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Had an affair with a 39 year old married man when I was 19. Was this wrong?

74 replies

Thenighttimer · 01/04/2025 00:45

Okay so this happened years ago and went on for almost 3 years. Nobody ever found out but as I’ve got older I’ve always questioned the age gap and although it isn’t considered “illegal” I’m always wondering wether it was still morally wrong.
the man was 39 and married with a 7 year old when we met and I was only 19.
he told me a lotttt about a his home life, personal life and marriage. Told me at one point he’d leave his wife for me and wanted to live with me. Suddenly after 3 years I think I woke up and had enough and ghosted him. He’s recently got back in touch. I’ve never told anyone mainly because I’m not proud but have always wanted someone else’s opinion on this?!

OP posts:
90yomakeuproom · 02/04/2025 07:11

Why are you posting about this multiple times?

DunnoMate · 02/04/2025 07:11

Didn’t you post pretty much the same the other day??

Everyone on that thread told you a) you were wrong/naive to be with a married man then and b) you were ludicrous for considering giving it another go.

Block and delete him, move on op.

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 07:59

Thenighttimer · 01/04/2025 01:07

I would like to add from the replies that at the time, I did know it was wrong and have never felt proud. If anything, as I was young I enjoyed the attention and obviously the excitement. I think more of what I question as I get older is was the age gap considered normal from someone’s else’s perspective as I’ve only ever had my own to go from and as I never once felt used, I always felt like I justified it.

Personally I think a 39 yr old man getting involved with a 19 yr old woman was predatory.

Inappropriate and predatory.

The fact that he was cheating (and repeatedly at that) on his spouse & mother of his children is just another element demonstrating his lack of morality & integrity, and his departure from appropriate/acceptable behaviour.

I watch a lot of true crime videos and one thing I've noticed about the perpetrators of serious crimes is that they are almost always cheaters and they are often sexually involved with inappropriate partners (due to relative youth, close family member or family friend, friend's partner etc.).
(Incidentally they are also often involved in financial mis-dealings and cannot manage money responsibly).

I'm obviously not saying that all cheaters become serious criminals, but it's interesting that so many serious criminals are also cheaters and also tend to seek & take opportunities with partners who could be regarded as inappropriate (often with some element of predation).

It's part of a picture of sociopathic personality traits.
It's very likely they have a personality disorder.

I'd speculate that the married man sits firmly on that spectrum somewhere.

Personally I don't blame you, in your youth and with your background, for getting involved.

And you clearly developed some attachment - which is easy when you're intimate with someone (oxytocin), easy when someone is portraying you as a soul mate, easy when it's illicit and exciting and seems "adult".
Easy when someone is hitting you with all the lines that attached cheaters use to get and keep their other women ("relationship broken down, only staying for kids, she's indifferent to me, she's got someone else too, I can't talk to her the way I talk to you"). They use those lines/that narrative because they work. Especially on inexperienced women.

The attachment/dopamine hit etc. is probably why you were tempted when drinking, to respond.

But luckily you were able not to. And luckily it seems like your unhappiness with the situation and unhappiness with his (very ironic) jealousy and attempts at control won out.

He is not a good partner. Not to anyone. You said you've met some decent blokes. Keep looking, keep trying to meet them and date as much as you can. The 20s is when many people get involved with & build relationships with their future spouse/long term partner. The dating pool is not getting bigger after this, it's getting smaller. Put effort in and strike now.

You have the chance to find someone decent - this guy is not.

He's a washed up, middle aged, already has kids he has to pay for, serial cheater, liar and - as I said - he was/is a predator.

He does not have the rules and boundaries of a decent person, he's a sociopath to some extent.

Feel sorry for his wife - that she got stuck with someone like him as her main life partner. Don't get stuck with an even worse deal than her (because you know what he's like, and because you're 20 fkg years younger).
He is her main life partner. Even if she escape the relationship abd has another significant relationship; he will always have been a life partner and will always be the father of her children.
Meanwhile he can, as he deserves to be ,a mere blip in your life. You, unlike her, can find a decent life partner.

Look out for yourself.

