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Having a horrific weekend. :-(

31 replies

SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 10:26

Ex H & I split up at the end of last year. Almost identical scenario to CGMs except my H refuses to officially move out (though thankfully rarely stays) & wil not admit to his affair with Chinese person. The cruelty & deliberate knife twisting is horrific, & unfortunately H is refusing to consider the dcs feelings/wants/needs in all this to the point where he is now involving the dc in his campaign of hatred towards me.

This was supposed to be Hs third weekend with the kids. I had got them all ready & the little one was just finishing her dinner when he arrived 15 minutes early ranting that they needed to get going because of the traffic. Both dc had already mentioned on numerous occasions that they didnt want to go with dad, they wanted to stay home, & they had already seen him that week etc etc. I tried sooo hard to encourage them to want to go, but they were having none of it. Unfortunately despite my coaxing (& Hs rantings about the traffic) they simply refused to go with him. They were crying hysterically saying "mummy" H pushed them into the car continually ranting that they had to go NOW!! or would get stuck in traffic, but the dc continued to cry. I asked him to leave it, & pick them up from school next weekend & it would probably be easier, but he refused, ranting on that we would end up in court. I questioned how any of this was my fault when I had actively encouraged them to go with him. Eventually he dragged both dc out of the car telling them to get out & they both ran sobbing to me. It was heartbreaking.

He phoned me 10 minutes later asking me what I was going to do about it. He then sent me a text saying he needed to have the children this weekend & would I meet him half way tomorrow morning? No how are the dc & hope they are ok, all about his needs.

I had an appointment first thing, & said I would ring & let him know when we were out. We tried constantly ringing & texting him during our long journey to the meeting point, but didnt get through until we were literally in the car park when he announced he hadnt even left yet. I had a few choice words to say & hung up on him taking the girls for some lunch. He finally met us an hour later, & with a bit of coaxing I managed to get the dc to go with him. No thanks from H for agreeing to spend half the day driving around the country so he could spend time with the dc. The tears were rolling down my face as I watched them go. (& now ) I then spent another 2 hours on the road driving to my original intended destination.

I spoke to my eldest that evening. Shes always a different child when shes with him, only giving one word answers to anything she`s asked. Thankfully youngest is always herself.

Originally the intention was that they would be coming home today, & that was the only way I managed to get them to go with him by saying I would see them on Sunday. I wouldnt be surprised now if he doesnt refuse to bring them back till monday. It seems so unfair that the dc are quite legally allowed to be used in this way, & their feelings are almost totally disregarded.

I so wanted to avoid involving solicitors & the courts in my dealings with this person, but its seeming more & more inevitable.

Its the dc that will suffer most. But it seems like thats happening already.

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TLV · 04/05/2008 10:42

sparkleprincess, so sorry for you hun, sounds awful can only hope things improve for you

dividedself · 04/05/2008 10:48

He sounds like a bully and I think somehow your dc need to be protected frm his bullying behaviour whilst still having contact with him. It also seems as though the only way you might possibly achieve this is through a more formal arrangement and maybe even the use of a contact centre. The scenarios you describe are not fair on you or your dc and more emotionally worrying than the separation itself for them possibly.

mumonthenet · 04/05/2008 10:48

i'm so sorry sparkle, sounds heartbreaking.

Keep sane if only for your children!

Is there anyway you could sit down and discuss with exH how this is damaging your children?

Hope things improve..

queenrollo · 04/05/2008 10:49

I think you have to accept the inevitable now that solicitors are going to be necessary. They will probably advise mediation too, which might not be a bad idea.

I'm sorry he's being such an arse, especially where the kids are concerned. Shame on him......how old are the dc's? Are they old enough to remember how he is behaving now? I hope he wakes up to himself and realises how selfish and childish his behaviour is.
I do believe in trying very hard to make sure both parents see their children regularly, but not if means the children are being distressed by it all.

I hope this is all resolved for you soon, having been through a break up recently (albeit an amicable one in comparison to you) i feel for you.

SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 10:52

I suppose the next step is to see what the outcome is of this weekends visit.

Will text in a minute asking what time he wants me to meet him today at our half way mark pick up drop off point. I doubt he will reply though.

Got to go out to work for a couple of hours now. Will try to put this out of my mind for a bit & check for more replies later.

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SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 10:54

We are going to Mediation queenrollo. Unfortunately the mediator is a man & see`s the male point of view. Dc are 7 & 9.

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SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 10:55

Got to go out for a bit now. Will come back on later.

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littlewoman · 04/05/2008 14:30

It really doesn't sound right to me that they are so unwilling to go with him. Do they enjoy themselves once they are there? What is their typical day like at their dad's place? Don't mean to suggest the obvious, but have you sat them down and asked them what their problem is with visiting him?

RE: court upsetting the children. They cannot be anymore upset than they are now surely? Something is seriously amiss with this scenario. Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but I would be very worried in your shoes.

morningpaper · 04/05/2008 14:39

OK I'm not separated and I hope this doesn't sound overly-critical but from your OP I'm not sure that either of you handled the situation too well.

My children are occasionally HYSTERICAL about leaving the house, e.g. if they are going somewhere AWFUL like for A Walk and DH occasionally has to drive them off while they are screaming hysterically in the car. This is particularly true if they are stressed or tired.

BUT they are fine after a couple of minutes and have a good time.

I think that by showing you were upset and shouting that he should bring them back and do it another day, you probably made them feel MORE insecure and fed their hysteria. It might have been better if you just helped him put them in the car, smiling and waving cheerily and telling them what a marvellous time they would have. They probably would have been ok in a few minutes. You both sounded stressed and the children would have picked up on that and the are-we-going aren't-we-going and then changing plans at the last minute because they were upset is going to make the next parting much WORSE, I should imagine.

