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MIL issue

41 replies

Hjrk · 15/12/2024 22:10

Hi there,
Sorry, this post will be quite long, but I'm just looking for some advice on how to handle this situation. I also really need to rant. I'm a FTM to a 7 month old baby boy. He's the first grandchild on both sides of our family. The situation pertains my MIL. When I was pregnant she would say that she and FIL would help us after the baby was born, that they could help with housework or cooking etc. She must have said this like ten times over my pregnancy. She would say these things voluntarily, DH and I weren't asking for help yet as being first time parents we didn't know what we will need help with. She even said that they'd help before I was even pregnant.

We were going to have a home birth, but we had complications, so I had to have an emergency C-section and our baby had to be in the NICU for 5 days. Our hospital didn't allow visitors, so my parents in law didn't see our baby until the day after we came home from hospital. Note - at my baby shower a few months before our baby was born I casually told MIL that we would like a couple of days for just resting and bonding for the three of us after he was born. She didn't say much to that, but I thought she was okay with it. However, some time after this she spoke to DH and I found out that she was extremely upset by it as she wanted to see her grandson like the same day or next day after he was born. We reduced the amount of days we wanted to have alone after the birth. Even though she was so upset by this she didn't speak to me about it and seemed to be friendly to me. She would even call me and ask how I'm feeling etc. around and after the due date, so she seemed to want to be involved. The reason why I described this is that my DH thought that could have been the reason why she behaved the way she did after our baby's birth (see below). This and the fact that we asked everybody not to kiss DS for the first two months (for his own good!). DH said that MIL thought we had "too many rules" (we literally only had one in the end). Also, she did kiss DS defiantly in front of DH during one of her first visits...

Fast forward to the day after we brought our baby home. My parents in law came to see him. They brought a gift, sat down and waited for DH to bring them cups of tea, biscuits.. They didn't bring food or even ask if we needed help. The apartment was a mess because I laboured at home for hours and after we were rushed to the hospital DH didn't have much time to tidy. I was sitting on the couch holding our son. They held him, took pictures and just sat on the couches. I told them about the labour and C-section (it was pretty traumatic so I got a bit upset and teary). DH said he'll need to go to the supermarket as we needed some food. His father started saying something that they could go to the supermarket for us, but his mother literally nearly snapped at him and said that they need to go/get on the road or something like that. She was quite cold - thinking about it I'm still quite taken back at how cold she was. (She did something similar a couple of weeks later where FIL asked DH how he is and she snapped and said "he's fine"). After that she didn't check in with us for a good few days until DH called her and confronted her and said that she promised to help. (I think she said "Ah you know, I say a lot of things" or something like that). She was really upset about DH confronting her like this to the point that she called DH's brother and said she's never been so angry with DH. Eventually it was agreed that she'd cook us a certain meal and bring it once a week, but then that stopped after a short time. Ever since then she just wiggles out of everything eventually and when DH says something to her she comes up with excuses. She came maybe twice and helped by cleaning our bathroom. When our son was 2 months old after DH said something to her, she sent a voice message saying they we're into our third month now and we don't really need her help anymore and that she'd just like to come for a chat and a cup of tea. She came for a chat and a cup of tea for some time every fortnight or so and I met her either in the local shopping centre or at our place. I prefer to meet her at the shopping centre because the last time she came here, she didn't even wash her cup and left it at the sink with her biscuit wrapper for me to clean. She's supposed to come every fortnight again from January onwards, but I don't really want to be having cups of tea and chats with her tbh. I actually recently texted her and asked her myself for the first time whether she could look after/take DS for a walk for like 2 hours when she comes every fortnight. She said she would, but I don't know how long that'll last.. I'm just tired of this. She always says things like "I care about you" etc., but there isn't much to show for it. I'm a tired FTM, and I also have postpartum thyroiditis and some other health issues - I just need a hand. Don't get me wrong, I know that nobody has to help us, but I'm just fed up with her behaviour. It's just promises promises and then nothing. She promised all this stuff when I was pregnant and then nothing, then she even suggested she'll help me move things around in our living room to make more space and never mentioned it again. Even before DS was born she agreed to clean our second hand buggy (they have a house so have space to dry it, whereas we live in an apartment) and when time came for her and FIL to bring it over to us DH asked her if she cleaned it, she said she forgot and got annoyed at him after which she very grumpily cleaned the pram. It seems to be always like that - she promises something and then expects us to forget about it and act like she never promised it... I don't really believe any word she says now. She always says these things and then doesn't follow up and expects us to forget about it.

