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Male friend has shattered my head.

46 replies

ICantGetNoSleeeeep · 21/11/2024 09:36

To cut a long story short, we had a fling a long time ago and stayed friends. We're very close but just not compatible. We've been friends for a long time, and know each other inside out.

Last week he went radio silent which is very unlike him so I worried something had happened to him (he's had heart issues recently). I gave it a couple of days and called him but he didn't answer. I then found out from another friend that he had been arrested for inappropriate behaviour online, sexual chat(s) with underage girls. So far as I know he didn't try to meet anyone and he appears to be using this as justification to minimise what he's done.

I just can't get my head around it all. We're friends (were?) so I feel I should be supportive but I just can't. He has preteen daughters ffs. I can't believe how selfish he's been or that he's so dismissive of what he's done and the damage he's caused to innocent girls.

I've distanced myself, as have our other friends. Part of me feels sorry for him as he'll probably lose everything but the other part of me thinks good, he deserves to.

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EmeraldRoulette · 21/11/2024 09:47

I am someone who believes in supporting friends to the ends of the earth

but not here! There is no excuse for this.

I am sorry. What a horrible shock.

TipsyJoker · 21/11/2024 09:52

Part of me feels sorry for him

Don’t! He’s a pedophile! He deserves to rot in jail. Personally, I think these monsters should be placed with the general population in jail. They deserve everything they get.

And hes not even remorseful! He’s the worst kind of predator. You don’t know him. You know what he’s shown you. People like this are very sneaky and you never truly know them or what they are capable of until they get caught. Remember, this is only what he’s been caught for. I dread to think what else he might have been up to online or elsewhere!

Lavenderblossoms · 21/11/2024 09:53

He would be dead to me here from out.

Your empathy is because you are a good person and still in shock. But don't waste it on the likes of him.

PrimalLass · 21/11/2024 09:55

Your subject line makes it should like he violently assaulted you.

Anyway - no he's a dangerous man so stay well away.

ChimneySweepLiverpool · 21/11/2024 10:33

I think the title of this post should be edited as it seems like assault?

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 21/11/2024 10:39

Absolutely horrific. These men have an ability to separate underage girls from their own daughters.
What a terrible state they will be in finding that out about their own father.
They are the ones who need support. That’s not your job, by the way!

FrauPaige · 21/11/2024 10:51

These men have an ability to separate underage girls from their own daughters

Are we certain of that?

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 21/11/2024 10:53

FrauPaige · 21/11/2024 10:51

These men have an ability to separate underage girls from their own daughters

Are we certain of that?

Well sadly some of them don’t and abuse their own children.

Laura36TTC · 21/11/2024 11:12

Sounds like an EX friend to me.

No contact from now is the only thing you can do

TheCatterall · 21/11/2024 11:13

@ICantGetNoSleeeeep hes not just been selfish. He’s a creepy pedophile sexualising underage girls and getting off on it.

I’d never contact him again and he’d be dead to me.

Sugarflub · 21/11/2024 11:14

I don't think there's any expectation in this situation for you to remain friends at all or to be supportive.

ItGhoul · 21/11/2024 11:14

FrauPaige · 21/11/2024 10:51

These men have an ability to separate underage girls from their own daughters

Are we certain of that?

Some do, some don't. It's not black and white. People who commit sex offences against underage kids vary hugely in their motivations, pattern of offending and interests.

OP, I could not feel sorry for someone who knowingly sent explicit messages to underage girls, whether he met them or not. It's not like he didn't know what he was doing and he clearly has an interest in kids or underage teens, because he specifically sought them out to chat. If he was just interested in sex chat, he could have done that with adult women; it's not difficult. But he actively looked for underage girls. If one of my friends had done this, I'd never speak to them again.

GettingThemFromHereToThere · 21/11/2024 11:17

You don't owe unconditional love to a friend, a paedophile friend non the less.

Do kids receive unconditional love? Sure, probably. But not friends.

Stop feeling guilty. He is a danger to children. He may not physically be yet, but this will grow and develop if it hasn't already.

He is willing to ruin children's lives, don't feel bad for him, feel bad for the bloody kids.

DreamyJadeMoose · 21/11/2024 11:17

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OliviaRodrighost · 21/11/2024 11:21

Save your pity for the innocent girls he was grooming and his daughters.

CrumblyOwl · 21/11/2024 11:33

I would try & get in touch with him before cutting him off.

You only have this on the hearsay of a friend - what if it isn't true?

AGameOfPatience · 21/11/2024 11:36

What a horrible shock for you. It must take a lot of being your head around that someone you (at least thought) you knew so well in every other way is capable of this.

However, your rational mind must know that it's so beyond the pale there is no coming back from it and that this is the end of your friendship. Thank your lucky stars that you didn't end up in a romantic relationship with this man and have your life tangled up with his to that extent.

It's easy to focus on - and even persuade yourself to pity - the person standing right in front of your face (it's one of the problems with our criminal justice system in my view - too much focus on the offender), but please spend some time actually imagining this situation from the point of view of those poor children. That will temper your empathy for this paedophile pretty quickly, I should think.

I'm so sorry for you.

Sdpbody · 21/11/2024 11:40

Paedophiles deserve be killed. They do not deserve sympathy.

DazedAndConfused321 · 21/11/2024 11:50

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TotallyFloored · 21/11/2024 12:14

This is such an emotive topic (and rightly so) but I have found that everyone has such a strong opinion of what they would do and what should be done in circumstances such as this. However, until it actually happens to you, it is a situation that you cannot reasonably begin to fathom and people react differently to how you would expect. And once it happens to you, you speak to others in a similar situation and find it is true for them to. We do not react how we think we would.

