early on, so you didn't have to waste any more time on him.

(My speciality seems to be men who hide their resentment at me having an MA/ using long words/ reading books until about 6 -12 months in. And then the negging begins...🙄).

Blushingm · 27/04/2025 10:22

You just didn’t click with one person - that doesn’t mean you’re doomed.

it took 6 years of on/off dating apps etc for me to find DP. He’s lovely and we’ve been together 3 years next week

Itiswhysofew · 27/04/2025 10:24

He doesn't like himself from the sounds of it. He's a snob and would be insufferable to be around long-term.Flowers

Slowdownxo · 27/04/2025 10:31

@crackofdoom funny you should say that. I'm a big reader and I mentioned this to him. He said he doesn't read books, apparently doesn't have time between work and walking his dog. He was also very quiet when I said I'd been offered a special ed teaching role in Dubai recently, however I turned it down.

I did feel that maybe he didn't like that I'm relatively smart. This isn't something I lead with or even think about, as I don't rate myself above others. Something hit a nerve somewhere obviously.

I'll wish him well and trust the process.

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mildlydispeptic · 27/04/2025 10:36

Yup, total tool. You definitely don’t have to stand for that kind of behaviour, OP.

One thing though (sorry if I’m misinterpreting here) really not a good idea to be in a car together on a first date. Did he pick you up from home? Best practice is to travel independently and meet on neutral territory. Luckily it sounds like he’s just a common or garden twat, but based on the way he was negging you right from the pre-date stage he could have been more a more dangerous kind of misogynist.

Specso · 27/04/2025 10:38

Online dating is generally considered to be terrible (and dating in general to be honest) and for the most part it is from my experience. I wanted to share a positive story though.

I dated on and off for 3 years after my divorce. I experienced a lot of messed up men who haven’t dealt with their issues, ghosting, very unusual/unsettling sexual preferences, sarcastic/rude comments, low level interest, general lack of care, I could go on.

It’s very demoralising and I genuinely felt like there were no kind, decent men out there. Shortly afterwards I met my now partner on facebook dating and he’s the kindest man who treats me with so much love and respect. No red flags in sight. I say this as someone who was very sceptical at that point and certainly not about to be swept up in some romantic fantasy.

They are out there but the few men on online dating who are kind, loving and decent get snapped up very quickly. You just need to meet the right one at the right time so don’t lose hope. I dated so many weirdos and wronguns before I got there.

TheHerboriste · 27/04/2025 10:42

He’s a complete and utter arsehole.
I would have walked out after “common.”

Have you considered doing the Freedom Programme?

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