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Having a horrific weekend. :-(

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SparklePrincess · 04/05/2008 10:26

Ex H & I split up at the end of last year. Almost identical scenario to CGMs except my H refuses to officially move out (though thankfully rarely stays) & wil not admit to his affair with Chinese person. The cruelty & deliberate knife twisting is horrific, & unfortunately H is refusing to consider the dcs feelings/wants/needs in all this to the point where he is now involving the dc in his campaign of hatred towards me.

This was supposed to be Hs third weekend with the kids. I had got them all ready & the little one was just finishing her dinner when he arrived 15 minutes early ranting that they needed to get going because of the traffic. Both dc had already mentioned on numerous occasions that they didnt want to go with dad, they wanted to stay home, & they had already seen him that week etc etc. I tried sooo hard to encourage them to want to go, but they were having none of it. Unfortunately despite my coaxing (& Hs rantings about the traffic) they simply refused to go with him. They were crying hysterically saying "mummy" H pushed them into the car continually ranting that they had to go NOW!! or would get stuck in traffic, but the dc continued to cry. I asked him to leave it, & pick them up from school next weekend & it would probably be easier, but he refused, ranting on that we would end up in court. I questioned how any of this was my fault when I had actively encouraged them to go with him. Eventually he dragged both dc out of the car telling them to get out & they both ran sobbing to me. It was heartbreaking.

He phoned me 10 minutes later asking me what I was going to do about it. He then sent me a text saying he needed to have the children this weekend & would I meet him half way tomorrow morning? No how are the dc & hope they are ok, all about his needs.

I had an appointment first thing, & said I would ring & let him know when we were out. We tried constantly ringing & texting him during our long journey to the meeting point, but didnt get through until we were literally in the car park when he announced he hadnt even left yet. I had a few choice words to say & hung up on him taking the girls for some lunch. He finally met us an hour later, & with a bit of coaxing I managed to get the dc to go with him. No thanks from H for agreeing to spend half the day driving around the country so he could spend time with the dc. The tears were rolling down my face as I watched them go. (& now ) I then spent another 2 hours on the road driving to my original intended destination.

I spoke to my eldest that evening. Shes always a different child when shes with him, only giving one word answers to anything she`s asked. Thankfully youngest is always herself.

Originally the intention was that they would be coming home today, & that was the only way I managed to get them to go with him by saying I would see them on Sunday. I wouldnt be surprised now if he doesnt refuse to bring them back till monday. It seems so unfair that the dc are quite legally allowed to be used in this way, & their feelings are almost totally disregarded.

I so wanted to avoid involving solicitors & the courts in my dealings with this person, but its seeming more & more inevitable.

Its the dc that will suffer most. But it seems like thats happening already.

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SparklePrincess · 07/05/2008 18:28

Sadly I have had this confirmed by a solicitor & our mediator, who claims he was a judge for 30 years. If thats the sort of judge I could get id end up losing out big time. I suppose the sad fact is that most judges are men, & most men are incapable of seeing the womans or dc`s point of view.

At least they seemed to enjoy themselves with H this time. Dd is already asking why she has to go to Dads every other week though, & she would rather it was only every 3 weeks. Its going to really kick off once he decides he wants them for a week or more. Thats unlikely to happen for some time though. Will have to continue to monitor the situation I suppose.

We were supposed to go to mediation again last night, but H decided to cancel it at the last minute. Probably hasnt spoken to his solicitor about this weekends events yet. Our lovely mediator rang to let me know that they will still be charging us for the session, despite the fact that its done through Relate & they are supposed to be non profit making & means tested. The fact that I told him we are well overdrawn due to H`s reckless spending didnt make any difference to him.

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Lovesdogsandcats · 07/05/2008 21:09

My god sparkle, i have just realised you are the poster whose nob ex wont tell you where he lives. i thought that was a coincidence as my ex was the same and i really didn't think there was a man like him...it turns out my ex is same as yours in other ways..the illogical believing that somehow this is all your fault, putting himself first/kids last/ trying to get kids to go with him when they dont want to and blaming you for it...

i went through all this and more a few years ago. Ended in court and CAFCASS visits/reports.

I think the best advice I could give is to not be afraid of the court process and to not rise to him. Say as little as possible and don't engage in any negativity with him.
Family courts don't have one judge making decisions, there were 3 when I went (think they were magistrates)

SparklePrincess · 09/05/2008 19:20

Thats interesting Lovesdogsandcats. The way my H is behaving if he doesnt pull his socks up he`ll end up with supervised contact. I wish he would realise that.

Will wait & see how our mediation meeting goes next week, & then how the kids are when he turns up to take them.

He`s not even been to see them since he dropped them off on monday morning. He phoned earlier on & asked what we were doing this weekend, & if we were doing nothing he thought he might take them out for a day. I told him we had plans already, & even if we hadnt it was my weekend with them & he should let me enjoy my time with them as I let him when he has them. He probably wont see them now until his pick up day next friday. And this is the person who wants shared care.

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SparklePrincess · 12/05/2008 18:00

Its over a week now since H (who claims to want shared care) has seen the dc He probably wont see them now until friday when its his weekend again. (If they go with him)

Got mediation again tomorrow. Cant say im looking forward to it. Need to figure out if I can claim Legal Aid. I signed up with a Solicitors at the beginning of the year who took legal aid, & they said id be funded on that basis. Unfortunately at the time I wasnt in the right state of mind to cope with what was expected of me so I called the whole thing off before Id even petitioned. Dont know if they even applied for the legal aid or not. I did offer to pay for any time they had spent on my case, but they didnt reply so I assume they made a claim. If they did I cannot make another legal aid claim until 6 months after the last. So around mid July.

Just want all this to go away now. Ive had enough. I dont have any money to pay for a solicitor if I cant get legal aid & H is spending money like its going out of fashion. We are worringly overdrawn on our joint current account, & if he doesnt curb his spending will go over our agreed limit by the end of the month.

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sue1911 · 12/05/2008 21:26

I dont know the law side but from a personal point of view i wouldnt let my child stay anywhere that i didnt have an address for.

all i did want to do, is offer a word of caution regarding making the children go when they dont want to.
Be careful that they dont turn on you and become angry and resentful that you make them go, even if they have a fun time when they are there.

I agree with dittany that no child should be put through the level of distress that your ex is causing and i'm sure there is someway it can be dealt with legally.

yes, courts like both parents to have an active input into a childs life, but surely not at the expense of that childs mental and physical well being.

i would see the CAB or another solicitor if i was you.

SparklePrincess · 13/05/2008 12:43

Thanks Sue. Im not happy about the no address scenario at all, & my first instinct was to refuse to let them go. Unfortunately this would be seen as me withholding access & I would be the one in the wrong in the eyes of the law.

As long as the dc are happy to go & enjoying their time with their father then im grudgingly accepting what is in most peoples minds an unacceptable situation, so`s not to rock the boat any more than necessary.

There is no way I would ever make the dc go with their father against their wishes. If it came down to him wishing to do that then I would dig my heels in hard.

Just found out that I am now free to claim Legal Aid again if I should wish. This is great news & if things dont seriously go to plan soon ill be appointing a solicitor to deal with the complete sh1thead for me.

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