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February 2025 Well we took you to Stately Homes

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2025 12:07

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Twatalert · 21/04/2025 16:15

@EvolvedAlready I'm so sorry. I'm only just recovering from some mild intrusion by my mother, so am not surprised you are shaken.

Some advice I can give: asking her to stop popping around, leaving stuff etc is not a boundary. A boundary is how you respond when she does that. E.g. she leaves stuff, but you choose not to accept it and bin it instead..or if she shows up you won't open the door etc. it will give her a little less power because she can't think 'ha, I'm totally ignoring her request and will pop over to piss her off'.

Of course we can't do that without still going through some emotional turmoil..it's your nervous system ringing all alarm bells. If you can't gain any more physical distance from them try and find ways to calm your nervous system and help you make you feel safe again.

I was recently gifted a large amount of money from my parents via my brother. Like you I wanted to go tell them 'do not send anything' but people here rightfully advised that I do nothing and ignore. It was the absolute best as I regained my peace very quickly.

Remember that your mother will NEVER honour your requests for no visits, no gifts etc. It's best to stop trying.

TrainTicket · 21/04/2025 16:27

@EvolvedAlready Both mine and DHs family are like this. It can feel so unsettling and puts a black cloud over special occasions, waiting for them to inevitably show up.

The best thing you can do for yourself is get a security camera/ring doorbell and never answer the door to her again. When we put a security camera up the doorstep visits/tantrums diminished to nothing. As soon as they realise they are being filmed and run the risk of being found out for their harassing behaviour, funnily enough they soon stop doing it. Because they are bullies and enjoy trampling over boundaries, but they don’t want others to see how unreasonable they actually are.

Your sibling texting the word “evil” is his way of trying to get into your head to manipulate you into doing what the Head Narc wants, to make you doubt yourself. I would block his number now.

Happyfarm · 21/04/2025 18:52

I was going to say that verbal boundaries don’t mean much to them, court ordered boundaries mean very little to them either. They do want they want when they want. We just have to learn to let it go quicker and easier so that we don’t ruin our special occasions with our own emotions. It’s how the little fuckers get to us. I remember it being said that effectively they have us abusing ourselves and can continue this even when the relationship has physically ended. Narcs exist outside of the relationship, they are in their own universe. They will use anyone and anything and any occasion.

Dogaredabomb · 21/04/2025 21:33

Happyfarm · 21/04/2025 18:52

I was going to say that verbal boundaries don’t mean much to them, court ordered boundaries mean very little to them either. They do want they want when they want. We just have to learn to let it go quicker and easier so that we don’t ruin our special occasions with our own emotions. It’s how the little fuckers get to us. I remember it being said that effectively they have us abusing ourselves and can continue this even when the relationship has physically ended. Narcs exist outside of the relationship, they are in their own universe. They will use anyone and anything and any occasion.

That is so true! So well put.

Spendysis · 21/04/2025 23:00

@Happyfarm well put.
I have been on my own today and I am feeling quite down and anxious. Just thinking how we previously would of spent Easter dm would do an egg hunt for my dc at her house dsis would of gone round to watch them and we all would of had lunch together now I don't know if dm is even alive i presume she is but i don't know if I will even be told when she dies

I got a bit like this on Mother's Day and dm birthday a few days afterwards. I really wish i could just forget about them and not let it affect me

Spendysis · 21/04/2025 23:21

I've just been zoned out in front of the tv all day the weather was miserable no point in contacting friends they would have all been with their family. I do have dh and dc but dh was in bed as he works nights ds was out with his gf and dd lives with her bf now no point in telling dd how I was feeling as she's recently been off work with anxiety and has only just gone back after 4 weeks and is now stressing over money and her car has died

I am now annoyed with myself for wasting my day off and allowing them to get to me and affect my mood

Dogaredabomb · 21/04/2025 23:33

I'm sorry you've had a sad day spendysis, you're doing your best in a sad situation. Think of it as a day that you rested and had a good telly watching session instead of a failure.

Spendysis · 22/04/2025 00:13

@Dogaredabomb thank you for your kind words. I now can't sleep and am on the early shift at work tomorrow morning thankfully working from home but it will be busy

I am not really angry at dsis anymore I accept opg are useless and she will get away with it I accept I won't be getting any inheritance and although it was hard to accept dm part in all this I just want closure peace to move on but then days like today just set me back I over think I think of how things used to be I think of how unfair everything is and overthink things like will I be told when dm dies what if dsis goes first she in crap health also what would I do about dm

Dh is understanding he says just forget about them we don't need them they have forgotten about us but they were my family he has his family well the ones who are left they are close but not as close as we were to dsis and his db didn't do this and would never do this to him

SamAndAnnie · 22/04/2025 01:47

It's hard grieving the loss of people who are still alive spendysis.

