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DP asking for unspecified financial commitment, need advice please.

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JustSomeRamdomGuy · 24/11/2024 20:49

Me and DP were planning to move in together for a while. Initially the plan was she would move into my place (she rents), but that turned out to not be possible logistically for us. So instead the plan became for us to buy together somewhere near where she currently lives. It wouldn't be ideal for me as it would mean 3 hours a day commute, but if it's what we need to do to be together then I'd be happy to do it.

It's an expensive area, and we'd need a big deposit to get anywhere decent. DP has a small amount of savings but not much. The idea would have been for me to sell my place and put all my savings in, which would mean I could contribute £500K deposit which would be enough for us to get something decent (hopefully forever home), and also means DP wouldn't have to cash out her own savings which are in an ISA so probably worth holding onto.

We talked about this previously a bunch of times and we always agreed on buying as tenants in common, so if things didn't work out for whatever reason then deposits are protected. The reason protecting the deposit is important to me is because I'm due to retire in 5 years and so need to have some financial security around that. The remaining equity would have been split 50/50, I agreed to pay majority of the mortgage as I earn a bit more, but I'm happy to do that to help DP build equity in the house so she also has some financial security if things went wrong. From my perspective we were 100% committed to each other and we've always considered ourselves life partners, but you can unfortunately never know the future.

About 3 months ago, DP had a sudden and very significant shift in her feelings about the relationship. She became very negative about me and told me several times that she didn't really like me anymore, she didn't enjoy spending time with me, she was thinking about leaving me etc. I still don't really understand where this came from or what triggered it, but obviously it was very upsetting and hurtful to hear.

A couple of weeks later, she wrote me a letter in which she again told me she was thinking about leaving me, but in this letter she also said she would consider staying with me provided we buy a house and agree to own everything 50/50 regardless of who has put what deposit in. I didn't find that very appealing given the context of the discussion (that she's already thinking about leaving). But we managed to agree that we could buy a cheaper place so we wouldn't need to put so much deposit in, and that way we could own it 50/50.

So we start looking at houses together. I feel pretty strongly that we really shouldn't be buying a house together if she's saying she doesn't like me anymore, and I suggest that we should rent for a short period and try to work on the relationship before deciding what to do next (also note we've never actually lived together before this point, so there are still some unknowns around that).

But DP is quite adamant that she isn't going to rent anymore and is going to buy a house either with or without me. DP also starts looking at some small flats for herself during this time, and tells me if she gets a place on her own then it won't be big enough for both of us and so it will mean she's definitely leaving me. DP does actually tentatively try to offer on a place for herself (she phones the agent in front of me), but gets outbid.

At one point DP does actually leave me, and we're split up for a coupe of weeks. I kept telling her I'm not going to give up, and I managed to convince her we should keep trying to work things out. So she (seemingly quite reluctantly) agrees to try again, but while also telling me several times that her heart isn't in it and she doesn't think there's any point.

We resume the house hunt. I'm still thinking it's a terrible idea, and I start having major anxiety about it. DP continues to make really negative and dispiriting comments every few days, e.g. saying she can't even name 3 things we have in common (I could probably name 50). Since we've agreed to look for a cheaper place, the forever home is now completely out of budget. So on top of everything else, it looks like I'm going to be buying a house that I don't even particularly like.

This goes on for another 3 weeks and we see about half a dozen places. Then DP gets angry at me for not liking any of the houses and basically says I've now got a 2 week deadline to find a place I'd be happy with.

This is pretty much the final straw for me. I tell DP that while I really want to buy a house with her at some point, I'm not going to do it unless we can work on getting our relationship to a better place first.

I suggest three alternatives which would allow us to move in together and work on things

  • Rent temporarily, work on things with a view to buying in 6 months or a year
  • I can buy the house outright, she can live there for free. If we work things out then when we get married in a couple of years (as was the plan) then it would become half hers anyway. If not, she'll have saved a bunch of money for her own deposit
  • I'll help her to buy her own place and I'll move in there with her. I can pay for renovations etc, or help out a bit with the deposit if she's short. If we buy a place together later she can choose whether to sell it or rent it out

DP isn't interested in even discussing any of the alternatives and tells me pretty much on the spot that it's over. This is about a month ago, and I've still been trying to convince her not to give up and that we can find a way through this. She has been absolutely adamant that she doesn't want to be with me, and has again been (in my opinion) frequently quite unkind with her words.

