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WWYD - loving 2 people, breaking my heart

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bookmacair · 20/11/2024 03:04

There's a man who loves me and has been waiting for me to leave my H for over a year. He left his wife for me and has been waiting - not committing to a long term tenancy, not making career plans, because if I leave H I may need to move away for financial reasons and logistical reasons re dc(9) and he would follow me. I did leave for a short time when H told me to get out during a horrible argument, to go back to my hometown to clear my head, and OM was wonderful to me. He fixed my car and things around my house, cooked for me, planted a garden for me, listened to me for hours. I went back out of fear of the unknown. And yet he stuck around. I know he really loves me.

My affair started just over a year ago. OM is kind and calm. We have the exact same taste in music/movies/books and are both very close to our families of origin with similar values. I feel more open with him sexually than i ever have in my life. We talk for hours. Laugh together, cry together. I know I'm a shit for this, but he makes me feel like myself - maybe for the first time in my adult life. I can speak my mind freely, I can be funny and open and bold, I'm not just a housekeeper and mother which is how I feel at home a lot of the time.

H has ground me down over the years with a tendency to sulk or fly off the handle quickly; it's ruined days out and holidays with and without dc. Our communication and to some extent my personality has completely subsided just to keep the peace. And when there's 'peace' we are OK - nice holidays, quiet family evenings in front of the TV and shopping trips, mealtimes together. But if I didn't plan our lives nothing would really happen, and I know dc feels ignored by H a lot of the time. I think H didn't adjust well to having kids and needs a LOT of downtime, much of which is spent video gaming. It's been like this for years. It used to upset me but I don't even comment anymore. I feel so suffocated at home, lonely and un-seen. It doesn't excuse the affair I started about a year ago, but I was so hopeless. I remember turning 35 a month before I met OM and thinking: if I want another dc (which I really do), I have to sort out my marriage or leave because H and I can't have another the way things are.

Now, things have finally come to a head. I told H about the affair a little while ago and while very angry, he says he has hope and wants us to try and make things work. He says we will give it to the end of dc's school year. I know that if I decide to make things work with H, I will have to cut off OM. I also know that the benefits of staying together and trying to make it work are there for dc- her quality of life won't be affected, she can stay in her school/with friends. And i do still love H in my own way. It may not be the passionate feeling or emotional connection i have for OM, but often when I am in a place H and I have been happy I feel very sad about the idea of losing him, same when me and dc go somewhere together that we might have gone as a family it feels like I might always miss H and our family unit if I give up. I'd miss cuddling with H in bed which has so often been my safe space. I'd miss his lovely family who are everything mine aren't and again, are a safe place for me. I'd miss our in-jokes, our adventures on holiday, our Christmas traditions. He made me a promise when we first dated that he'd always buy me any books I wanted because I love books, and he still does. The last time we discussed divorce we both broke down. It's just so sad. We were so in love once, before all of the arguments, resentment and bullshit. But it's been years of that. H loves me, i know, but i think he finds my personality difficult. The amount of times he has said I'm damaged, broken, difficult, that I don't like a man telling me what to do, that I've never gotten over my parents divorce, that I'm a 'shit wife' (in those words.) I am fiesty and I argue back and he hates that.

I just don't know what to do now as I feel I am at a crossroads. OM has waited faithfully for me and maintains that he's been in love with me since our first long conversation. A life with him would be less dramatic, I think- he is a little older and has a calm demeanour and hates arguing and is quick to apologise. The opposite of my H. I can't bear the thought of never seeing him again, of wondering 'what if?' And yet - H has his faults but I think I still love him. I also feel an obligation to my little family to give it a real go. If I stay, with our joint finances I can afford to go to individual counselling and figure out what led me to the affair - I'm not naive enough to think the affair is a cause rather than a symptom. I can also get my career in a better place in case things don't work out. H feels like hom and I'm exhausted from the past year. Even if i don't have more dc, I can focus on the dc I have and give her everything she needs.

And yet- my mum, who has watched the downward trajectory of my and H's relationship, urges me to leave. She has a rental property dc and I could start over in. She has witnessed some of our arguments/tension and can't stand my H. She also tells me that she still regrets, 40 years later, leaving a man she loved in favour of security. The main thing that goes round round in my head right now is that I know I don't want to sleep with H or even kiss him. I don't even like his sex noises, I don't know how to get that back, if I could I would feel more optimistic.

I don't want to lose OM. But I also feel so incredibly sad at the thought of losing H and our family life. It seems like less people will be hurt for less time, if I stay with my H and work hard at my marriage. But what if this is a chance at happiness?

