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I'm just too old for this shit now. Too tired and too old..

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GoldStarSun · 31/10/2024 16:25

That's it really. Familial abuse until I cut contact in my 30s. Shit relationships that have been at best just shit and at worst, abusive.

Been single for most of my adult life as a result. I've not really done the whole 'dating' thing. Only dated men I'd actually got to know beforehand. Men who were previously friends. Not men who were players; not cheaters; not men where I'd overlooked 100 red flags. Always been happy on my own but sometimes, you meet someone and think it might be worth a shot...

Started seeing someone I'd known for a few years 3 years ago and it's just not working. We get on great. But the relationship isn't working.

I've just had enough now.

I'm sick of being too this or not enough that. I'm sick of men trying to change me or suggesting ways in which I could be 'more'. Making crappy comments and then trying to pass it off as 'just a joke'. Saying things and denying it. Lying.

I'd cry except that I haven't got it in me. I've got nothing left. I'm just a shell. I've lost my sparkle.

I don't want to face the rest of my life on my own. I thought I'd found someone I could grow old with but it seems not. It was also nice having some spare money to actually enjoy life with and someone to share that with. Someone just to share life with.

I've always done it on my own. Even when I've not been single, I've done it all on my own.

I brought two children up to adulthood on my own and I'm so proud of them. I've always worked, built a career, had hobbies, friends. But, whilst my career is OK, it's hard. I haven't had the support to enable me to invest in friendships (no family) enough for them to withstand the test of time. Only.two years ago, I had hobbies, friends, a social life and now I just feel like it's over. A burden.

I sometimes wish I could quietly slip.away. in many ways, I suppose I have. No friends, no hobbies, nothing to look forward to. And no real motivation to change it because each time I bounce back, it hurts all the more when I fall again.

I'm just tired.

I don't really expect anything from this. I just needed to tell someone.

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RatherBeRiding · 31/10/2024 16:30

You are obviously having a very hard time at the moment - you sound very down and just generally unhappy and lonely. I hear you. No advice - I don't think you need advice, sounds like you just want to let it all out and have your feelings validated. Well vent away - we'll listen to you.

Be kind to yourself.

GoldStarSun · 31/10/2024 16:37

RatherBeRiding · 31/10/2024 16:30

You are obviously having a very hard time at the moment - you sound very down and just generally unhappy and lonely. I hear you. No advice - I don't think you need advice, sounds like you just want to let it all out and have your feelings validated. Well vent away - we'll listen to you.

Be kind to yourself.

Thank you that's literally made me cry.

I don't actually have anyone else to talk to. I'm the strong one. The one who is there for others. The one who listens.

I think what really triggered it today was I'm off work this week because it's half term and I've been ill, so I haven't left the house. But even if I hadn't been ill, I'd have had nowhere to go and no one to go there with.

One of my colleagues messaged earlier to ask me something and it just made me realise that he is the first person to have contacted me all week. I haven't contacted anyone either. Because I don't have anyone to contact. So one to catch up with. No one to suggest meeting or lunch with or a walk in the park even if I'd been well enough to do that. Just me.

I mean, my partner is here every day. He works but is home in the evenings. And I feel like I'm letting him down. I feel like I'm not good enough. Like I'm dragging him down with me. He says not and that he loves me but I have a constant niggling feeling that something is wrong. I feel I want to get away. I just feel like I've had enough and I can't cope with feeling so worthless.

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category12 · 31/10/2024 17:32

I think you should probably go see your GP and talk to them about how you're feeling. It might be the menopause or something hormonal, or you might be depressed. There might be ways they can help you get through this dark patch. And if you're feeling like you might do something to yourself, please speak to the Samaritans.

If you get on great with your partner, what isn't working with the relationship?

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RoundandSad · 01/11/2024 00:22

I can relate and I know you can get on great with a partner and still it doesn't wirk

you mentioned two years ago which makes me wonder if something happened

maybe your doctor can help

Noseybookworm · 01/11/2024 01:08

OP you sound like a strong and independent woman who is going through a difficult time. Please go and see your GP and tell them how you're feeling. It sounds like you have a lot of symptoms of depression. You can get back to your old self, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Look after yourself lovely 💐

GoldStarSun · 01/11/2024 07:46

Thank you for your kind words.