Looking out for yourself excludes ever getting involved with that specimen, again.

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 09:13

Oh and two small points on theoretically getting involved with him again - and the possibility of him being single (which he probably still is not, he's just trying to keep some other women on his rotation);

If he was jealous and controlling when he was 39 and had a partner at home himself .... What do you think he would be like at nearly 50?! With a young woman more or less half his age. And if he was single/you were his only partner, to boot.

He knew he was punching, that's why he was insecure. He knew he was cradle snatching and you should have been involved with a nice, attractive guy around you own age; there's why he was insecure. He projects his cheating, scummy behaviour onto others, that's why he was insecure. It wouldn't be any better with you still very young and him nearly middle aged. It would be even worse.

Secondly, as I mentioned in your other thread; men over 40 produce more kids with ASD, and men over 50 produce more kids with serious mental health issues including schizophrenia.
He's not a great bet for fathering kids.
He'd also be late 40s before they even arrived. And he's done it all before (not very well, given his behaviour towards their mother and family). No novelty. No great motivation. You'd be stuck with it all (when you wouldn't be with a decent bloke around your age).

WeNeverGoOutOfStyle · 02/04/2025 09:16

Is op posting this again and again just hoping that eventually someone will say he sounds wonderful, definitely get back with him?

If you are, then op get back with him, you are both horrid and deserve each other.

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 09:20

I get the impression the op is posting - trying to process the relationship.

But that wouldn't give some posters sufficient food for venom and keyboard warrior behaviour.

Op, could you get some counselling to process that relationship?

I would consider it predatory.

You probably also need counselling for the background that led to the issues you mentioned.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 02/04/2025 09:24

@StrawberryDream24 is that true about older fathers and their children's health issues?

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 09:26

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 02/04/2025 09:24

@StrawberryDream24 is that true about older fathers and their children's health issues?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201304/older-fathers-autism-and-schizophrenia

This is just one article I found with a quick search; there are loads of them if you have a look online.

Older Fathers, Autism and Schizophrenia

A review of risk factors for autism and schizophrenia endorses the predictions and findings of the imprinted brain theory in just about every respect.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201304/older-fathers-autism-and-schizophrenia

Comedycook · 02/04/2025 09:28

I think it's unfair to criticise the op for sleeping with a married man...he was the one who was married and breaking his marriage vows....she was only 19 and whilst it's not illegal, it's certainly an unbalanced 'relationship'.

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 09:29

It's not clear cut, there's still debate; they think it could be the generic material (sperm) but could also be inheritance (linked to men with disorders tending to have kids older on average).

YourBestFriend · 02/04/2025 09:31

You were young and you did something a bit silly but I would not lose sleep over it. You had some fun and nobody was hurt so all is good.
I would not reply to him now though.

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 09:32

Comedycook · 02/04/2025 09:28

I think it's unfair to criticise the op for sleeping with a married man...he was the one who was married and breaking his marriage vows....she was only 19 and whilst it's not illegal, it's certainly an unbalanced 'relationship'.

My bestie at school would have been almost 19 by the time we finished 6th year. Still a school girl etc.

A 19 yr old wouldn't be allowed in bars or to drink in many places in the US.

I agree wholeheartedly.

A lot of ridiculous posts on these threads.

He's a predator.

AgathaX · 02/04/2025 09:35

Why have you started another thread on this. The answers aren't going to be any different.
You feel for the oldest lines in the book then. You knowingly slept with a married man, in his wife's bed. Are you so gullible and vile that you'd consider doing it again?

WeNeverGoOutOfStyle · 02/04/2025 09:41

I suggest people read the op’s other threads about this. She loved shagging him in his wife’s bed. She says she knew exactly what she was doing, and that she felt in control, loved making him jealous too. She’s as vile as he is and not some innocent little girl.

QueefQueen80s · 02/04/2025 09:51

WeNeverGoOutOfStyle · 02/04/2025 09:41

I suggest people read the op’s other threads about this. She loved shagging him in his wife’s bed. She says she knew exactly what she was doing, and that she felt in control, loved making him jealous too. She’s as vile as he is and not some innocent little girl.

