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My son (18) has become angry and bitter

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ForLimeScroller · 27/02/2025 09:56

My son (18) is finishing his A levels this year and is going to university next year. He is incredibly angry and bitter at his life and I’d like some advice on what to say to him. He is going to do a physics degree and always found academics quite easy and was always described as very intelligent or sometimes a “genius”.
He has very mild autism and was often teased when he was younger he was called things like “spastic” and “retarded” and was told he has an “extra chromosome” although it is important to note he is not intellectually disabled in any meaningful way and no one would genuinely believe he was when speaking to him.
He is bitter he never had a high school girlfriend although I know he has “pulled girls” in house parties and more recently nightclubs. He has become incredibly bitter, and he has started looking at things online that are not good for him. People like Andrew tate ad other alpha male influencers. He started telling me about things like the “blackpill and redpill” which are dating ideologies he found online. They basically say the conventional dating advice of just be kind and the right girl will come are wrong and the only way to attract women is by working extremely hard at it and constantly obsessing over self-improvement. He seems to believe he was dealt a bad hand in life and has become obsessed with self-improvement in order to be able to “pull women” and becoming one of the top 1% of men. He looks up to and admires people such as Andrew Tate and aspires to become like them. He seems to believe he is currently treated like a “sub human” and has become obsessed with self-improvement and something called “looksmaxing” to an unhealthy degree. Very often on the weekend he goes to nightclubs where his sole objective is to find a girl to take home with him so he believes can finally ascend out of subhuman status although I don’t believe he has managed this yet.
He is so obsessed with this he has spent over £50 of my money paying people online to rate his face out of 10. They sent him a long technical document filled with ratios and measurements of his face which resembles something I would read in my career as an engineer. They also gave him a final rating of a 4.5 out of 10 or slightly below average. One of them told him “Your face is common but you will be seen as slightly below average or plain looking”. Another told him you are a 4/10 but you have potential to looksmax to a 6 and the primary advice was to keep going to the gym to slim down to 12% bodyfat and get a 6 pack. Another thing he did online is he went onto a livestream of one of these alpha males influencers and asked for looksmaxing advice and asked him to rate him out of 10. This influencer online insulted him and told him he looked like he had been through a midlife crisis and that he had man boobs and a gut. However he then rated him a 6/10 and said his face looked good and there was nothing wrong with it. This seemed to please him greatly as it seemed to give him hope that he has the genetic potential to “save himself” and manage to ascend to the top 1% of men. When my son told the influencer but a 6 out of 10 is average the influencer told my son women don’t want average they only want the best men. I think this is a harmful message as it further cemented his belief how he is is not good enough and made worse his constant need to self improve.
He seems to believe that average men in western society he is treated extremely poorly and he told him girls see him like he would see “dog shit on the street”. He also believes that the top 1% of men have a quality of life 100x better and he has made it his life goal to reach the top 1% of attractiveness.
He has often tried to change his personality to attract women. His voice is quite flat and monotone and I have noticed a conscious effort to change this around women where he would try to vary the pitch of his voice. He was also told he was socially akward and compared to “AI” or “Chat GTP” in another instance of people taking the piss out of him. This seems to really upset him and I can see how much effort he puts in trying to “fix his personality” to be more attractive to women.
I would really appreciate some advice on what to say to him so that his mental health can improve when he starts university next year and how he can learn to accept himself how he is instead of constantly seeing himself as defective and trying to fix himself into what he sees as the ideal in order to attract women.

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user1471471849 · 27/02/2025 21:54

The poor guy. My heart goes out to him. I know the types of online things he must be seeng as I'm vaguely aware of that mentality of guys being told that girls only for the the top 1%. This is rubbish. There is a theory that 'all women' think they deserve the top type of guy (high earner, good looking etc) but these women they refer to are usually young clueless Americans in the videos I've seen and the women themselves come off looking badly because they just seem to expect everything without bringing anything to the table. None of this is realistic or how most women actually think. but I can see how he might be swayed into thinking that's really how the dating scene is.
Could you try persuade him that women actually want someone nice and kind and the best way to attract someone is to just be yourself and the right person will like you for who you are.

All that social media stuff is not real and is giving him a slanted view of how men should be.

Are there any other male role models he could look to who might inspire him? Maybe someone who's achieved something in his life that he would like to achieve and just forget about girls for the moment? Someone he admires in physics or a philanthropy or sports? People who are actually making a difference in the world for the good? He needs to find some decent heroes to be inspired by. or some greater cause or charity to distract him from his own thoughts about himself.
I hope this helps. This is what I'd tell my son anyway.