OP posts:
Amuseaboosh · 20/11/2024 03:26

End the marriage.

End the affair.

Work on creating a life for YOU without any man.

Give it time, and if later, OM is still waiting, give it a go.

3luckystars · 20/11/2024 03:48

I think you should be in your own for a while before jumping into another relationship. I know it’s hard to be on your own.

But you can do hard things. Good luck x

Knulp · 20/11/2024 04:35

if you think you have found true love after knowing someone for a year, and even then without actually living with them and sharing 100% of yourself and seeing 100% of them, I think that is a bit naive.

If you stick with your H, you may be able to build and grow together, which is what I think marriage is all about, if you jump ship, you may find yourself in exactly the same situation with him once both of you are not playing your most attractive selves.

A year is nothing, it takes several years to really know someone and who knows how your OM will be once he has his prize.

Personally I would focus on the marriage, dump the OM, give it your best shot, and then if that does not work, as a few people have said, be on your own for a while and see what happens if he is still around.

Sorry to say this, but it also might help that once you don't have two men fighting over you, you might see things a bit clearer and maybe slightly less from a self absorbed point of view.

Good Luck

Pinkbonbon · 20/11/2024 04:47

I'm inclined to say start over on your own. Take your mum's offer up on the rental property.

The other man...look, you can't move another man in if you leave with your daughter. At least, not for another several years. That would be more upheaval for her.

Personally I wouldn't want a man who wasn't my daughters father under her roof ever. But either way, certainly not any time soon. So that adds years onto when you could marry/try for kids.

Not to mention, when things are all fun and uncertainty, it's an adventure. But chances are that won't last.

As for husband... I did think about saying consider staying and pursuing marriage councilling. But honestly it sound like you're done. And that's OK. Maybe if you leave (not for the other man) it can remain amicable.
But you can't stay in a sexless marriage filled with contempt. Your daughter will pick up on the animosity just as your mother did.

Choose option c. Yourself.

SensetheTone · 20/11/2024 04:51

Not a word of remorse for the other marriage you have ended, OP. I wonder if there were children involved in that relationship whose lives your selfishness has inextricably changed for the worse (if the OM is so great, he wouldn’t have been cheating on his wife…). Either work on things with your husband, or end things with your husband and try being on your own for a bit.

You sound just like my STBXH who had an affair - of course things aren’t as exciting with your husband as they were 10+ years ago when you first got together - life and kids get in the way. When you’ve been with OM for years and are picking his dirty pants up off the floor and he’s stopped being on his best behaviour, fixing your car etc. you’ll probably feel the same about him. And you’ve broken up two families to end up there. You clearly have no morals.

TielEater · 20/11/2024 04:52

Fuck sake, another one of these. 🤨

DarcyProudman · 20/11/2024 06:24

Well, he sounds like a real catch. But then, so do you. He’s cheated on his wife and left her for you. What do you think he’s going to do when life with you gets a bit boring? Oh yes, he’ll move on to the next woman 🤣

waterbottle1234 · 20/11/2024 06:27

Leave your husband and be on your own for a bit.

PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister · 20/11/2024 06:28

Leave both of them.

sort out a life without a man and decide what you really want.

Elasticatedtrousers · 20/11/2024 06:29

Absolutely depressing seeing the number of women who take the road of corroborating with a nasty cheat in the removal of his wife’s right to sexual consent and her personal agency and assist in her abuse to get out of their own ‘unhappy’ marriage.

There will always be sympathy on here but you’ll get none from me.

You have just passed your pain onto an innocent woman rather than deal with it. A woman who is just a byline in your great dilemma. No ounce of remorse or concern.

He sounds like a prince amongst men. Seriously go you’re made for each other (so grim).

CandidFinch · 20/11/2024 06:29

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Justsayit123 · 20/11/2024 06:32

end both relationships and have a break/space before deciding your future

WinterFoxes · 20/11/2024 06:34

Keep at the front of your mind that life with OM will be nothing like the affair with OM. He would be navigating living with a very distressed child, and your focus and energy would and should be on soothing and settling her into a new life, not on having amazing sex and discussing shared taste in books. You don't know what this man is like to live with day to day.
As Pp suggest, move out first, with your DD, for a year. Make a life together with her, then if things are still working out with the other man, work on moving in together.

Lurkingandlearning · 20/11/2024 06:43

I think your marriage has run its course. It’s unlikely counselling would save it because of the feelings you have for OM.

There is always sadness when a marriage ends. (Perhaps not marriages where there has been appalling abuse but sometimes even then there is sadness for what should’ve been.) Don’t let that sadness fool you into staying in an unhappy marriage. If you do that sadness will soon be replaced by intense resentment.

