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Am I right to be upset?

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OtterStone · 23/04/2025 11:48

My partner has been amazing ever since I met her. She's smart, funny and appeared to be honest and respectful. She promised she would never cheat or lie and during a recent conversation she told me how much she respects me. However...

Easter Sunday i'm at home with a bit of a cold. I've bought an Easter egg for my partner's daugher and my partner is aware I have it. My partner texts me to say she feels like a bad girlfriend because she hadn't been to see me or look after me while i'd been sick. I message back and say i'd be happy to see her but she replies back saying she needs to do housework and look after her dogs. I understand she has a busy life so think no more of it. A couple of hours later a friend of mine rings to see if I fancy going around for a coffee so I agree and ring my partner to let her know that i'm heading over to his house (just in case she was going to turn up and surprise me). She doesn't answer her phone so I grab the Easter egg and decide that as I have to drive passed my partner's house to get to my friend's house, i'll stop by with the Easter egg. As I get onto my partner's road she rings me back and I can hear she's out somewhere so I ask her where she is to which she replies "I'm out". I say "Oh, where are you?", to which she replies, "I've decided to nip out". I'm wondering whether I should park up and wait or if she's going to be out for ages but it also feels like she's trying to avoid telling me where she is. At this point i'm now driving past her house and can see her car parked outside. I ask, "Where are you" and she replies "I'm at the (named) pub, can I ring you back later". I agree and hang up as I know the pub is nowhere near walking distance to her house so someone has been to pick her up which means she's going to be out for a while. At this point, i'm expecting her to text me at some point and tell me she was out with one of the lads from work who she's good friends with. Instead she texts me kicking off for checking up on her. She doesn't tell me who she's with and over the next few hours she's so angry with me. Her reaction is so bizarre that I know there's clearly something going on that she thinks will upset me. The next day she texts me and tells me that she met up with an ex but that she was never physically anywhere near him and that she was sat the other side and end of a long pub bench. She tells me that it was a very last minute thing and that they met at the pub. I tell her that I know that's not true because i'd seen her car outside her house. I asked her why she arranged to meet her ex behind my back on a day we should have been together with her daughter and she said she felt she had to be respectful to her ex and wanted to meet him to tell him that she was in a relationship with me!!! She's been in other relationships since this ex so this just struck me as bizarre.

We met up a bit later on and she tells me that after she rang me from the pub she got upset and went home, however, by some unbelievable crazy timing her daughter walks in and without prompting asks if I know that they were at the pub for ages yesterday with the (named) ex and then went to McDonalds. During our conversation a few issues were brought up and she tells me she will now make it clear that we are in a relationship to everyone...something she'd told me she'd already done. All my friends, family and colleagues know! She told me she can't change her WhatsApp photo to a photo of me and her as it will upset the ex she met up with, this became another talking point. She hasn't been with him for years!! She told me she would arrange to meet with him again so she can tell him we're together and I was gobsmacked that she was suggesting this again. I said it has nothing to do with him but if she felt she had to tell him then she could always just text him. She told me she would ring him instead but he would be very angry!

I'm so upset because I trusted her. I trusted her to do right by me and it just doesn't feel that way. I feel disrespected. I feel like rather than us being a family on Easter Sunday, she instead was a family with her ex. She's apologised, said she gets it and said that she knows she'll need to rebuild the trust and will make more of an effort as my girlfriend. She told me she'd change her WhatsApp photo to a photo of me and her (which she hasn't done) and that she would ring me every night before we go to sleep which I find quite nice as I do miss her when she's not around. She's not done that either.

There have been other issues with exes e.g. we're on a date and she sends photos of where we are to a different ex because it's where he always used to take her. Another ex has got upset because she doesn't call him every day anymore. Then there was a lad in a pub garden but that's a different story!

I don't want any grand gestures, I just want to go back to knowing that when she tells me she's doing ABC, she's actually doing ABC. I want to trust that she respects me enough to do right by me. The trust has been broken and I don't know if it can be repaired. Does anyone have any advice?

