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Please help me decipher this behaviour

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Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 10:22

I'm going to try and keep this brief but will probably fail. I'm really hoping for some kindness here as I'm really lonely, struggling and a mess at the moment.

I've been in a relationship for 9 years and we have a 4 year old child. It's an abusive relationship and it's been very, very hard. I'm currently having chest pains, feel sick, constant headaches and mouth ulcers. I also have high blood pressure.

He is a narcissist. I know this word gets thrown around, however he is textbook, 100%.
I know I need to leave, I have began saving money however I am not ready yet. I am trauma bonded. I have had therapy but honestly I'm not strong enough yet.

We have a cycle whereby I say/do something he doesn't like and he tries to control my behaviour with threats to leave/for me to leave. My poor behaviour may be asking him to help in the house because he's home all day, or being unhappy he's in the pub 4 nights a week. He used to threaten to leave and go to stay at his parents house, however when I stopped reacting he stopped with that threat. It then moved on to him telling me to work more, which I do; so he can't argue about that...although he sometimes tries. So his new one is saying I have to pay all the rent (in front of our child) or telling me I need to leave.
It's a cycle and he gets angry, threatens, I work harder and in a few days he's completely normal.

However things have not been right for nearly 2 weeks now. 2 weeks ago he was unhappy with me for saying something in front of a family member that he said made him look bad (everything is about appearance with him). He sent me a load of messages and that was that. Last Monday our estate agent came to do a house inspection. I decided to catch her outside and very quietly asked about our joint tenancy. I thought he was sue to start work but he wasn't and he was trying to listen and came outside when we were talking. When she left he was saying I bet you were asking about other houses, what were you talking to her about, I bet you were slagging me off, he was shouting. However he then went in the other room and didn't speak to me for 4 days.

He's now talking to me but things obviously aren't right. He's sleeping downstairs, spends all day in bed and goes to the pub most nights (he was there no day, weds, Thursday - couldn't go Tues I had plans). He drinks around 12 units of alcohol within a 2 hour period before even leaving the house.

What I am trying to work out is; are we even together? I would talk to him as that's the logical thing to do but he deflects, gaslights and gets angry. He's not said we aren't together but not sleeping in our room and no physical relationship. I can't work out if this is another one of his "punishments" so I tie myself in knots or if we are over. I also feel like he's taking advantage... Not officially ending it so I'm at home as back up, perception of a normal relationship, he can see child regularly and has a regular babysitter. He once said he liked it when we didn't talk because he could do what he wants without me nagging...he basically spends the day in bed, drinks most evenings and refuses to do anything in the house despite the fact he's home all day and I work full time.

Also, we have had no discussion about being separated and no conversation about child arrangements, house etc. He threats to stay in the 4 bed house we are renting but has always wanted to move back to where he grew up and goes there regularly. He owns his business and earns a lot more than me but has significantly reduced his hours, does around ab hour or 2 a day, so his yearly salary is around 45k.

I'm literally heartbroken and I'm trying to work out if we are even together or he's punishing me.

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NosyJosie · 31/01/2025 10:56

First of all, no judgement and big hugs to you. That is a very difficult situation.

You asking if you are together and the answer is NO because being together means respect, intimacy, trust and love. So no, you are not together. And not sure when you last were or ever were.

He is in a downward spiral psychologically
He is an alcoholic
He is aggressive and abusive
He probably works from home to keep tabs on you

Your body is telling you enough is enough. I know this is easier said than done but I feel like you are at significant risk and need to get out of this situation with your daughter ASAP.

You are not alone. Take your kid and leave. Just go. Go to family or friends if you can and then someone can collect your stuff later. Don’t forget he values appearance so if you show up with a brother or dad he will make it look like you’re crazy and he’s an angel.
If you don’t have any family, go to a women’s refuge. They can help you with all of this.

You and your kid deserve to be safe and happy.

This will be the scariest and hardest thing you ever do but you CAN do it. It will be hard, it will be messy, he’ll be furious, but you will feel better almost immediately when you are away from him.

Vertigo2851 · 31/01/2025 11:01

Do you want to be together?

NosyJosie · 31/01/2025 11:03

Vertigo2851 · 31/01/2025 11:01

Do you want to be together?

That’s the trauma bond. He’s made her think she’s stuck and nothing without him when she can in fact just walk out the door.