She was never very welcoming when we came to visit and also likes to talk about her problems a lot. I often found some things that she did quite frustrating, but I could kind of put up with them. We would always get along and we still get along now, but I just feel so hurt and annoyed because of the way she's been since our son was born. DH and I feel that she's not even interested enough in her grandson.. Surely she should want to spend more time with him? And again, I know nobody is obliged to help us, not even family, but it's sad that we can't count on family for a bit of help when we need it. My own family is in no way perfect, but my mum did come for some weekends to give us a hand after our baby was born even though she lives further away and works full time. My MIL doesn't work and lives closer. I'm just so tired of this situation. Was/is anyone in a similar situation and do you have any advice on how to handle this? I've gotten to a point that I just feel irritated when I even think about her and I obviously don't want to feel this way. I wish I could just accept this and not care about it...

OP posts:
mrssunshinexxx · 16/12/2024 03:58

Honestly I mean this kindly she sounds fairly useless and self absorbed but I also don't understand why you are constantly pestering for help 1 because it's yours and your husband baby no one else's and 2 because she clearly doesn't want to.
I couldn't abide begging someone for help that clearly didn't give a shit x

Fraaances · 16/12/2024 04:04

I am on the fence here… it sounds a bit like you’re using access to the baby as payment for cleaning services. Yes she was weird at the beginning, but she’s tried to connect with you - coming over for a cup of tea, etc. Does your friend come and clean your kitchen when they come over for a cup of tea? I bet they don’t. I think you expect too much. She’s trying to start from the beginning and you’re not allowing it. (And I am the last person to defend a MIL normally.)

2024riot · 16/12/2024 04:07

You seem quite rude and entitled to be honest

Eyresandgraces · 16/12/2024 04:20

@Hjrk people say a lot of things, it's just talk.
My mil was so excited about our ds and was going to walk him out in his pram while I got a rest.
She never did. She too would come weekly to hold him and that was it.

Best thing is not to rely on your mil. She clearly doesn't want to help.

CuriousGeorge80 · 16/12/2024 04:33

The best course of action is for you to just accept that it is what it is, she isn't going to be much help, and crack on. Nobody owes you anything. Lots of people say stuff that turns out to not be true. Letting it bother you is consuming needless energy.

DottieMoon · 16/12/2024 04:44

2024riot · 16/12/2024 04:07

You seem quite rude and entitled to be honest

Agree

YellowDiamondsInTheSky · 16/12/2024 04:45

Wow, just wow.

She said she’d help and she didn’t step up. Disappointing but it was what it was.

I cannot believe your DH confronted her about it and pressured her into cooking for you. And you’re also complaining that she’s not cleaning? Just wow.

You sound really entitled and are clearly seeing your MIL as a free cleaner and cook rather than what she is. There isn’t a MIL issue, it’s a DIL issue I’m afraid.

yipyipyop · 16/12/2024 04:47

You only have one child you don't need everyone running around you cooking and cleaning for you. You don't have to be best friend but it sounds like mil is trying to connect. I'd never expect my in laws and parents to be doing stuff like that. It's basic adult things you do for yourself.

Tourmalines · 16/12/2024 04:49

Smart MIL . She’s cottoned on to you and does not want to be your skivvy . You are incredibly entitled.

Shatandfattered · 16/12/2024 05:33

Your attitude is ridiculous, having a baby doesn't default family members into staff roles in your life. Star-of-the-show-itis much?

Quitelikeit · 16/12/2024 05:53

Expecting visitors to wash their cup?! You lost me there

also interesting how you banned her from
visiting thinking she was going to be all over your baby like a rash!

she’s not done anything wrong

Eenameenadeeka · 16/12/2024 07:03

I do think you have unreasonable expectations of what family should do. I'd never expect them to be cleaning bathrooms. My mum did lunches for me (from food at my home) for about a week, when I had my second because my husband went back to work the next day. I think they were right that a couple of months in, two adults and one baby you don't really need to be cooked for.

Whyherewego · 16/12/2024 07:11

She sounds like the sort of person who makes grandiose statements eg I'll come and help every day with baby. And then never follows through.
There's lots of people like that unfortunately. However you've taken it all at face value, despite her saying afterwards she pretty much didn't mean it and showing you she's not into it.
So you need a reboot. She is clearly the sort of MIL who will pop over for a cuppa now and again and see baby. Accept that for what it is. Don't agree an every fortnight thing with her. Leave it to DH to organise with her separately and that's that.
She's never going to be the helpful person you wanted. So don't expect that from her any more.
If you need the bathroom cleaned, get a cleaner. If you need the cups washing and you don't have time, ask DH. This is your new reality now which is full time mum looking after a baby is tough. And he will need to step up and you will need to accept that you may not get much if any help from relatives. Many folks have zero relatives nearby and just have to get on with it. So you'll have to find a way through

Comff · 16/12/2024 07:34

Why does your MIL have to cook and clean and your FIL not have to do anything?

standardduck · 16/12/2024 08:03

I think your expectations were a bit unreasonable. I wouldn't expect my MIL to help like that as we don't have that kind of relationship.

