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Dp lost his job and can't get another and has become miserable - not sure how much longer I can put up with it

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Caravano · 22/11/2024 08:50

Dp had a job last year that really stressed him out. He stopped sleeping properly, he was getting anxious and stressed all the time, he'd often wake up vomiting. I earn more than dp but at that stage, not by much (we're not married and have no dc together but individually have dc) but was hoping to slow down my work as I've recently been diagnosed with a chronic illness.

We discussed it and decided it would definitely be better if he found another job (and resigned from current one, as it was impacting his health so much) and he had a long notice period so thought he would find one in that time. But he didn't. The notice period came to the end and despite applying for literally hundreds of jobs, he didn't get one. He has a company he runs with 2 other people but the company can only afford 2 salaries so he has always done it in his free time. He decided he would try and get the company to grow so that in January, hopefully it would be able to afford 3 salaries - but the problem is that without investing money into it (which he doesn't have) it cant grow. They are trying to raise money but not sure how successful they will be.

In the meantime, I got headhunted for a new role (more money but also a lot more work). I don't want to take it but I've had to because without the certainty of his income, I need to earn more and I feel a knot in my stomach at the fact that I am going to have to try and handle a more stressful and difficult role at a time when I'd really like to be doing less.

Dp has started getting angry and negative about everything. He is furious in the morning as he feels he's not sleeping well even though when you look objectively at the hours he's slept it's loads. Anything I say he just snaps back at me - if i dare complain about my work now, he just replies really angrily with ridiculous suggestions like writing written complaints and going over my boss's head all of which would escalate the situation and when I say that won't work, he'll say why are you bothering even talking to me about it when you don't take my advice. I said I just want to chat about my day etc. and he's said he no longer wants to hear it. I'm finding being with him utterly miserable but if I say anything, I'm the bad one because he believes he's suffering most and he blames it on everything. He's over 50 so he said no one his age is getting roles because everyone is ageist, he is furious at the government for changing the NI rules as one role he was going for they have withdrawn with the excuse that they are no longer hiring due to the changes in the NI rate. I'm sure he is probably depressed but living with someone who is behaving this way is intolerable.

I tried to gently suggest he get some help but he feels a total failure as he can't get work and even if he was on antidepressants, it doesn't solve the issue that he has no money now (and he pays child support for 2dc and his exw is spending days screaming at him down the phone for him daring to try and reduce it). I feel for him and I do love him but I can't continue like this with someone spewing hatred of everything in life from the minute he wakes up to the minute he goes to bed - he's just so critical and negative.

Apart from asking him to leave ( he lives in my house) which would be a last resort as I would effectively be making him homeless, does anyone have any suggestions of what I could do next?

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Changedname23 · 22/11/2024 08:54

What area of work is he in? Would he take a temporary Christmas job? There are so many temporary roles out there at the moment? The other job sounds a bit pie in the sky (with no wage). I'd be having serious words with him and be telling him to ship up or ship out. You don't deserve to live with this negativity

WhatTheKey · 22/11/2024 08:57

I feel for both of you. It's a shit situation. But ultimately you're not responsible for another person's MH, and I do think that depression is very infectious and affects the whole household. I would find it very difficult to expose my children to a depressive atmosphere tbh.
I would sit him down and tell him seriously how you feel. That you love him but you can't cope with the way he is, and the fact that he isn't getting help. That you can't live like this and unless he sorts himself out, you will be asking him to leave.
Sorry you're going through this OP.

Caravano · 22/11/2024 09:00

Thanks so much for your comments and understanding.

He works in IT/operations - it seems vague to me and I think this is why he's struggling to find another role. He doesn't have the up to date knowledge he would need for a 'current' IT role and operations roles are not that common. The last company he worked at was an American tech company but with a horrendous bullying culture and I think it was that job that really knocked him into depression and it's hit his confidence and I imagine this might be coming across in interviews.

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HellonHeels · 22/11/2024 09:05

WhatTheKey · 22/11/2024 08:57

I feel for both of you. It's a shit situation. But ultimately you're not responsible for another person's MH, and I do think that depression is very infectious and affects the whole household. I would find it very difficult to expose my children to a depressive atmosphere tbh.
I would sit him down and tell him seriously how you feel. That you love him but you can't cope with the way he is, and the fact that he isn't getting help. That you can't live like this and unless he sorts himself out, you will be asking him to leave.
Sorry you're going through this OP.