Baileysandcream · 31/01/2025 11:05

Vertigo2851 · 31/01/2025 11:01

Do you want to be together?

I'm wondering why you would want to be together? How does he enhance your life and make it better? He sounds awful.

Imgoingtobefree · 31/01/2025 11:27

You are not together in a relationship sense, only physically in the same house.

He is treating you like this because it suits him.

He gets to live the single life (do and go where he wants, when he wants), but keeps access to his child, a roof over his head, gets you paying the bills, food and cleaning and washing. Plus he has bullied you into submission and you aren’t allowed to ‘’nag’ him or offer opinions. What’s not to love from his point of view?

He just doesn’t care about you, so start ignoring his wishes and start caring about yourself. He has brainwashed you into thinking what HE thinks, feels, says is important. It’s not.

Seek help - GP, Womens Aid, Freedom Programme. You need to leave this relationship but you will need help.

NosyJosie · 31/01/2025 11:28

Baileysandcream · 31/01/2025 11:05

I'm wondering why you would want to be together? How does he enhance your life and make it better? He sounds awful.

See above. This is how abuse works and if you have never experienced it yourself it is hard to understand. After years of this, your self confidence is rock bottom, you live in a permanent state of fear and confusion, and the worst thing of all is a sense of codependency and reliance on the abuser.

Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 11:31

Thank you for your replies.
So it's basically a big area of confusion. I'm detached, walk around like a zombie.

I know I need to leave. I know there is not one positive thing I could tell you about the relationship.
However, the thought of him leaving me devastates me and makes me ill. This is why I'm so bad at the moment, due to the ambivalence. Im scared. Scared he's leaving.

I'm fully aware he is not capable of love. I know I'm just here to meet his needs. I understand it all. Believe it or not, I'm an intelligent person and I can see his behaviour and recognise the cycle.
However I'm just a mess.

Its really easy for everyone to say leave but it isn't that straightforward. However I do appreciate I've spent a lot of time putting up barriers. I've been a lot more proactive; I've nearly got enough saved for 6 months rent upfront, I just need to save for a deposit (another 2k!!) and for some bits I'll need, such as a bed for my son etc. My family are too far away and I have an older child doing exams. Friends are great but have no space, kids of their own, health issues etc.

I honestly wish I knew what was wrong with me. I had therapy, which was great but I still have no idea why I'm in this situation.

Just saw him now and he was talking to me about work etc perfectly normal. Asked about me being around for our child as he has a training course in 3 months. He's making plans and talking as if we are still going to be in the same house in months time, no discussion about moving out. Yet he won't come near me! He won't even look at me when talking to me!

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Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 11:33

NosyJosie · 31/01/2025 11:28

See above. This is how abuse works and if you have never experienced it yourself it is hard to understand. After years of this, your self confidence is rock bottom, you live in a permanent state of fear and confusion, and the worst thing of all is a sense of codependency and reliance on the abuser.

This is 100% it. Thank you so much for understanding. I'm always on heightened alert and on eggshells.

Yesterday my 4 year old said that I shouldn't tell daddy what to do. Daddy is the boss because he's the daddy and he should be telling you what to do.

OP posts:
Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 11:34

Honestly, if you've never been in the cycle and broken to the point you don't even know yourself, it's hard to understand. I completely understand that objectively I appear ridiculous.

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Imgoingtobefree · 31/01/2025 11:35

Just to reiterate about the trauma bond.

I was in a long abusive marriage. I was unhappy and wanted to leave for a long time. (10years plus).

We had adult DC who were independent and had left home, we had enough property assets and pension to share and live ok. I am perfectly able to live alone, buy a house and move. Things like this don’t scare me.

But he scared me. There was never physical abuse or threats. But I didn’t think I’d BE ALLOWED to divorce him. It had to be his idea. I felt this with my heart and soul. Down to my very bones.

It sounds crazy I know - but that is the Godforsaken truth of how unequal an abusive relationship becomes. That is the trauma bond.

JoanCollinsDiva · 31/01/2025 11:36

I think you know what you need to do and are just working up the courage to actually do it. You’ll get there.

Try to imagine what life would be like without him around - the peace you would have with just you and your son. Wouldn’t that be lovely, not walking on eggshells all the time? Being able to please yourself?