Some people do say a lot of things and promise to help, but it's just a lip service.

I don't think your DH should have confronted her or get her to cook for you.

Accept your relationship for what it is and get paid help if you are struggling.

curious79 · 16/12/2024 08:12

I do wonder whether had you let her come and see the baby the minute you were home she might be a bit less spiky about things. When it comes to very close family, I really don’t understand all this business of you need three days to bond. They could’ve done a flying visit.

pettiness or not, why should she be doing cleaning for you? Just sort your shit out and get used to the fact she’s not there to help you. not cleaning a pram when she said she would is annoying. You now know you can’t rely on her at all.

what is the father-in-law doing? Can he come round every fortnight and push your baby round for two hours or is this some weird expectation that only older women should help?

thepariscrimefiles · 16/12/2024 08:12

Just accept that she made a load of empty promises that she had no intention of keeping. You know now that she only said those things to make herself feel good so don't have any expectations of help from her. Don't make any effort to see her.

kiwiane · 16/12/2024 08:15

There are two of you and one small baby; you should be able to cope without his elderly mum helping out. I would prefer them to come and hold the baby.
You seem intent on causing trouble - I can’t imagine it would be such a big deal for you to wash a mug and put a wrapper in the bin after their visit. Why not alternate and go to their home?

yipyipyop · 16/12/2024 08:15

Comff · 16/12/2024 07:34

Why does your MIL have to cook and clean and your FIL not have to do anything?

Because it's always the adult woman's responsibility for sone reason. Mil shouldn't have made empty promises but baby is 7 months old M, not newborn they should have sorted things out by now or hired a cleaner.

PiastriThePastry · 16/12/2024 08:24

This is all a bit silly on your part, and somewhat entitled. So she promised help that, when it came to, she didn’t feel prepared, for whatever reason, to give. Who cares honestly? You have one baby, and you’re not on your own, you have you husband for support. Leaving wrappers on the side is a mild irritant but takes two seconds to chuck in the bin, and as for whinging that she didn’t wash her cup.. get a grip, honestly. Expecting her to clean your bathroom regularly is ridiculous. Get a cleaner if you’re struggling.
Accept she is who she is and that practical help isn’t really her forte and life will be much less stressful!

FloofPaws · 16/12/2024 08:25

Sorry but it's not her job to do stuff for you and your DH. Odd jobs etc can be done by you both evenings and weekends, I don't think I ever cleaned my pram, and if your DH was home then it's his job to welcome them in with a drink if you've just had a section. Also why don't need her to take your baby out for 2 hours? If it's for sleep then just sleep
When the baby is sleeping or go to bed early

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 16/12/2024 08:37

@Hjrk I never expected any help from anyone when I returned from hospital!! this was back in the days when dads did not paternity leave. shoved right in at the deep end and I coped along with everyone else!! you need to just get yourself into a routine and do everything daily. my hubby worked full time and was gone from 8.15am till 5.45pm. he also played sports at weekends. I went back to work doing two night night shift when baby first and second baby were 4 months old and I still coped¬ nobody needed to come to my house and do cleaning or cooking for me!

missod · 16/12/2024 08:52

I never had any help, never expected it.

Where's your pride OP? Why would you let someone clean your bathroom and cook for you, when they'd rather not?

This is a very strange thread.

AnarchismUK · 16/12/2024 08:52

One thing that struck me was you said you stayed in hospital several days, then MIL was allowed to visit the next, why on earth didn't your DH clean up? I'd have been really upset if DH let myself and my newborn arrive home to a mess.
I'd also be interested to know when you allowed your DPs to see DC. You don't come across well OP.

StrawberryWater · 16/12/2024 09:04

Are empty promises annoying? Yes! Absolutely and your MIL sounds like a bit of a flake.

That said you are asking too much. Do your own cooking and cleaning! Jesus what is your Dh doing? He has arms doesn't he! What's all this nonsense about the wimin folk doing all the cooking, cleaning and housework? Why can't the men do it? Or is this a cultural thing (and even if it is stop perpetuating the stereotype and tell your husband to get off his arse and clean the bathroom).