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Constant arguments with DH about our teens, 2 in particular

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Thisisntme1 · 29/11/2024 23:24

This is a long one sorry, please bear with me as I’d love some advice and trying to give as much context as possible.
I’ve also put in paragraphs but I’m on the app so hope they show.

DH seems to always have an issue with two of our kids in particular.
To set some back story, we have 3 boys (20, 16, 13) and admittedly the 16yo is the easiest kid/teenager by far. He’s a very easy going, does what he’s told, people pleaser, doesn’t get into trouble sort of kid. The other two are a bit more work attitude wise but still fantastic kids that don’t get into any trouble.
They are both suspected ADHD/autism but the oldest has never been tested and the youngest is on a waiting list.

DH very obvious struggles with those two in particular and they notice it, the youngest often says he feels like his dad hates him.
If I mention it though DH blows up and accuses me of always defending and protecting them.
DH is never physically violent and I often agree (mostly) with the rules he wants to implement etc but it’s the way he goes about it that I hate.

There’s a lot of issues but I’ll start with the oldest.
He works full time, has a GF who is currently long distance for university, sees his mates occasionally and plays a sport during its season.
He’s a bit of an anxious kid and very introverted. He’s not a big partier or drinker, is not into clubbing, doesn’t do drugs, smoke or vape or anything.

We haven’t been charging him board as he has to live away from home for a week every six weeks for his trade and he pays for all of that himself but as that’s coming to an end we’ll start charging.
He pays all his own bills (phone, car etc), buys his own snacks etc. he doesn’t do many chores off his own back but will if you ask.
He eats dinner with us most nights and is not very chatty but otherwise spends a lot of time after work in his room. Playing Xbox with his mates or talking to his girlfriend. He wouldn’t come sit and watch tv with us for example.

DH is always mad at him for not talking much or doing nothing around the house, thinks he’s lazy, disgusting and disrespectful because he’s in his room a lot and thinks he only comes out to talk to us if he wants a lift somewhere (to train station for example)
I just think he’s living his life, doing his own thing in his down time and know that he’s a quiet kid. I’m happy to give him lifts if I’m not busy.
They never ask DH if they can help it as they know he’ll say no, or not be happy about it, but DH gets annoyed at me if I do it.

DH and I battle on this all the time. I understand he has his own opinion but the way he speaks about our DS is awful, like he’s a drug addict getting into trouble with the police.
If DS were to ever start doing chores off his own back or hanging it out with us all the time, DH would be suspicious of that too and say he’s only doing it because he wants something. It’s like he can never be pleased.
In these arguments I ask exactly what he would like DS to do that would make him happy but he doesn’t answer.
DH is very emotionally immature and starts being very sarcastic in arguments and you really don’t get anywhere.

I can see things with our youngest DS are going to be similar as he gets older. They already aren’t great and DH and him fight all the time.
Admittedly I have/do undermine DH sometimes. I don’t mean to, as I said I often agree with him taking technology off DS for bad behaviour as an example.
But DH doesn’t stay calm and consistent, he escalates as well which escalates DS and then suddenly technology is banned for 6 months or something unrealistic and DH is stomping around like a raging bull.
I’m aware what I do wrong and I’m trying to change it.

DH thinks the kids listen to me and respect me but not him, so I’ve tried pointing out to him the way I parent and how it’s different to DH so maybe if he wants what I have he could try doing things that way too, but he never does.
His favourite saying is “I’m just trying to hold our kids accountable"
But I also hold them accountable for their actions, just in a different way. I am a bit more permissive I suppose but I’ve stopped sweating the small stuff and I’m happier for it.

DH’s view is that he can’t say anything negative about 2 of the kids in particular as I jump to their defence and I guess I do but DH doesn’t just say “oh gees DS1 is giving my the shits today because of….”
He’ll say “DS is a disgusting, rude disrespectful kid and he can move out/fuck off if he doesn’t want to talk to me” (that’s not an exact example but very close to how he talks)

It’s really affecting our marriage and I don’t know how to move forward from here as we have the same argument literally every week.

OP posts:
Lighteningstrikes · 30/11/2024 10:12

There’s nothing wrong with your kids. I would be very proud of them.

Your DH is a dictator and needs therapy before he wrecks your family.

Unwittingly he could push them into addictions precisely because of the way HE treats them.

whathaveiforgotten · 30/11/2024 10:31

Your kids sound nice and normal.

Your husband sounds like a bully.

Your boys aren't the problem.

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 30/11/2024 11:58

He gets worse with each post - you shouldn't have got back together but if you really want to make a go of it the explore counselling. The point about him not being able to regulate his emotions but criticising the kids for it needs hammering home.

Thisisntme1 · 03/12/2024 05:53

Thanks for all the advice, I'm really taking it all on board. I'm not a stupid person, I know his behaviour is not good but we do have such good moments that I've been resigned I think to take the good with the bad.

Sorry to keep adding to this but another things has just happened which bugged me (and is confusing), our DS20 just came home from a few days away at his trade school and was in the room with us showing his work and talking about his day (well answering my questions really) but he was in a good mood and DH just sat there reading the newspaper. Didn't look up, didn't ask DS any questions, didn't even acknowledge him much.

After complaining that DS doesn't talk much and it bothers him, why would he then basically ignore him when he does?
I know you'll say he's being an asshole and you're probably right, but I'm trying to understand the behaviour before I can get to a counsellor.