Dogaredabomb · 22/04/2025 04:39

I think you're in in unusual (to us) situation spendysis in that you did have a happy childhood and it just turned to shit latterly. In a way it must be harder. I can happily chuck (physically and metaphorically) everything in the bin and think good riddance whereas yours is much more nuanced. Maybe more like a happy marriage that went sour after many years. Time will heal ♥️

Happyfarm · 22/04/2025 07:12

Over Easter instead of being sad, looking at all my social media of friends with their families having Easter lunch etc etc. I booked us a weekend away so we had too much fun to worry about them. Partners bro came over yesterday and gave us the low down of the eater with the in laws and in return we had some fabulous funny stories from the weekend camping. Sod them all!

Happyfarm · 22/04/2025 07:48

You really notice what is normal and what is not when you in the world. We met a couple of lovely grandparents camping with their grandchildren and loving their company. You notice it’s not normal that ours have no relationship at all. I’m so use to defending them and I’ve stopped. One lady asked me if ours go away with grandparents and I said no unfortunately they aren’t interested in our kids. They have a motorhome but never taken anyone away.

MotherIssues2025 · 22/04/2025 08:42

Hi all,

I’ve been directed this way after starting a thread in AIBU about my mother…..which started off as me having a general moan about my mum’s latest tantrum to then developing into the realisation of having a long running abusive relationship with her, and also learning about abuse she suffered as a child too.

II’m currently feeling very emotionally drained after a tough day yesterday and when I was writing on the thread about how I was planning on looking for books that may be helpful that’s when I was directed here.

I’m going to back at look at some of the other messages in this thread but I just wanted to say hello.

flapjackfairy · 22/04/2025 09:42

MotherIssues2025 · 22/04/2025 08:42

Hi all,

I’ve been directed this way after starting a thread in AIBU about my mother…..which started off as me having a general moan about my mum’s latest tantrum to then developing into the realisation of having a long running abusive relationship with her, and also learning about abuse she suffered as a child too.

II’m currently feeling very emotionally drained after a tough day yesterday and when I was writing on the thread about how I was planning on looking for books that may be helpful that’s when I was directed here.

I’m going to back at look at some of the other messages in this thread but I just wanted to say hello.

Hi @MotherIssues2025
Welcome aboard. Hopefully you will find the support and understanding you need here to help you process things x

Twatalert · 22/04/2025 10:32

For a few years prior to me going NC every visit at my parents felt like I had been to another planet. An awful planet. I had already lived abroad many years, so got used to more normal ways. I just couldn't do it anymore. I didn't fit in with their ways and I couldn't just keep my mouth shut. Every visit required me to become someone else and you could never say a word or you'd start WW3. And then I would need to recover from every visit. Then one day I said it and all hell broke loose. They tried to shut me down again and I knew in that moment that I was done. I sobbed for hours and they just watched along and continued about their day, thought they'd say a normal goodbye. But I was done. I cried the whole flight home and tbh I cried for two years before I was okay again.

Me sitting there in tears and them just ignoring me was so bizzare. This was exactly what they were like with me as a child but I could never see it. I thought it was normal. I would sob during dinner after one of my mothers mistreatments of me and they would all ignore me and just have their dinner.

MotherIssues2025 · 22/04/2025 10:46

Me sitting there in tears and them just ignoring me was so bizzare. This was exactly what they were like with me as a child but I could never see it. I thought it was normal. I would sob during dinner after one of my mothers mistreatments of me and they would all ignore me and just have their dinner.

I can sympathise with that. Only my mum though. My parents separated when I was two and my dad was a totally normal loving parent to me and my sister as we grew up, whereas life at home with our mum was hell.

Twatalert · 22/04/2025 11:04

@MotherIssues2025 I'm sorry this happened to you, too. It must have been so confusing to swing between your mother and your father when they were so different. I see my father as an enabler. I wonder if I would have a different opinion had he left my mother. As a child I always wondered whom I would want to live with should my parents separate.

MotherIssues2025 · 22/04/2025 12:12

Twatalert · 22/04/2025 11:04

@MotherIssues2025 I'm sorry this happened to you, too. It must have been so confusing to swing between your mother and your father when they were so different. I see my father as an enabler. I wonder if I would have a different opinion had he left my mother. As a child I always wondered whom I would want to live with should my parents separate.