He sounds like such a waster I really doubt he’ll put up much resistance or try to go after 50-50 with your child.

The scales have fallen from your eyes and you’re working out a plan, that’s fantastic. Keep going.

NosyJosie · 31/01/2025 11:36

Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 11:33

This is 100% it. Thank you so much for understanding. I'm always on heightened alert and on eggshells.

Yesterday my 4 year old said that I shouldn't tell daddy what to do. Daddy is the boss because he's the daddy and he should be telling you what to do.

It’s time to change break this cycle for your daughter.

username299 · 31/01/2025 11:39

You're completely obsessed with this man and his behaviour. It's all you can think about and it sounds like your mental health is really suffering.

OP you have a child and that child needs to be the centre of your universe, not this ape you're lumbered with.

Make an appointment with your GP and get a check up. You sound run down and may benefit from beta blockers if you're experiencing panic attacks.

Explain to your GP what's going on. She can refer you to local domestic abuse services. It's also good to have evidence of the abuse.

Other alternatives are to use the Refuge webchat facility if you can't talk on the phone or phone during your lunch break. You can find local services on your council website.

Shelter can give you advice on housing and your rights and Gingerbread can advise you on benefits, co-parenting and other issues as a single parent.

Going back to your question, are you still together? Who cares? He does whatever he can to bully and abuse you. He's trying to disorientate you and loves you begging forgiveness. Abuse is about power and control. Take back your power.

JoanCollinsDiva · 31/01/2025 11:41

Yesterday my 4 year old said that I shouldn't tell daddy what to do. Daddy is the boss because he's the daddy and he should be telling you what to do

You need to get your dc away from this toxicity ASAP. Speak to women’s aid.

Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 11:47

I'm appreciative of all the replies. I do agree that I'm obsessed with his behaviour, how he treats me, constantly trying to work out what's going on. Ironically I do have insight, I know I'm hard work (for friends) and I know I'm focusing on the wrong thing. I started this post because I just wanted some insight as to whether or not he's punishing me and we are together, or we are not together and I know it's ridiculous. I'm confused and can't talk to him. His reality is distorted.

I'm concerned for my child who is all for daddy; despite him always putting his self first. He's told our child I'm an angry person, I do this or that ... My child thinks I'm nuts. I'm scared he'll end up with him 50/50. As partner has said he'd stay in this area...although he doesn't want to live here!

I have actually got an appointment next week with women's aid.

I don't want to go the the GP as it's feeds DP/ex DP? Narrative that I'm mentally ill and need medication.

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Chanjh25 · 31/01/2025 11:51

No judgement because I've just gone out of a shit relationship myself
But having the attitude of 'it's not time to leave' you'll never leave
He's having you on walking all over you because you've shown him he can, this is not a reflection on you this is a reflection on him he is a weak man!!
You are so strong for dealing with all of this, you have become the breadwinner and are frankly dealing with too much? What's next OP what next do you have to put up with? The longer you stay the more trauma you will hold.. do you not have friends or family that you can confide in and can stay with for a while until you get yourself on your feet? You should cut all ties with this 'man' and go through someone else to arrange child care orders..
Also I have a question and it's your choice to answer it but how is he with the kids? Does the kids see this regularly, they will grow up with all sorts of issues if you don't stop this for them and more importantly yourself.. remind yourself you are good person your just in a horrible situation get out now rather then later before he destroyed everything you are and everything you have if it's not all ready starting to show
Incase anybody hasn't told you today you are STRONG and you have the willpower to get up and leave ANY MINUTE

Chanjh25 · 31/01/2025 11:53

Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 10:22

I'm going to try and keep this brief but will probably fail. I'm really hoping for some kindness here as I'm really lonely, struggling and a mess at the moment.

I've been in a relationship for 9 years and we have a 4 year old child. It's an abusive relationship and it's been very, very hard. I'm currently having chest pains, feel sick, constant headaches and mouth ulcers. I also have high blood pressure.

He is a narcissist. I know this word gets thrown around, however he is textbook, 100%.
I know I need to leave, I have began saving money however I am not ready yet. I am trauma bonded. I have had therapy but honestly I'm not strong enough yet.