Edited

Fucking gross. There’s something very mentally wrong with women who love stealing other womens men. Plenty of single men about. And the age gap is disgusting.

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 10:28

AgathaX · 02/04/2025 09:35

Why have you started another thread on this. The answers aren't going to be any different.
You feel for the oldest lines in the book then. You knowingly slept with a married man, in his wife's bed. Are you so gullible and vile that you'd consider doing it again?

She's asking a different question.

If you weren't getting such venomous enjoyment verbally beating up a young woman who was a teenager when this happened (of course she fell for his lines, older women than her fall for those lines every day of the week!!) you'd perhaps have realised that.

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 10:30

women who love stealing other womens men

There's no such thing as stealing other women's men.

They aren't inanimate objects.

They have agency.

39 and a serial cheat ..... With a teenager.

He didn't need stolen.

He's scummy, creepy and a predator.

Calliecarpa · 02/04/2025 10:34

Comedycook · 02/04/2025 09:28

I think it's unfair to criticise the op for sleeping with a married man...he was the one who was married and breaking his marriage vows....she was only 19 and whilst it's not illegal, it's certainly an unbalanced 'relationship'.

Of course it's fair to criticise the OP (though the married man is much more to blame). She said in her other thread that she slept with him for 3 years and often went to his house when his wife wasn't there and had sex with him in the marital bed. That's just grim, and she carried on doing it until she was in her 20s, so she can't blame everything on being 'only 19'.

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 10:37

Calliecarpa · 02/04/2025 10:34

Of course it's fair to criticise the OP (though the married man is much more to blame). She said in her other thread that she slept with him for 3 years and often went to his house when his wife wasn't there and had sex with him in the marital bed. That's just grim, and she carried on doing it until she was in her 20s, so she can't blame everything on being 'only 19'.

She thought they weren't really together and his wife had someone else too.

She believed him about that - because she was 19/20.

(Oh and your brain etc doesn't magically mature within 2 years between 19 and 21).

And plenty of women older than her believe stories like that. Plenty of women spend decades believing stories like that and being attached by emotion, investment and oxytocin.

A married men who cheats serially doesn't get partner after partner because he's bad at lying!

He's clearly quite good at it.

And he picks his targets well.

Ddakji · 02/04/2025 10:38

Didn’t you post about this the other day because this fella has got back in touch?

Of course it was wrong but I can see at ages 19 you’re not necessarily going to realise exactly what you (and more importantly the man) did that was so bad.

TryForSpring · 02/04/2025 10:41

You were advised that he was a predatory creep on your other thread.

Calliecarpa · 02/04/2025 10:43

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 10:37

She thought they weren't really together and his wife had someone else too.

She believed him about that - because she was 19/20.

(Oh and your brain etc doesn't magically mature within 2 years between 19 and 21).

And plenty of women older than her believe stories like that. Plenty of women spend decades believing stories like that and being attached by emotion, investment and oxytocin.

A married men who cheats serially doesn't get partner after partner because he's bad at lying!

He's clearly quite good at it.

And he picks his targets well.

Edited

Yes, I know. As I've already stated here, he's a revolting, cheating predator with a talent for manipulation who lied to a woman half his age. He's the scum of the earth. My concern is that in the OP's other thread, she still - at the age of 25 - seems to believe his lies and was very close recently to responding to his messages and perhaps getting back together with him. And that she still, years later, doesn't seem to fully grasp what a horrible thing it is to do to an innocent woman and a child.

Rooroobear · 02/04/2025 10:44

You posted this the other day but said he’d got back in touch? Why this thread now??

StrawberryDream24 · 02/04/2025 12:27

Rooroobear · 02/04/2025 10:44

You posted this the other day but said he’d got back in touch? Why this thread now??

Edited

She is asking what people think about the age gap in the "relationship" back then?

Because that issue cropped up within/as a result of the main subject.

Personally I think she's realising the extent of the predation on his behalf.

I can only imagine what my child's father would do if a 39 yr old married man got involved with her at 19 years old. I'd have to hide the shot guns, that's for sure.

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