End your marriage, take your daughter to the house your mother has offered you. Don’t have the other man move, just see how the relationship develops when the thrill/ charge from it being an affair is gone. When the intensity of an affair is replaced by the mundanity of regular life, the relationship sometimes peters out.

NewGreenDuck · 20/11/2024 07:16

You have talked yourself into thinking that the OM is going to be perfect and that your husband is the opposite. I would suggest that you leave, live by yourself and find out exactly what you want.
No one is perfect. The OM could well become as 'bad' as your husband. He's on his best behaviour now. Marriage is really a long slog. Living with another person for 40 or 50 years has its good and bad times. Of course no one should be unhappy but the reality is that it's bloody hard work.
Just leave.

SquishyGloopyBum · 20/11/2024 07:22

Two seperate things here.

Your marriage sounds awful. You should leave. It sounds like you are confusing love with routine and familiarity. Your mum even thinks you should leave.

The OM. If it's meant to be, it will happen. But you need to be alone for a bit, not jump straight in. Take your time.

Thevelvelletes · 20/11/2024 07:24

Sorry I couldn't read through all of that self pitying crap.

Elasticatedtrousers · 20/11/2024 07:36

Think if OP had ANY intention of going it alone and dealing with the ups and downs of life as a single mum, she would have left this terribly ‘unhappy’ marriage without assisting this man in the abuse of his wife.

She’s monkey branching, looking for a safe landing, doubt whether she’s enjoying the comments about going it alone.

TwistedWonder · 20/11/2024 07:36

Another sub Mills & Boon self indulgent poor me pity party wanting sympathy for being compliant in shattering another woman’s world.

These essay length wallowing threads seems to be getting more regular.

Gastropod · 20/11/2024 07:38

SquishyGloopyBum · 20/11/2024 07:22

Two seperate things here.

Your marriage sounds awful. You should leave. It sounds like you are confusing love with routine and familiarity. Your mum even thinks you should leave.

The OM. If it's meant to be, it will happen. But you need to be alone for a bit, not jump straight in. Take your time.

This. ^

Relationships end. It's not unusual. And it's fairer to everybody involved to recognise that and have a clean break, instead of dragging it out and prolonging the agony for everyone.

But rushing into the next relationship as a quick fix isn't wise, until you've taken some time alone, and most importantly, adjusted to life as a co-parent. If there are kids involved you really have to slow down and put their needs first - though that does not mean that you should stay in an unhappy marriage. A new family dynamic as co-parents is possible, and can be very positive, especially if your kids sense that life at home is unhappy - but you need to make that healthy dynamic your priority long before bringing a new partner into the mix.

Some therapy or counselling is also a good idea, as it should help you understand what you want and how to get there without causing irreparable harm to yourself and others.

There's nothing wrong with ending a relationship that has run its course. But you can't have your cake and eat it, and keeping everybody - including yourself -dangling is the worst thing you can possibly do.

GiraffeTree · 20/11/2024 07:42

Neither of these men sound right for you OP. But if you really want advice, I'd say finish it with OM and try to make things work with your husband.

Lollollol2020 · 20/11/2024 08:08

I’d say take the flat and work on yourself. Could then assess the situation with the OM.

5FeetToBeExact · 20/11/2024 08:19

SensetheTone · 20/11/2024 04:51

Not a word of remorse for the other marriage you have ended, OP. I wonder if there were children involved in that relationship whose lives your selfishness has inextricably changed for the worse (if the OM is so great, he wouldn’t have been cheating on his wife…). Either work on things with your husband, or end things with your husband and try being on your own for a bit.

You sound just like my STBXH who had an affair - of course things aren’t as exciting with your husband as they were 10+ years ago when you first got together - life and kids get in the way. When you’ve been with OM for years and are picking his dirty pants up off the floor and he’s stopped being on his best behaviour, fixing your car etc. you’ll probably feel the same about him. And you’ve broken up two families to end up there. You clearly have no morals.

This.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/11/2024 08:27

Once you become a parent, your child comes first. It would be far better for your child if you stayed and tried to make things work with your husband. If you really can't make it work, then you need to be single for a while and focus on her. They'll be plenty of time for you to date when she's an adult.

ChristmasFluff · 20/11/2024 08:44

What kind of person do you want to be, OP? Brave? Independent? Dutiful? Dependable? Loyal? Trailblazing? Kind? Idealistic? Pathetic? Dependant? Generous? Mean? Or what?

Decide what kind of person you want to be, and then do what that sort of person would do. We are the sum of our actions.

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