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Navigating Red Flags

55 replies

PandaBear97 · 24/02/2025 18:18

Okay yall, so we listening and not judging, right? A bit of background : I am 27F , my partner is 30M and we have been together for 8 years now, he has not proposed yet but he indicates he is on the verge very soon. Ok boom, so I did the exact opposite of common sense advice and I … didn’t “ignore” red flags in my relationship, but definitely did not take head to them either . I did not have proper boundaries and self care systems in place to properly protect myself from being negatively impacted by the effects of such red flags. So here I am 2 (+1 on the way) kids later dealing with a massive brain fuck. I convinced myself that as long as I am aware of the red flags in my relationship from the beginning we can address them and move on someday in the future. Little did I know the whole time I was taking slaps to the face and turning the other cheek I was also changing the way I value myself. My value started to depend on his approval and i didn’t even realize it for the longest but all the negative thoughts I had about myself and my shortcomings stemmed from his opinions that they made me less of a good wife and that I am not as committed to him as he is to me since I struggle to be intentional about him. (Giving myself grace though because admittedly he was not exuding the kind of energy that demanded the type of compassion he sought (his anger and trust issues were very difficult to overlook and still feel connected) .. okay, so this is all the red flags I have notice:

🚩easily angered
🚩insecure about cheating
🚩 not trusting my truth
🚩flirting with girls on social media— going as far as messaging old flings telling them he wish things were different and even suggesting to come by to cuddle/mess around with several females
🚩when confronted about disloyal messages he was stating it would stop, yet it never stopped
🚩 cheating “scandal” while pregnant with first child , allegedly another girl had his baby
🚩inability to comprehend/ support mental health needs, laughing when I talked about it
🚩getting an std and being confronted about me cheating knowing he was the one cheating (gas lighting in its prime)
🚩finding out he got ANOTHER girl pregnant and had been having an affair over course of past couple years with her although he said he cut her off after I found messages between them in past
🚩lying to my face when asking if he spoken to / seen any of the girls I caught him cheating with
🚩 believing that women should get an abortion when father is not ready to take responsibility for his mistakes
🚩 doesn’t take time to read bible / pray together
🚩gets defensive when I speak about my feelings
🚩does not have a unified approach to problem solving, meaning he thinks I should only be concerned about maintaining the house and kids and my own business and stay out of his business and financial plans , which leaves a lot of room for division in relationship
🚩telling me if I was better at taking care of home and being intimate with him then he wouldn’t have felt drawn away from us (prime blame shifting excuse)

My red flags are that I am a people pleaser, socially awkward (very timid in social settings that demand self confidence), lack discipline and I have mismanaged ADHD symptoms (which is vicariously infecting his mental capacity to manage everything going on).. might have more but that’s the main things I feel contribute to my lack of relationship success.

I know it is A LOT OF BULLSHIT !! But … I really still have faith that choosing to love through hell or high water can revive our relationship so we can start over new and can be happily married knowing we sorted through all of our issues together and can confidently say we trust the others ability to love and support unconditionally and be happy with the husband/wife we become.

I know most people would say just leave the man and find someone to treat me right the first time around… but The Advice I seek is more along the lines how do I go about setting boundaries for myself to address problems like those listed above, and how can I stand on those boundaries without being offensive? I understand that how he reacts to my new boundaries is going to determine the future of our relationship but the boundaries need to be set in place because our current operations are going to run us both crazy.

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TheBossOfMe · 24/02/2025 18:25

He sounds absolutely awful and I guarantee your life will be significantly happier and more stable away from him.

TheBossOfMe · 24/02/2025 18:26

And I’m not usually a LTB kind of poster.

YesHonestly · 24/02/2025 18:27

He will never, ever change.

Leave and find someone who deserves you because this poor excuse for a man is not it.

pictoosh · 24/02/2025 18:28

😱

ScreamingBeans · 24/02/2025 18:29

2 things you need to do:

  1. Get a job. He's going to leave you to bring up your kids by yourself. You need to be able to earn your own living.
  2. Get counselling. You need to find out why your self esteem was so low that you settled for this terrible man.
Eyesopenwideawake · 24/02/2025 18:29

Thoughts and prayers.