OP posts:
SharpOpalNewt · 03/12/2024 05:58

titchy · 29/11/2024 23:55

I think you move forward by giving your dh an ultimatum - start being a decent loving father/husband or fuck off. What a cunt he is. Your poor kids.

This. Sounds like he is taking his own issues out on the kids or doesn't like them becuase they are not exactly like him.

It doesn't matter if he doesn't say it to.the kids, they know, by body language or anything he does. He, DH needs to make the effort now to repair the relationship with his sons.

SharpOpalNewt · 03/12/2024 06:00

DH just sat there reading the newspaper

God, I'd be so annoyed. I'd grab the newspaper, put it in the recycling and tell him to listen to his son.

lifesrichpageant · 03/12/2024 06:12

Gah OP it really is so hard to hear this. Your poor DS.
I saw this quote today and it resonated with me:

"Sometimes people use 'respect' to mean 'treating someone like a person' and sometimes they use 'respect' to mean, 'treating someone like an authority'.
And sometimes people who are used to being treated as an authority say, 'if you won't respect me, I won't respect you,' and what they mean is, 'if you won't treat me like an authority, I won't treat you like a person'.
And they think they're being fair but they aren't, and it's not okay."

lifesrichpageant · 03/12/2024 06:15

Thisisntme1 · 03/12/2024 05:53

Thanks for all the advice, I'm really taking it all on board. I'm not a stupid person, I know his behaviour is not good but we do have such good moments that I've been resigned I think to take the good with the bad.

Sorry to keep adding to this but another things has just happened which bugged me (and is confusing), our DS20 just came home from a few days away at his trade school and was in the room with us showing his work and talking about his day (well answering my questions really) but he was in a good mood and DH just sat there reading the newspaper. Didn't look up, didn't ask DS any questions, didn't even acknowledge him much.

After complaining that DS doesn't talk much and it bothers him, why would he then basically ignore him when he does?
I know you'll say he's being an asshole and you're probably right, but I'm trying to understand the behaviour before I can get to a counsellor.

PS OP no-one is saying you are a stupid person, you sound like an absolutely lovely person and a brilliant mum and partner. It's normal to take the good with the bad and question if things are really as bad as they can seem sometimes.

You may not ever understand his behaviour as I think it is probably very deeply rooted in ideas of identity/power and control. In the meantime, trust your instincts that this behaviour is not on!

teapotfullofsquash · 03/12/2024 06:31

My husband is like this with our kids. Ridiculous rules that can't be followed, expectations of them (that he doesn't do himself) just absolute batshittery parenting sometimes. He's just been diagnosed with adhd. (Not shocked)
I constantly stand up for them he hates it, but I'll never back down. If he doesn't like it, he can leave. I want the kids to know I always had their backs.

EverybodyLovesString · 03/12/2024 06:38

After complaining that DS doesn't talk much and it bothers him, why would he then basically ignore him when he does?
I know you'll say he's being an asshole and you're probably right, but I'm trying to understand the behaviour before I can get to a counsellor.

Because he feels offended by your DS and wants to punish him. It's very much, as a previous poster said, about power and control.

Coldiron · 03/12/2024 07:45

My exH was exactly like this with our lovely son.

I left him and it has actually led to a massive improvement in their relationship. Now he only sees DS at weekends he doesn’t seem to have that same drive to control, or perhaps he is aware that he wouldn’t see him at all otherwise.

rwalker · 03/12/2024 08:01

Sounds like good cop bad cop and naturally kids gravitate to the easiest route in life which is yours
undermining is so damaging allocate chores for them to do
kids can be very insular so it’s not personal that they stay in there room
all three sound like they have similar personality traits and clash

it’s perfectly normal for kids to start doing things like chores to get on your good side when they want something

as for lifts tell them to ask there dad sometimes time alone in the car with a captive audience in a rare time for 1-2-1 time

more importantly everyone DH,DS and OP has a part to play in this rather than just trying to blame DH and everyone else is perfect

user1492757084 · 03/12/2024 08:15

I agree that a 20 year old should be more politely social and helpful with any housemates (including family).
Your DH doesn't react well though; he should be showing his more friendly character and be more jolly and easier to be around.
So you have a problem.
Your son and your husband both need to grow up and think of those around them more.

Can you organise a fun activity for 13 year old to do with his father once a week. Can your husband be the only parent responsible for one of his son's hobbies or sports?
It seems like thay have not spent time getting to know each other in a relaxed way.

Scrambledchickens · 03/12/2024 09:04

It’s not your job to fix your husband.
my ex had a similar “parenting style “ to yours. Neither of his now adult sons speak to him now and never will again. Being critical, angry and controlling does not foster good relationships.
Also the quiet “good” son will feel the blows just as much as his brothers do.

ginasevern · 03/12/2024 09:17

This is the problem with so many men. They want their egos massaged all the bloody time and they want to be the alpha male in the household (usually without doing anything constructive to deserve it). When kids are little they're no threat but when those offspring become adults, especially if they're male, the never ending conflict starts. The husband basically resents his own children. I've seen it so many times.

Happyinarcon · 03/12/2024 09:35

It’s narcissistic abuse. The compliant child is the golden child the other two have become the scapegoat kids.
Narcissists are pretty good around young children because they haven’t become individuals yet, but the abuse ramps up when they start expressing themselves

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