I have been in a similar situation and my previously very strong, very judgemental feelings have changed. My ex-h was arrested for downloading images of CSA. Now, I did leave him and have kept my children away from him, however the situation is not as clear cut as people want to believe and you have a lot to process about someone you thought you knew.

I am a few years down the line but still have unanswered questions (that will always remain so) and conflicting feelings. Was he always like that or did his feelings develop, how much of our relationship was a lie and how much was true, how much did he manipulate me and others, how long did it go on for, how long did he struggle and not act on his feelings or did he always act and was just unlucky to be caught ? You can drive yourself mad as you will never really know the truth and you have to accept that fact.

I can never be ok with what he did, but no one choses to be that way, so there is a degree of feeling sorry for someone you have known, liked and even loved for so long. However, it is probably one of the worst crimes so you feel like they deserve what is coming to them. Conflicting feelings that you feel guilty for having because surely anyone who commits these types of crimes is evil. But how do you reconcile that with the person who you thought of as a decent man ?

It is an absolute mindf*ck. I know you are a step away from my situation, but one thing about these situations is the ripple effect of people affected by the behaviour - direct victims, family, friends, colleagues. There are so many people hurt.

Good luck.

AlertCat · 21/11/2024 12:23

Even the best friends don’t owe support when someone does something heinous. This falls into that category IMO. As others have said, he would be dead to me and my sympathy wholly for his dc and their mum.

TotallyFloored · 21/11/2024 12:30

I'd also add that the vitriol aimed at you by some posters is just awful and probably contributes to the low rates of women leaving men such as this. I always feel the need to post on these situations as I hope I can reach at least one person.

I had no idea - I am an intelligent, educated, professional type. I did things "right". I knew him years, we waited years to get married, have kids etc... And I was totally blindsided.

When your world implodes and the police turn up at your door, you do not want to believe it. How could someone you know and love do this, surely it is a mistake. You are given limited information by the police as you are not a direct victim, and the men will inevitably minimise their behaviour. You will want to believe them - otherwise how could you get it so wrong ? It will take years to come to court and during that time, you will be told little to nothing. If they plead guilty, limited information comes out at court (only enough for sentencing) so you still don't know the full truth. Maybe (probably) you never will.

You are told by the police to keep it quiet because they are worried about consequences from the public if it becomes known. So you are further isolated. You are handed leaflets from organisations that help these offenders - but they are focused on how to move forward and forgive, because ultimately they are there to help the offender and not you. So another pressure to stay and forgive.

Then there is the choice to leave - find somewhere new to live, maybe you have no job, try to manage any children alone possibly with limited or no family support. All more pressure on you. And that is without the financial pressure from losing an income (and there is likely to be little/no child support as they will lose their job).

However, you are not a direct victim or the offender, so there is no funding or counselling available for you if you do chose to leave - only if you stay. I am under no illusions that my choices would have been so much harder if I did not have my amazing family support and a decent job.

Then there is the guilt - how could you not have seen it ? What about the poor victim ? What will you tell your own children now that they father has suddenly been removed from their lives ? What about when their friends find out what he has done ? What about your kids friends who have been in your home ? You feel you are the last person who deserves sympathy.

And then you get comments like that from @DazedAndConfused321, who should be ashamed of themselves. But, it is easier for people to blame you and assume you knew or are complicit. They wouldn't ever fall for someone like that, so would never have such complicated feelings arising from discovering what you knew was a lie. It is easier to believe you knew, because the alternative is accepting the fact that these people are master manipulators hiding in plain sight and the person they know and possibly share their lives with could be so convincing as to have tricked them too. It is such an awful thought that people do not want to accept it. I knew my ex for nearly 20 years and I never saw it coming. Neither did anyone who knew him.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 21/11/2024 12:41

Just for clarity I pointed out that some men in this position target underage girls but manage to see them very separately from their own daughters as I heard an interview on a great podcast with a detective involved in such cases.
He said when you point out to these offenders that they have teenage daughters, they are shocked. As in they see them as young girls, unblemished, nobody would dare to message them and they are basically seen as ‘good’ girls.
They view the girls they contact and go on to abuse entirely differently, I am afraid.
There was a thread on here recently from a female escort which was really awful to read - she is an adult, but said lots of men are targeting young female escorts of 18, wanting the whole underage fantasy. They are becoming increasingly violent and aggressive.
These men have always existed. You only have to look at the Jimmy Saville scandal, and he was just one man. But it seems the growth of online use, social media and the widespread viewing of underage girls on porn sites, who are obviously clearly abused and forced, which makes it rape, is making these crimes more common.
We tend to have a fixed idea of what this ‘man’ looks and lives like but sadly many appear normal.
It is an horrific crime, it destroys the spirit of any young person involved.

BeensOnToost · 21/11/2024 12:49

Hes not even sorry.

A solicitor will say in court that he was having a hard time and had a lapse in judgement and has good family and friends to prevent another episode. I wouldn't want to be part of that narrative. Fuck him.

KoalaCalledKevin · 21/11/2024 12:52

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I don't think that's fair at all.

If it's someone you're close to, I imagine it can be very hard to reconcile the person you thought you knew with the information you now have about them. I imagine that emotionally it's very difficult to learn that the person you thought was basically a good person has done something like this. You've lost a friend, you can feel sorry that the person you thought you knew and the relationship you had is gone, along with everything else in their life.

None of that is "aww poor paedophile". I imagine it's more "I feel sorry for the good man I thought existed but it turns out doesn't".

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