Magnalux · 24/02/2025 18:34

That’s some prince you’ve got there!!! You may be choosing to love through hell or high water.. he is not. He will do what he wants when he wants. If your friend/future daughter came to you with this problem would you seriously advise them to stay and put up with this?? You need to look at why you’ve put up with this for 8 years. You can’t fix him, think about your future happiness because it’s not with this awful man

pictoosh · 24/02/2025 18:43

"I really still have faith that choosing to love through hell or high water can revive our relationship so we can start over new and can be happily married knowing we sorted through all of our issues together and can confidently say we trust the others ability to love and support unconditionally and be happy with the husband/wife we become."

I don't know you so I can't define you. But I've got to say that sounds completely pie in the sky to me. I'm nearly 50 though. My perspective is different to yours.

What you've had is what you'll get, no matter how hard you try.

OneLilacPeer · 24/02/2025 18:51

You cannot change him by changing yourself. He is repeatedly showing that he is not going to change. The boundary you need to set is kicking him out of your life (and the lives of your children, if possible!).

StrawberryDream24 · 24/02/2025 18:53

so we listening and not judging, right?

Judgement is not always a negative thing.

Judgement is sometimes a positive thing, a wise thing, a necessary thing.

And I'm not judging you.

I am, however, judging, him.

Msmoonpie · 24/02/2025 18:54

Genuinely you need help.

What happened in your life that you are so …I don’t even know how to phrase this without insulting you but at best naive that you would put up with any of your red flags / let along all of them.

You need to speak to a therapist yesterday.

StrawberryDream24 · 24/02/2025 18:57

You don't navigate red flags; you pay attention to them and act accordingly
. If there are enough of them and they are serious, you walk away and find another partner.

You are 27.

I wouldn't advise a woman of any age to stay in a relationship with this specimen, but at only 27 ...with good scope to meet someone else and get to know them before marriage and children.

Starlia · 24/02/2025 18:57

You do need to set some boundaries but this sort of awful man won’t care. The only sensible boundary is to leave.

When somebody show you who they are, believe them. He has shown you, time after time, who he really is. Time to start believing him.

What is your financial situation like? Do you have a support network?

StrawberryDream24 · 24/02/2025 19:06

… I really still have faith that choosing to love through hell or high water can revive our relationship so we can start over new and can be happily married knowing we sorted through all of our issues together ..

You have loved him and been committed to him and bore his children and looked after his home for years. ..... Yet he has cheated on you, infected you with stds, impregnated another woman, been unsympathetic and unsupportive of MH issues (and no wonder you had MH issues, partnering THAT) ..... What makes you think he'll change??

What makes you think you can love him out of his personality, his values, his beliefs, his flaws??

He has low integrity.

He is dishonest.

He is irresponsible.

He has double standards.

He wants you to be subservient .... So he has power and you have none.

You talk about praying together or reading the bible together....he's already broken every biblical rule towards his partner/mother of his child.

Has he cherished you? The opposite.

You cannot change him, you cannot contol him. You cannot make him something he is not. You can't control another person's behaviour (or the values that lie beneath it).

To believe so is delusional and egotistical.

You can leave him and try to have a happy life.

Or you can continue being abused by him. And living this life which no-one should be living.

If you were my daughter, I'd kill him and let you think he'd left the country. I'm not even fully joking

He's a disgrace to the name of nan.

StrawberryDream24 · 24/02/2025 19:07

StrawberryDream24 · 24/02/2025 18:57

You don't navigate red flags; you pay attention to them and act accordingly
. If there are enough of them and they are serious, you walk away and find another partner.

You are 27.

I wouldn't advise a woman of any age to stay in a relationship with this specimen, but at only 27 ...with good scope to meet someone else and get to know them before marriage and children.

Sorry I saw you already have children after I wrote that.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 24/02/2025 19:09

Seriously, what?? Is this a joke post?

category12 · 24/02/2025 19:09

Those aren't red flags. Red flags are warnings of potential problems.

What you have there are right there up in your face, dealbreaking, major relationship problems.

Like him cheating on you and getting someone else pregnant is not a red flag, it's a massive sledgehammer to the relationship. Or should be.