Agree with this.

He seems to be becoming borderline abusive. If he won't engage in a serious discussion and get help, he needs to go. You do not have to prop up an abusive man.

purpleme12 · 22/11/2024 09:06

Oh god i found it so hard not having a job/looking for a job

Mind you eventually I just got A job rather than a job I was looking for. I felt better with A job

Surely that's better than nothing for him?

I do feel for him

But also feel for you as it sounds horrible

Don't know what to say other than keeping trying to make him get help/go to doctors or get A job

EmotionalSupportBiscuit · 22/11/2024 09:07

If he’s been out of IT and his skills aren’t up to date, he needs to accept that he is highly unlikely to get another role at the level he left. Redundancies are rife among IT teams in companies I know at the moment.

Firstly the household needs money, so he needs to get a job. Any job. Supermarket delivery driver, in-store, seasonal retail - anything that brings money in.

That doesn’t stop him keep looking for an IT role but the important thing is he will be working, which will give him both income and purpose back.

Investing some money into a career coach might be useful but only if he’s going to take their advice which will probably be to branch out.

Of course you want to support him but he’s got to help himself first.

Caravano · 22/11/2024 09:07

I can try and speak to him about temp Xmas jobs but one of his friends (who is 53) has applied for them and not been accepted to any and he's now convinced himself he won't get one - I will speak to him though

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EmotionalSupportBiscuit · 22/11/2024 09:12

His friend might have had all sorts of reasons why he didn’t get one. Your DH is not his friend. Ugh, I’m annoyed just reading about his negativity, I really feel for you having to live with it for so long!

BellissimoGecko · 22/11/2024 09:14

He should stop working in the business that can't afford to pay him! How cheeky of the others, to take salaries but not pay your h.

He should also consider temp or p/t jobs. And is he on Indeed? Is he with agencies?

BellissimoGecko · 22/11/2024 09:15

WhatTheKey · 22/11/2024 08:57

I feel for both of you. It's a shit situation. But ultimately you're not responsible for another person's MH, and I do think that depression is very infectious and affects the whole household. I would find it very difficult to expose my children to a depressive atmosphere tbh.
I would sit him down and tell him seriously how you feel. That you love him but you can't cope with the way he is, and the fact that he isn't getting help. That you can't live like this and unless he sorts himself out, you will be asking him to leave.
Sorry you're going through this OP.

And this.

You have to think about yourself too. He needs to take responsibility for his MH and not take it all out on you.

Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit · 22/11/2024 09:17

Ultimately you can't control this situation. He is in a difficult place I know I have been bullied at work and my MH really was impacted. The sleep thing is familiar to me as well as a life long insomniac but as you have spotted it's about an emotional reaction to how he feels about sleep rather than how much sleep he gets.
Unfortunately those posters who are saying you may have to be blunt with him and even end the relationship are right. If someone has mental health issues they need professional help you are not that professional and it's your life as well.
My local council and even the job centre run workshops and services for people in his situation get employment, but again this is something he needs to look into not you.
I have sympathy for you both but only he can help himself, as I think you realise.

Newgirls · 22/11/2024 09:21

Can he sign with a temp agency as they are more likely to want the IT / admin skills he can offer? He might like working in an office more than a Christmas place?

is he getting outside for walks etc to boost his mood?

Catoo · 22/11/2024 09:31

Have the talk with him OP. That he can’t carry on with this poor attitude. You won’t put up with it as it’s unfair to you and DC. If it doesn’t improve you will need to go your separate ways.

Dont talk to him about work. Men like to come up with solutions not just listen and agree, sadly. His brain will always start with solutions. And in his bad mood and depressed unemployed situation he’s going to go in with the most exaggerated solutions.

Google volunteer / charity jobs. There are whole boards of them. He can volunteer his IT services. While volunteering there may be training opportunities. Much more likely to be considered for a job if he’s doing something like this. And be in the right place if a paid opportunity arises.

He should probably drop that other job if he gets no wage. Maybe he can offer doing work for them on an hourly rate instead. If it’s development work they may be able to claim back part of what they pay him in tax credits.

He should also go for seasonal roles doing anything. Supermarkets Royal Mail Delivery drivers etc.

ViciousCurrentBun · 22/11/2024 09:40

He needs to negotiate something with the business who are using him. How did that set up start? My friends DH is being made redundant. She msg me a couple of days ago and I haven’t chatted to her yet but he works in credit card security in IT on a very decent wage. She is in utter shock at the moment and I’m wondering if the work is being sent overseas.