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Fiddlerontherooftop · 16/05/2025 12:40

What are the “mistakes” from her past… tha best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

I will agree with the other poster that you do appear to be monitoring this girl quite extensively, it’s possible to drive someone away by tightening the noose too tightly. Relax, unclench. I’m becoming agitated just reading your story!

OtterStone · 16/05/2025 13:27

Fiddlerontherooftop · 16/05/2025 12:40

What are the “mistakes” from her past… tha best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

I will agree with the other poster that you do appear to be monitoring this girl quite extensively, it’s possible to drive someone away by tightening the noose too tightly. Relax, unclench. I’m becoming agitated just reading your story!

So her mistakes are cheating on her husband with someone from work (the affair partner being the one she sent the photos to when we were out). She also said that all of her exes have had a problem with how close she gets to blokes.

Genuine question, how am I monitoring her extensively?

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MarkingBad · 16/05/2025 13:33

OtterStone · 16/05/2025 13:27

So her mistakes are cheating on her husband with someone from work (the affair partner being the one she sent the photos to when we were out). She also said that all of her exes have had a problem with how close she gets to blokes.

Genuine question, how am I monitoring her extensively?

If you want a monogamous relationship the woman is never going to fit right with you.

Trickedbyadoughnut · 16/05/2025 13:38

Honestly, from the sounds of it, she enjoys the way she lives and having several men at her beck and call.

That does not align with your values.

This is not going to work.

Goditsmemargaret · 16/05/2025 14:01

Oh FFS you are being played! I absolutely hate women like her and never understand why men don't see what is right in front of their noses.

Let me guess; she is very attractive looking, always seems to know what you need to hear has no female friends? You want to take care of her?

Newsflash - She's keeping a whole host of men on standby to look after her.

She's pathetic and you're participating in the whole sorry mess. Your mates AND their wives are all shaking their heads and laughing at you. Block her and don't bother giving her a reason. She's a lying, untrustworthy probably cheating manipulator..

OtterStone · 16/05/2025 14:10

Goditsmemargaret · 16/05/2025 14:01

Oh FFS you are being played! I absolutely hate women like her and never understand why men don't see what is right in front of their noses.

Let me guess; she is very attractive looking, always seems to know what you need to hear has no female friends? You want to take care of her?

Newsflash - She's keeping a whole host of men on standby to look after her.

She's pathetic and you're participating in the whole sorry mess. Your mates AND their wives are all shaking their heads and laughing at you. Block her and don't bother giving her a reason. She's a lying, untrustworthy probably cheating manipulator..

Your guess is correct...she is attractive, always says the right thing and has no female friends. Apparently, women are "too much drama" which she says is one of the reasons she is going out with these lads who are in their very early 20's and she is 37. As for wanting to take care of her, you've nailed that as well as i've bought into her story of her never being treated properly and how she wants to settle down.

OP posts:
MarkingBad · 16/05/2025 14:14

OtterStone · 16/05/2025 14:10

Your guess is correct...she is attractive, always says the right thing and has no female friends. Apparently, women are "too much drama" which she says is one of the reasons she is going out with these lads who are in their very early 20's and she is 37. As for wanting to take care of her, you've nailed that as well as i've bought into her story of her never being treated properly and how she wants to settle down.

Women aren't too much drama she just can't lead them around by their balls and tire of her very quickly.

ThrowAwayHooray · 16/05/2025 14:33

FYI - changing her WhatsApp picture doesn’t mean anything; if you go to Settings > Privacy > Profile Photo you can exclude individual contacts from seeing your profile picture so she can change it to one of the two of you but then exclude her many men from seeing it and you’d be none the wiser thinking it’s there for everyone to see.

She promised she would never cheat or lie and during a recent conversation she told me how much she respects me.