StrawberryDream24 · 24/02/2025 19:13

I think you need to read the book "Women who love too much".

You really seem to believe you love a turd into becoming a prince.

He's no prince, never has been, never will be.

He's a controlling,, cheating, std spreading, double standards, hypocritical, unkind, irresponsible, shitty "man".

He believes men have the right to unprotected sex and to expect/coerce women into abortions.

How terribly surprising.

Why are you talking about praying and reading the bible with a man who feels it's ok to expect/coerce women into abortioning fetuses? A man who essentially adulters. Who endangers his partner and mother of his kids health (STDs are hardly good for your health, even if they can be treated), who endangers his unborn children's health (STDs can cause miscarriages and fetal abnormalities). Who lies.

Is he a Christian man, a good man? He sounds like a sociopath and he will never be a true Christian.

You can escape him and build a better life.

That's your only chance of a good life

He's morally bankrupt.

He has zero respect for women.

(Not just you.
Look at his behaviour to his side pieces. Look at his attitudes).

StrawberryDream24 · 24/02/2025 19:20

category12 · 24/02/2025 19:09

Those aren't red flags. Red flags are warnings of potential problems.

What you have there are right there up in your face, dealbreaking, major relationship problems.

Like him cheating on you and getting someone else pregnant is not a red flag, it's a massive sledgehammer to the relationship. Or should be.

Yep, there's aren't red flags.

These are DEAL BREAKERS.

You probably don't want to be a single Mum. Well unfortunately, it happens. You're far from the first and you'll be far from the last. You won't be exceptional, far from it.

The relationship is not an example you should be setting for kids.

It's abuse.

Cheating is abuse.

Jealousy (esp when you're a cheater is abuse).

Gas lighting is abuse.

Trying to prevent you from having any knowledge or agency or control over finances etc is abuse.

Infecting you with stds is abuse.

You cannot be the best, happiest, most confident, most stable mother to your precious kids while being subjected to this. You can your utmost but you can't. Noone could.

He's a misery creator, a stress creator.

You need to look into how you can manage financially and GET RID OF HIM.

This is not the behaviour of a decent man.

TwistedWonder · 24/02/2025 19:24

I don’t think I’m being harsh OP when I say this man is an absolutely disgusting, repulsive, lying, cheating, manipulative, abusive piece of shit cunt.

I read about some horror partners on MN but this one takes the gold medal as the biggest arsehole ever to have a thread on MN and yet you want to make things work with someone who basically despises you, has zero respect for you and pretty thinks you’re worthless

What on earth has happened in your life to make you tolerate this despicable sub human creature?

Please please please seek therapy and get as far away from this beast as possible. He is truly repulsive

StrawberryDream24 · 24/02/2025 19:24

we sorted through all of our issues together

You don't have issues together.

Unless you're about to tell us you cheated on him,with multiple guys, infected him with an std, got knocked up by another man while with him, lied about it all, told him he's the one who cheated and brought the std into your relationship, gave him zero sympathy or support about any MH problems, told him to butt his nose out of finances and that it's not of his business, lied some more .....

But you didn't.

So you don't have issues together.

He's been mistreating and abusing you.

That is all.

BobbyBiscuits · 24/02/2025 19:24

I've only ever had one relationship where I was in love, or even really liking the person that much in a deep and meaningful way.
The ones before were just untold red flags waving around the place like a fucking chairman mao appreciation rally. But I just didn't know any different and didn't want to be alone.

Maitri108 · 24/02/2025 19:25

we have been together for 8 years now, he has not proposed yet but he indicates he is on the verge very soon

He's not going to marry you.

He's emotionally abusing you and a serial cheat. He risked your health by having unprotected sex and he got other women pregnant.

You come across as delusional. You want him to read the bible more yet you're not married and he cheats. You're shocked he believes in abortion.

You have an idea of a man in your head and that's not the man you married. Get an STD test and wake up.

TwistedWonder · 24/02/2025 19:27

I know most people would say just leave the man and find someone to treat me right the first time around

No most people would say leave him and stay as far away from men as possible u til you’ve had therapy to understand why your bar for a relationship isn’t just low, it’s subterranean.

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