Caravano · 22/11/2024 09:45

Thanks all, you've come up with some really good options.

Dp was v snappy this morning and has taken the dog with him to go and see one of his friends. He's just arrived and sent me a long text message apologising for being snappy. I actually cried this morning which is so unlike me (and why i wrote the post on mumsnet!). He's said being bullied at work has just made him a shell of himself and then the knock to his confidence of not getting work. I've told him to enjoy his day with his friend and we'll chat later when he's back and I've finished work. At least he realises he is being unreasonable - I was so upset this morning - and we can at least now have a conversation tonight without him being on the attack!

I didn't think of volunteer work - that's actually a good idea and might help build his confidence again.

@Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit sorry to hear about you being bullied at work too, it's just a terrible thing isn't it. His boss used to publicly humiliate anyone who he didn't think was performing and did it regularly and often in front of customers too. The company is now going bust which is of no surprise to me!

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Hoppinggreen · 22/11/2024 10:01

If he is not being paid for working in his Business than its basically a hobby and while thats ok while he hasn't got anything better to do long term if it can't support 3 wages then there needs to be fewer than 3 people involved.

Sugarflub · 22/11/2024 10:06

The job market is tough at the moment, but he needs to come to terms with the fact he is unlikely to walk into another job in his sector if his skills set is out of date and consider other options. The company thing is absolutely wild, why on earth is he working for free when the other 2 are taking a wage? Does he have a financial stake in it?

I'd leave if he wasn't actively putting in plans to change, this is an utterly miserable way to live for you and your life is being affected by having to work a more stressful job for no real gain.

52crumblesofautumn · 22/11/2024 10:16

I sympathise - I work in tech and the US firms where aggressive US work culture dominates have been hands down the worst to work for, unless you are 25 and on a fast upward trajectory, love to work and want all the experience fast.

I agree both to making it clear that change needs to happen, and, to do anything to rebuild his self esteem that brings in some money.

It's hard I'm 40s and you work with younger and younger people and if you haven't progressed to mgr snr mgr etc it's tough mentally.

bigkidatheart · 22/11/2024 10:29

Has he looked into digital security courses online, they are crying out for people with IT background

Also, the business he has, have they looked into government grants and other grants? What kind of business is that?

All, check out the work from home hub - UK on Facebook - they have a lot of remote jobs on there and often IT ones. Have to apply quick though

52crumblesofautumn · 22/11/2024 10:32

It's rubbish for you though- chronic illness and a more stressful job, and angry and depressed dp, no, that's not ok either.

Nothatgingerpirate · 22/11/2024 10:33

EmotionalSupportBiscuit · 22/11/2024 09:12

His friend might have had all sorts of reasons why he didn’t get one. Your DH is not his friend. Ugh, I’m annoyed just reading about his negativity, I really feel for you having to live with it for so long!

Yes, this.
I'm afraid he would not live in my house for long.

Spirallingdownwards · 22/11/2024 10:38

If he owns the business equally with 2 others and they are all doing an equal amount of week the 2 salaries need to be split between the 3 of them. That's the first change he initiates today.

Then he sets realistic expectations as to the type of job he can do now. If he has no j come how is he paying maintenance to the ex. Please don't say you are paying.

I think enough is enough and time to tell him to leave actually.

Bachboo · 22/11/2024 10:44

bigkidatheart · 22/11/2024 10:29

Has he looked into digital security courses online, they are crying out for people with IT background

Also, the business he has, have they looked into government grants and other grants? What kind of business is that?

All, check out the work from home hub - UK on Facebook - they have a lot of remote jobs on there and often IT ones. Have to apply quick though

I second this post. There are a lot of jobs going in IT security at the moment

VestPantsandSocks · 22/11/2024 10:45

I would cut him some slack, the job market is very tough right now and it's always easier to find a job when you are in a job.

Perhaps he can broaden his job search by applying for slightly more junior roles or locations further afield or call centre roles or public sector roles.

He can brush up his skills via online courses.

It's a tough time for all of you.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 22/11/2024 10:50

Sorry you’re going through this it must be very difficult.

I agree with PP - get him to sign up with a recruitment agency. He may have more luck with public sector jobs than private sector so look there too (Civil Service, Police, Council)