This is a red flag to me, obviously context is everything but the only people I know who specifically go out of their way to tell their partners that they won’t lie and cheat on them are actually the liars and cheaters; for everyone else it goes without saying because in a relationship not lying and cheating should be a given. Same thing with telling your partner how much you respect them; unless it’s for a particular reason (I really respect how you handled that situation or I really respect you for making that decision) then it’s just odd, most people don’t go around telling their partners how much they respect them just in general unless they’ve done something (or are about to do something) which they know is disrespectful. Like I said, context is everything and only you know the context in which it was said but I’d think carefully if I was you, people are usually at their most vocal when they know their actions don’t match their words. Listen to your gut, sometimes things are said which in theory are absolutely lovely but if it doesn’t feel quite right (context, frequency, overly emphatic) there’s usually a reason.

I’d end it if I was you, this woman is a bunting of red flags just based on the behaviour you know about anyway.

AnonymousLee · 16/05/2025 16:35

Female narcissist. Your OP reads like a textbook account of someone questioning their own common sense. Your OP title actually asks others if you should be upset! Because you've gotten yourself caught up with a narcissistic woman. You seem determined to believe her explanations because she appears so plausible, normal. Yet you got a full on tantrum as thanks for showing up at her house over Easter. Because you weren't supposed to. The outrage was her in panic mode buying some time. She then lied to you some more. They live double lives these kinds of people and rely on "coincidences" to string you along. It's so much more than playing games or collecting exes. Deceit is their life's work and what gets them up in the morning. But reading your replies to others I think you're still looking for the good in her. How would you advise a troubled friend who was seeking your counsel about a partner like this?

Don't say I didn't tell you

MounjaroMounjaro · 16/05/2025 17:02

You sound lovely and this relationship is obviously confusing for you. She loves the drama, loves the attention, loves the idea of men fighting over her. She has no idea how to behave in a relationship. Sending an ex photos of a restaurant you're in with a current boyfriend is weird beyond words - the only explanation is she's trying to make her ex remember the good times they shared.

I would dump her, OP. I think you'd get snapped up by someone a lot nicer than this woman. You'll never be able to trust her and trust is the foundation of all good relationships. Don't let her say you'll always be friends or anything like that - she does not behave as a true friend would.

Dump her, block her everywhere, delete her number. She will fight back, trying to win you back - she loves the drama, as I've said. You need to grey rock her (look it up) and never ever respond.

People like this do drive others crazy because the recipient is hearing "I love you" and seeing "I don't give a damn about you" at the same time. It's called cognitive dissonance - I know reading up about that explained so much in my own life.

category12 · 16/05/2025 17:33

OtterStone · 16/05/2025 14:10

Your guess is correct...she is attractive, always says the right thing and has no female friends. Apparently, women are "too much drama" which she says is one of the reasons she is going out with these lads who are in their very early 20's and she is 37. As for wanting to take care of her, you've nailed that as well as i've bought into her story of her never being treated properly and how she wants to settle down.

I wouldn't be surprised if women are "too much drama" because she has a habit of zeroing in on boyfriends/partners. 🙄

Whynotaxthisyear · 16/05/2025 18:00

OtterStone · 16/05/2025 11:46

This is where it gets complicated. She assures me that it's platonic for her yet these blokes don't appear to see it in the same way. She tells me she doesn't mislead them, doesn't believe she misled her ex (by going to parties, theatre and days out with him after they broke up), and that men just kiss women all the time without the woman showing any interest.

She doesn't believe that by going out drinking with a bloke and then inviting him into her house sends mixed signals. She convinced me that I was so wrong about this that I asked my male friends what they would think if a woman invited them into her house after going out drinking. They all said they thought it would mean she wants more than friendship. Unbeknown to me, they then asked their partners (one of whom is a counsellor/therapist) what they thought and they all said it only sends one message.

This is the problem - you don't like the way she behaves and (it seems) don't entirely trust her either, or at least not her judgement. That's no basis for a relationship. You are getting a lot of affirmination from your friends too.
I wonder what keeps you in the relationship. If you are hoping she will change, it doesn't sound likely.

RoxyRoo2011 · 02/11/2025 17:16

Sorry, wrong thread

Jango12 · 02/11/2025 17:27

Run

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