She is very angry and feels that I somehow betrayed her by not buying a house with her. But in reality we would almost certainly be going ahead with a purchase together now if she hadn't repeatedly told me she was thinking of leaving, and basically just started trashing the relationship seemingly out of nowhere. We'd talked about buying a house together almost since the beginning of the relationship and it was something that we both always wanted.

Anyway, in perhaps a final twist, she's recently softened a little and now says that she might reconsider if I can make a "sizeable" financial commitment (in her words, equivalent to a house). We already discussed and agreed previously that we would join finances and have a shared current account covering all outgoings/expenses (again prorated with me contributing more). The only thing that wouldn't go into the joint account would be our individual pension contributions. Given that, I'm not really sure what else I can offer? What does a "financial commitment equivalent to a house" even look like? I've asked DP to suggest some ideas but she's adamant that it's me that needs to figure it out (and again, there's a looming deadline).

I also can't shake my own feeling that DP has been quite unreasonable throughout this whole thing. The frequent threats to leave and forced deadlines etc have felt to me borderline abusive given the circumstances. And the current conversation is uncomfortably close to sounding like "I'm leaving you unless you give me lots of money".

Hoping someone might have some suggestions or general advice to share. I'm feeling quite broken after this whole ordeal and don't even know what to think anymore.

OP posts:
JustSomeRamdomGuy · 24/11/2024 21:49

MitochondriaUnited · 24/11/2024 21:33

She has quite strongly (from my perspective) traditional views of what commitment means, and thinks that any kind of arrangement made to mitigate the potential disaster of a future separation just means you're being "one foot in, one foot out".

Then what she wants is marriage.

Is that what you want @JustSomeRamdomGuy ?

Yes she does want marriage ultimately. She didn't when we first met (she was actually quite against it) but has changed her opinion on it more recently and now considers it a "need".

I've never particularly wanted to get married myself (I don't think it's a necessary component of a life partnership), but since she's said it's so important to her I did agree it's something we could do in the future if we can get the relationship back on a better footing first.

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TreadLightly3 · 24/11/2024 21:50

levantine · 24/11/2024 21:18

This is BS and exactly what you would say if you wanted to secure some money from a partner.

Exactly this

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 24/11/2024 21:52

SanctuaryCity · 24/11/2024 21:32

I can’t believe anyone would be this stupid. Why would you even consider staying with someone who treats you so badly?

Well, she treated me well and we were very happy together until just a few months ago when everything came off the rails. I wouldn't have tried so hard to work things out if it had always been this way.

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TheFormidableMrsC · 24/11/2024 21:53

@JustSomeRamdomGuy Why would you want to marry somebody who has told you she doesn't like you and that you have nothing in common? You say she didn't want marriage but now she does. I'd suggest she's been advised that if she married you she'd benefit from 50% of your wealth on divorce. Honestly, listen to the wise women of MN who can see you're being taken for an absolute mug.

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 24/11/2024 21:58

She's changed her mind regarding marriage because she now realises there's £500k that could have her name on it. You say she's only acting like a gold digger, I say she was acting like she wasn't one previously and this is the real her.

If someone told me they didn't like me and were thinking about leaving, I'd show them where the door is. And that counts for my DP of 20 years and father of my child. She's even saying, in not so many words, she doesn't like you but she'll take your money!

Sia8899 · 24/11/2024 21:58

Please please get some more self respect and understand that you can’t buy her love back. Your anxiety is completely justified, it’s your gut telling you you’re making a mistake. She just wants you for a nice place to live, she’s told you she doesn’t even like you

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 24/11/2024 22:00

Arlanymor · 24/11/2024 21:44

Why do you want to be with someone who says they don’t like you? Please wake up and smell the coffee. Find someone else who values you and doesn’t treat you as a cash cow.