My mum walked out my dad when I was 2, and left me and my sister with him. We saw her occasionally but we didn’t actually live with her for 3 years. It was when me and my sister were returned her that the abusive behaviour began. My dad has no idea what our childlike was like because ne and my sister were groomed to believe it was all normal and I’ve never spoken to him about it. You’re right though, it must have been very confusing for me and my sister. My husband thinks I should talk to my dad about it but ok not ready to do that yet. It was only yesterday that I learnt the true extent of what my childhood was like and I think I need to process it all first.

Twatalert · 22/04/2025 12:34

@MotherIssues2025 Take your time to process it all. I don't know if we can ever fully process. It's difficult but I think it leads to a better life to recognise how our childhood truly was, how it shaped us and what we can do to make today's life better for us. Well done on facing the truth!

Happyfarm · 22/04/2025 13:49

I would also seek some support when you are uncovering the truth as it’s can be very traumatic to learn what you’ve normalised. Sometimes it’s just unhealthy behaviours but it can also be very scary experiences that can re-traumatise you.

CheekySnake · 22/04/2025 15:00

@EvolvedAlready I'm sorry you've had such a difficult time and that your family have come in to cause upset over easter. I agree with the others who have said block if and where you can. But I also wanted to say something about boundaries. The key thing is that they're not for other people, they're for you. We've got no control over what other people do, unfortunately. It's a hard thing to accept. You cannot stop your mother from dropping off gifts for your children no matter how much you want to. But what you can do is put a rule in for yourself that you don't respond if she does. The problem with responding is that you're then sitting on pins waiting to see if they reply. Constant tension, adrenaline pumping, trapped in fight or flight, and it can go on for days, weeks even. This isn't good for us. The power comes when you make the decision not to get involved. Just do nothing. The NC rule is for you - the only person you need to respect it is you. x.

@Spendysis I found out that my estranged parent had died because I used to google their name every few months. If it's important, there are ways to find out without being told (no-one reached out to tell me - I suspect if I hadn't looked for myself, no-one would have).

@Twatalert I feel like that in the lead up to visits. A week of pain flare ups and illness beforehand, and a week exhausted and broken hearted afterwards. It sucks.

I had a bit of a meltdown over the weekend for some reason (it seemed to have been brought about by my brain chewing through some childhood stuff, and realised that there's a lot of stuff in my relationship with my mother about what happened in my late teens and the time post the divorce). The marriage broke down b/c she met someone else and she went straight from one relationship to the other. I couldn't stop remembering how bloody smug she was, how pleased with herself, and that my role was (I realise now) support human. I was late teens, crippled with social anxiety, had spent years being told I was unattractive, was convinced I would never have a boyfriend, and my mother was buying miniskirts, high heels and tarty underwear and it's clear to me now that on some level she got pleasure out of feeling that men were more interested in her than in me. She liked that I was awkward and shy. I feel like I'm not explaining this very well. (In hindsight I've come to realise that attention from men is very very important to her). She was just so cruel to me. I can see that now.

zebrazoop · 23/04/2025 12:49

Hi all. Hope it’s ok to join.
I have all the feels today and struggling . I’m no contact with both my parents. One sexually abused me and the other enabled and protected another man who abused me . There was a big fall out from a police investigation which resulted in further no contact with the rest of the wider family. I’m the bad guy in all of this don’t you know 🙄🙄

i definitely feel it more over Easter/Christmas family events

Thelnebriati · 23/04/2025 12:54

Hugs @zebrazoop and welcome aboard.* *
Its amazing how many people who think of themselves as decent will turn on an abuse victim, when the abuser is someone they know.

Twatalert · 23/04/2025 12:54

@CheekySnake what pain flare ups have you got/what condition? I get these too where my whole body is aching. I thought its age (I'm not old) but I noticed the pain goes away and comes back around certain events/states of mind. It's quite recent - 3-4 years maybe, and I started to wonder if its psyochsomatic.

TrainTicket · 23/04/2025 14:10

Twatalert · 23/04/2025 12:54

@CheekySnake what pain flare ups have you got/what condition? I get these too where my whole body is aching. I thought its age (I'm not old) but I noticed the pain goes away and comes back around certain events/states of mind. It's quite recent - 3-4 years maybe, and I started to wonder if its psyochsomatic.

I get those aches too around certain events/when I’ve had to see family. I put it down to the tension in my body, like when people grind their teeth when they are stressed makes their jaws ache, I think I tense my body as a defence mechanism subconsciously like a hedgehog rolling in a ball, and then I ache.
I also have an autoimmune illness, but it’s not a flare of that, it’s different somehow.

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