We have a cycle whereby I say/do something he doesn't like and he tries to control my behaviour with threats to leave/for me to leave. My poor behaviour may be asking him to help in the house because he's home all day, or being unhappy he's in the pub 4 nights a week. He used to threaten to leave and go to stay at his parents house, however when I stopped reacting he stopped with that threat. It then moved on to him telling me to work more, which I do; so he can't argue about that...although he sometimes tries. So his new one is saying I have to pay all the rent (in front of our child) or telling me I need to leave.
It's a cycle and he gets angry, threatens, I work harder and in a few days he's completely normal.

However things have not been right for nearly 2 weeks now. 2 weeks ago he was unhappy with me for saying something in front of a family member that he said made him look bad (everything is about appearance with him). He sent me a load of messages and that was that. Last Monday our estate agent came to do a house inspection. I decided to catch her outside and very quietly asked about our joint tenancy. I thought he was sue to start work but he wasn't and he was trying to listen and came outside when we were talking. When she left he was saying I bet you were asking about other houses, what were you talking to her about, I bet you were slagging me off, he was shouting. However he then went in the other room and didn't speak to me for 4 days.

He's now talking to me but things obviously aren't right. He's sleeping downstairs, spends all day in bed and goes to the pub most nights (he was there no day, weds, Thursday - couldn't go Tues I had plans). He drinks around 12 units of alcohol within a 2 hour period before even leaving the house.

What I am trying to work out is; are we even together? I would talk to him as that's the logical thing to do but he deflects, gaslights and gets angry. He's not said we aren't together but not sleeping in our room and no physical relationship. I can't work out if this is another one of his "punishments" so I tie myself in knots or if we are over. I also feel like he's taking advantage... Not officially ending it so I'm at home as back up, perception of a normal relationship, he can see child regularly and has a regular babysitter. He once said he liked it when we didn't talk because he could do what he wants without me nagging...he basically spends the day in bed, drinks most evenings and refuses to do anything in the house despite the fact he's home all day and I work full time.

Also, we have had no discussion about being separated and no conversation about child arrangements, house etc. He threats to stay in the 4 bed house we are renting but has always wanted to move back to where he grew up and goes there regularly. He owns his business and earns a lot more than me but has significantly reduced his hours, does around ab hour or 2 a day, so his yearly salary is around 45k.

I'm literally heartbroken and I'm trying to work out if we are even together or he's punishing me.

And also like someone else has said your body is telling you you can't do anymore of this I've just gotten out of a bad relationship too and was experiencing similar walking on eggshells feeling nervous any time he's around or speaks to me.. constantly wondering what's wrong and what I've done to deserve this when being given the silent treatment
But most of all it was the panic attacks.. the feeling in my chest like my heart is on fire lightheaded and dizziness and my mind is completely rebooting it's self over and over your body is telling you you don't want this anymore you need to listen to it

Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 11:54

Just to clarify; I'm not the bread winner. I work full time but earn a lot less than him. He has a lot of money in savings as his family are wealthy.
So that's an issue for me as I need to save money to leave and he has enough to fight ne in court for our child/buy a house whenever and wherever he wants.

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tirednessreigns · 31/01/2025 11:55

Is your child at school or nursery? You can go to them to explain everything. Say you’d like an early help referral. They will give you lots of support too and hear your side of the story as well as your child’s. They will also sign post you to places who can support you as well as arrange meetings with these people too. Do it for your child as well as yourself.

Really sorry to hear you’re stuck in this situation at the moment-don’t make it that you’re stuck forever. You’re not!

Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 11:56

Also, my family know what's going on (I haven't told them everything). They won't go near him. I'm also close to his siblings and they have supported me too! This is another thing that has made him so angry. Basically I'm close to my "sister in law" she's my mum's age and has been like a mother figure. She's also a therapist!

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FictionalCharacter · 31/01/2025 11:57

NosyJosie · 31/01/2025 11:03

That’s the trauma bond. He’s made her think she’s stuck and nothing without him when she can in fact just walk out the door.

Exactly. OP needs help to do it. @Anon1119 it’s great that you have an appointment for next week. It’s awful but unsurprising to hear that he’s been training your child that you are supposed to obey him. But that can be reversed. She’s very young.

Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 11:58

Chanjh25 · 31/01/2025 11:53

And also like someone else has said your body is telling you you can't do anymore of this I've just gotten out of a bad relationship too and was experiencing similar walking on eggshells feeling nervous any time he's around or speaks to me.. constantly wondering what's wrong and what I've done to deserve this when being given the silent treatment
But most of all it was the panic attacks.. the feeling in my chest like my heart is on fire lightheaded and dizziness and my mind is completely rebooting it's self over and over your body is telling you you don't want this anymore you need to listen to it

I'm so sorry to hear you've been through this. How have you been since leaving the relationship?

It's exactly how I feel; sick, dizzy, lightheaded, pains in my chest, ulcers, just got over flu and then had a UTI. I saw my therapist for a review session yesterday (I'd not seen her in months) and she basically said I look rough...in a very nice, diplomatic way though. I'm also losing weight ...which I don't mind but I'm already slim.

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Anon1119 · 31/01/2025 12:00

FictionalCharacter · 31/01/2025 11:57

Exactly. OP needs help to do it. @Anon1119 it’s great that you have an appointment for next week. It’s awful but unsurprising to hear that he’s been training your child that you are supposed to obey him. But that can be reversed. She’s very young.

But what if he stays living around here and wants to see our child 50/50? He's really lazy with our child, sticks her on a tablet for hours. However she thinks daddy is great because of that. She's very attached to daddy but I also think it's because he stays away more and goes out etc but I'm the constant.

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TipsyJoker · 31/01/2025 12:04

“Yesterday my 4 year old said that I shouldn't tell daddy what to do. Daddy is the boss because he's the daddy and he should be telling you what to do.”

I know leaving is extremely difficult, that your trauma bonded and you are terrified. But you need to take this statement from your child and use it as your motivation to leave. This is in a sense, no longer about you. This is about protecting that child. Do you want your child to grow up with the ingrained belief that men are in charge and women do what they’re told? The information we soak in in our formative years shape our belief systems for life. And it’s only with a lot of professional help and support that those kinds of deeply held beliefs can be changed. They affect us for life. As your child’s mother, with the power to leave this abusive home, (a power your child doesn’t have) the responsibility lays with you to remove your child from this abusive atmosphere and model to them that no-one has the power to abuse you, even a daddy. No-one. You need to model autonomy to your child because right now, your child believes that men, (who they consider to be in a position of power) are allowed to control them. What do you think that will mean in terms of relationships for your child when they are older? Not just romantic relationships but with any authority figure. Teachers, coaches, club leaders, etc. This kind of belief puts your child at risk of abuse by perceived male authority figures. You need to step in and shatter that belief and re-educate your child on autonomy and you cannot do that when you’re still under the control of your abusive partner.

I know it is so terrifying to leave. I had to go through it myself. And I had to leave with nothing. No money, nowhere to stay, just a bag of clothes for me and my child and their favourite teddy. I had to go to women’s aid and ask for help. They gave it to me. I’ve been free for over a decade and I can tell you that it was 1000% the right thing to do.

I’ve since supported many women both before and after leaving abusive relationships. Not one has ever asserted they want to go back once free. You are in a good position because you have thousands of pounds at your disposal. Contact women’s aid and get support to make an exit plan. Check your workplace policy on supporting staff fleeing domestic abuse and speak to the appropriate person. They can give you time off to get set up in a safe place, etc. You can apply to every housing association in your area and local council for housing as you are technically homeless due to having to flee domestic abuse. They must house you as a priority, especially as you have a child under 5. Speak to women’s aid today.

You can do this op. Trauma bonds can be broken with the right support and time. But you have to make the initial break first. You will not be able to break that trauma bond whilst you’re still with him under the same roof. Once you’re gone you just block him everywhere and only communicate through a parenting app. That’s it. Block all his family and friends too as they are flying monkeys. Get out with support from women’s aid and get back into therapy thereafter. And do the freedom programme.

TipsyJoker · 31/01/2025 12:13

She's very attached to daddy but I also think it's because he stays away more and goes out etc but I'm the constant.

No, it’s not that. She is very close to daddy to please daddy. Even at her young age she’s learned that disobeying daddy means abuse. She’s subconsciously protecting herself from daddy’s abuse. This also means that she is becoming trauma bonded just like you. If you don’t leave and remove her from this situation, she could very well start to mimic his behaviour towards you and also become abusive to you. Children do this to stay on the good side of the abusive parent, not because they don’t love the abused parent. There is also the possibility that they harbour resentment towards the abused parent for not protecting them.