I guess I've been hoping that maybe one day she might start liking me again (she liked me plenty until just a few months ago), realise she's been unreasonable, say sorry, and we'd live happily ever after.

But yeah, it doesn't look likely to happen.

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Chonk · 24/11/2024 22:01

OP you need to come to your senses and fast! You've never even lived together yet you were going to put £500k in and put up with a 3 hour commute?! Utter madness. She is 100% after your money. I can't understand why you'd want to be with someone who is 'absolutely adamant that she doesn't want to be with me'.

Chonk · 24/11/2024 22:03

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 24/11/2024 21:58

She's changed her mind regarding marriage because she now realises there's £500k that could have her name on it. You say she's only acting like a gold digger, I say she was acting like she wasn't one previously and this is the real her.

If someone told me they didn't like me and were thinking about leaving, I'd show them where the door is. And that counts for my DP of 20 years and father of my child. She's even saying, in not so many words, she doesn't like you but she'll take your money!

You say she's only acting like a gold digger, I say she was acting like she wasn't one previously and this is the real her.

Spot on 💯

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 24/11/2024 22:03

let her try to buy a house in her area with only a 20k deposit!! she just wants half you money. you would do well to dump this used!!@JustSomeRamdomGuy

GreengrassofW · 24/11/2024 22:03

It seems she views security as marriage or shared property, while you see it differently. Could this be a cultural difference or a deeper value mismatch?
Please be cautious and continue to rent. If she's impatient that's her problem.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 24/11/2024 22:04

Do not buy a house with this woman unless your initial investment is 100% protected.

Jazzjazzjazz · 24/11/2024 22:06

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 24/11/2024 21:49

Yes she does want marriage ultimately. She didn't when we first met (she was actually quite against it) but has changed her opinion on it more recently and now considers it a "need".

I've never particularly wanted to get married myself (I don't think it's a necessary component of a life partnership), but since she's said it's so important to her I did agree it's something we could do in the future if we can get the relationship back on a better footing first.

But she is disingenuous. She has one foot in and one foot out currently, and yet she wants you to make this big financial commitment? It seems she is all for the financial commitment side of it, but is still not sure if she’s even going to stay with you

Raineys · 24/11/2024 22:11

Please don't buy a paper with this woman who clearly doesn't like you.

You are very vulnerable to making a huge financial mistake that could ruin your retirement.

Protect your money and future.
This woman is not it.

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 24/11/2024 22:14

"I guess I've been hoping that maybe one day she might start liking me again (she liked me plenty until just a few months ago), realise she's been unreasonable, say sorry, and we'd live happily ever after.

But yeah, it doesn't look likely to happen."

You're worth so much more than that. Someone who will appreciate you is just around the corner. Don't waste time on this one when you can retire in 5 years after meeting your true love.

Joey699 · 24/11/2024 22:41

Ditch her and run for the hills as fast as you possibly can

Northernlassie123 · 24/11/2024 22:44

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 24/11/2024 22:00

I guess I've been hoping that maybe one day she might start liking me again (she liked me plenty until just a few months ago), realise she's been unreasonable, say sorry, and we'd live happily ever after.

But yeah, it doesn't look likely to happen.

Its hard when you love someone but my advice would be take a deep breath and take her at her word. She says she wants to end it . So wish her well and say goodbye. And leave it at that, Book a holiday or do on line dating , a favorite hobby or something to keep your mind off it.
If you’re nearing retirement age marriage under these conditions is a daft thing to consider honestly.

Bachellerie · 24/11/2024 22:46

To put it bluntly, this woman wouldn't cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire.

She wants your money and cannot stand you.

YellowAsteroid · 24/11/2024 22:59

Do not make any financial commitment to her.

healthybychristmas · 24/11/2024 23:36

I guess I've been hoping that maybe one day she might start liking me again

That is one of the saddest things I've heard. The problem is that if you withdraw now she will come closer and will flatter you and make promises and make you happy again. She won't mean it. She has told you she doesn't like you.

I am really sorry, I know that is really hard to hear. She has her eyes on your money and is being horrible to you so that you're being nice to her and making her promises.

It's a really messed up situation. You've done nothing wrong. She wants your money. Please don't ignore that.

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