MegaSharkx · 28/02/2025 11:16

I would like to suggest, best place to meet new people of all genders & ages
This is for when he is at University & before & after

Volunteer
Part time job & full time job in the holidays
Join hobby groups at University
Do a sport or some form of exercise
Raise money for charities
Travel
Be kind to animals & people

He needs to build friendships first & learn about respect of others

What is he offering as a person from his side as a friend ? As an employee ? As a student ?

MegaSharkx · 28/02/2025 11:18

Things seen on the Internet are not the same as real life !

ElleintheWoods · 28/02/2025 11:30

This makes me so sad.

I work a lot with these types of men when they are older, including some really personal conversations, and some of it does break my heart from time to time. I wish people would just get offline and interact with real women/men but we can’t turn back the clock.

He seems like a very intelligent young man (with his academics, so clearly able to understand critical thought, proof etc). Thus he would hopefully be open to another type of intelligent discourse, being exposed to the right sources.

Caitlin Moran has a good book on the subject - for yourself, I’d read that and watch some online panels to understand that male radicalisation a bit more, what battles young men experience in the current climate, and how to gently guide them away from that toxic path.

NormasArse · 28/02/2025 11:39

Can you get him involved in any outdoor activities? Stuff to get him out of his comfort zone. IME it helps with the overthinking; gives increased confidence, and it’s a really good way to meet nice people who aren’t focused on looks (like in a nightclub).

NormasArse · 28/02/2025 11:41

crackofdoom · 27/02/2025 14:43

There are various men online who debunk this kind of nonsense. Cyzor is one who sometimes pops up on my feed- he's a fairly nice looking guy who works out (and gets a LOT of thirsty comments from women!), but he pulls apart the content of the incels and makes the point that the most important thing in attracting women is being a nice person and treating them like human beings.

And look into this guy too- he sounds good.

Pootlemcsmootle · 28/02/2025 11:48

F##k the poor guy, this is bloody horrible. It's turning him into a man who treats women horribly too.

Please tell him he's experiencing negging in all it's true glory - being told he's shit and ugly as a means to make him come back for more abuse, to put him down (so other losers feel better about themselves) and to buy into all this nasty crap online. He sounds like he's fixated and got into a bit of a cult like environment.

I'm not sure what the solution is other than to also keep telling him women aren't pieces of meat to 'pull', that he's always going to be spoken horribly to on those forums and to get offline immediately (yes I know he probably won't).

You have my sympathy OP.

spoodlesee · 28/02/2025 11:49

Take him out & people watch. Look at all the average people out there coupled up, living their lives etc.

spoodlesee · 28/02/2025 11:51

This looks obsession is so damaging, all the young girls I know think they won't find a boyfriend unless they look like an insta model.

MegaSharkx · 28/02/2025 11:54

Does your son work ?

MegaSharkx · 28/02/2025 12:15

Dr Robert Waldinger - happiness study

Plus look at alternate ways of living
Living off grid
Van life
Living in the wild
Communal living
Kibbutz
Helping others
Ben Fogel programmes meeting people
Dragons Den entrepreneurs
Forest bathing
Nature connection

waterrat · 28/02/2025 12:19

he sounds very impacted by his autism. I would not think of it as mild (dno't believe in 'mild ' autism - yes he is verbal, intellectual but clearly not emotionally intelligent etc

he clearly lacks social skills or sadly the ability to see women as equals/ as humans like him!

(btw my daughter is 'high functioningn autistic - so what I see / hear a lot is a child / young person who in surface ways is 'normal' but dangerously often is misunderstanding social situations.

Your son needs help and my heart goes out to you - this is tough. Iw ould look for counselling with someone who udnerstands autism.

atthepinkponyclub · 28/02/2025 12:31

That’s tough. I really think autistic men, particularly those with so-called ‘mild’ autism, are very vulnerable to all the Andrew Tate shite

Peripop · 28/02/2025 13:04

The irony being that andrew tate is fucking gross inside and out :/ i wouldnt touch the guy with a BARGE pole, prefer my short, chubby kind hearted DP! I really hope you can somehow swerve your son onto some positive male role models who debunk the alpha shiz. Maybe try the YT channel broncs and donks - real guys doing real things unselfconsciously. Not obsessing over looks and women and money. The excitement might infect him?

Treeinthesky · 28/02/2025 14:39

I watched the BBC iplayed on andrew tate yesterday and I am so sad about what he is doing to these men and then what they are doing to us women. It's truly horrific and then I am more upset that they are now in the us!

EnchantedForestNearTheRiver · 28/02/2025 14:47

This attitude from men has been around forever, way before Tate. I knew men like this in my teens.

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