Anyway just my 2p, feel free to ignore.

Cappuccino · 04/05/2008 14:49

mp I do agree that my youngest is v much like that, and wails the place down at the idea of going somewhere in the car with dh without me

but these kids are 7 and 9; she is 3

morningpaper · 04/05/2008 14:56

Ah I didn't see the ages, sorry - even so, sounds like a pretty confusing and scary send-off to me, whatever the age, it must be a bit grim being upset/confused/hassled becasue it's early and dad is stressed and then having mum and dad shouting with mum upset and saying 'forget it, let's do it another day' etc etc

I think once the PLAN is made you need to avoid changing it just because the goodbye is grim

I'm assuming they enjoy themselves once they are there?

The OP says that he is refusing to consider the children's needs but this is illustrated by him not changing his weekend plans to see them just because the children were upset, which seems an unreasonable expectation to me.

littlewoman · 04/05/2008 15:00

I'm just thinking of the way my children to go off to their dad's - they're as happy as larry to be off. Youngest started going when he was 5. Never had this much fuss, and it would seriously worry me if I had.

morningpaper · 04/05/2008 15:02

is only the 3rd weekend though and he turned up all stompy and stressed and moody and rushy

Cappuccino · 04/05/2008 15:05

yes it is traffic ranting that doesn't sound good

not 'ooh, that dinner looks lovely. Let's get it finished up shall we and in the car, because we're going to have a lovely weekend'

SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 19:44

There was no shouting on my part whatsoever. I was being as positive as I could trying to encourage them to go, telling them how much fun they would have etc etc. What I said to their dad about leaving it till next week wasnt something they heard me say. Its H who threw his toys out of the pram when things didnt go his way while I frantically tried to pick up the pieces. He made no effort to pacify the situation whatsoever, it was all left to me, then he blamed me when his lack of parenting skills buggered things up.

Dc seem fine now, as I thought, & have decided to stay over until tomorrow morning. So I bent over backwards to accommodate him on his weekend, driving all over the country & now I get half a day with them which will no doubt consist of having to nag them to do their homework. Great!

Ive no idea what they do when theyre with their dad. Im not even entitled to know the address, let alone anything else.

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belle74 · 04/05/2008 19:58

Sparkle, really sorry to hear how things are for you and your dc's at present.

Personally i don't think that Children should have to see or stay with a parent if they, for whatever reason feel distressed by it. Obviously sometimes kids might have a funny five minutes about going off and doing something unfamiliar/leaving their toys or whatever, but this is over and above this by a mile from your OP.

My parents divorced when I was sven and for various reasons I decided when i was about 11 not to see my dad for a while. Nothing'terrible' had happened but I didnt feel great about things and for a few years had minimal contac with him , my choice which was respected by all concerned.

I later re-established regular contact when various things had been resolved in my dads life.

Its never a happy prospect to get the courts involved, but your DC's are old enough to tell the court workers what they would prefer, and no court would force a child to go and stay with a parent if there was this level of distress involved.

And as for not knowing the adress of thier father, WTF!!!!!!!On those grounds alone I would be marching to the court.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 20:07

Apparently I have no legal right to the address. I have a phone number, but thats it. Continually debate getting the law involved & weighing up pros & cons with regard to possible upset caused to children. I am grudgingly accepting the address thing, but certainly not happy about it. It clearly shows what an unreasonable @rsehole H is.

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TheProvincialLady · 04/05/2008 20:15

You have to seek legal advice over this. I would not send my DS anywhere I wasn't allowed to know the address, not without a judge making me. Your ex sounds like a bully to them and you.

If children don't want to go with a parent I don't think they should be made to. I used to plead with my mum not to make me go to my dad's for the weekend and made up all sorts of excuses, but was still made to go. Until it came out that he was abusing me and also making me sit up until 2 or 3am keeping him company. I'm not saying anything of this kind is taking place but surely children have a right to say whether they want to stay somewhere that is not their home, without their main carer?

SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 20:30

I have sought legal advice, & I was stunned to find out how few rights the dc & I actually have against this person. Its all about maintaining contact regardless, & im the one in the wrong if I withhold it unless serious abuse is going on.

Thankfully they seem happy enough at the moment with him. Will see how they are when they come back tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing them again.

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TheProvincialLady · 04/05/2008 20:40

How awful. I'm glad they are okay though.

SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 20:58

Just spoke to them. They are coming home tomorrow morning. I expect they will want a relaxing day at home after their busy weekend. I quite fancy taking them down to the seaside to the fun fair & arcade. Perhaps next weekend.

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SparklePrincess · 06/05/2008 09:42

They came back yesterday morning happily enough & we had a lovely day together. Think they had a nice time with their dad, which is the main thing. will have to continue to monitor the situation I suppose.

We were supposed to be going to mediation again tonight to tie up the loose ends on our agreement, but hes got me to phone and cancel it because hes allegedly too busy. If we dont get the house finished & on the market soon we`ll be in the same position this time next year.

Starting some work experience at the end of this week. Fingers crossed it leads to something good.

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mumonthenet · 07/05/2008 00:38

thanks for the update sparkle and glad they had a good time with their dad.

fingers crossed for you

dittany · 07/05/2008 00:51

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madamez · 07/05/2008 00:59

I agree with Dittany: it sounds to me as though you have more rights than you might think. Also, you do need to get everything agreed in a proper legal framework because it stops your XP being able to mess you about. Unpleasant men frequently claim that the law is all in their favour when in fact the opposite is true.

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