I'm not going to 'do anything'. I wouldn't do that to my children. My youngest has just started at university and needs me. My eldest is independent and carving out a good and happy life but still needs me.

What changed? A few things. I realised I was always the one making the effort with the friends I did see. If I didn't suggest meeting up, they didn't either. I felt like I was just a nuisance so I stepped back. I thought if any of them were interested, they'd get in touch. They didn't.

I was involved in a couple of hobbies at the time and it was a reasonable perception that these were time consuming and fulfilling. So maybe people just thought I'd moved on? But I didn't have strong friendships from these hobbies. They were very sociable and we spent a lot of time together but it was an illusion really.

One of them is where I met my partner. There's too much if I take life in general so I'll just stick to this one strand.

One of the women in the group took against me after he and i got together. It became really unpleasant and I left 2 years ago (after a year of it) for my own peace of mind and just to put a stop to it. My partner also left. I didn't ask him to nor expect him to but he chose to. So I lost all the friends I had through that, he lost the friends he had too. He's not bothered but I feel very guilty that he chose me and not them.

I did a similar hobby with another group. But that ended earlier this year just for logistical reasons really. I still support them when I can but I don't see them anymore and efforts I've made to keep in touch have failed. We're now only in sporadic contact via SM.

At around the same time, I started a new role at work and the workload has increased dramatically which has made it impossible for me to find a new group even if I wanted to. I'm also feeling anxious about whether I'm performing well enough in that role and worry that they regret putting me in it.

I don't really want to say what the hobby was but, it's fair to say that whilst it isn't niche, it's not as simple as just joining a group. There has to be a vacancy for you to fill. Like a team I suppose with specific positions, roles, numbers and a selection process. You can't just join because you want to do it.

So sticking with the theme.

It's a stereotypically male role that I fulfill. It's generally regarded that women are very attractive/sexy when they do it. I'm not 😂 That's never bothered me. I did it because I enjoyed doing it not for male approval. But I've still been subjected to male approval/disapproval as a result (both in terms of appearance and performance). And that's really affected my confidence, even when it's positive because I still feel scrutinised.

Before I started seeing my partner, I was in another relationship for a while. He was hugely critical of me all the time. Mainly because I didn't meet the standards he thought women should. I ended it. But one of the things he criticised me for was my appearance. Especially when doing this hobby. Telling me that wearing X or having my hair like Y wasn't 'enough' and that I should make an effort to appear 'sexy' because that's what people watching expected to see (there is an element of truth in that). He compared me to other women doing the same thing and told me I should he more like them, dress like them, act like them.

A couple of years ago, my partner also made a couple of suggestions along those lines. Not explicitly criticising me, just 'jokingly' saying, "You should wear/do X or Y next time you're [doing the hobby]" when we've seen women on tv or whatever doing the same thing and all I heard was ,"You're not enough." And, "They look attractive/sexy but you don't." Like nothing else matters.

I'm now selling my equipment because I know I'll never do that hobby again. It's a very 'visible' hobby and there's no hiding. My current partner and my ex both suggested I tried to make myself look 'sexier' for it. I don't want to have to but the last few times I did it, I felt really self conscious and wondered how many other people were watching me and mentally criticising me.

It's easy to tell people that 'no one is looking and you and no one cares' when people are literally telling you that they do look and they do care. My self esteem isn't good enough to stand up to it and this has, tbh, made it worse.

I just feel very vulnerable. How often am I been scrutinised by others and not coming up to standard? I've become very small.

I used to go out a lot and socialise and now I stay at home.

I feel I'm surrounded by people who are better than me, more X than me, less Y than me. Every time I hear someone else being complimented, I hear an implied criticism of me. Every silence is an unspoken criticism.

I know comparison is the thief of joy and I know that I bring my own self to rhe world and there's no one else like me and all of that but it doesn't help anymore.

I only see myself as all the things I'm not. I'm not really sure what I am that's worth being. Or different to anyone else anyway.

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GoldStarSun · 01/11/2024 07:47

And, tbh, getting back to my old self doesnt feel particularly worthwhile when I'm no different in the eyes of others.

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TheCatterall · 01/11/2024 09:07

@GoldStarSun I can identify with a lot of what you are saying - mine was due to long term deep depression.

talk to your doctor. Really emphasise how low you feel on everything. I had to explain to mine that whilst I wasn’t actively suicidal - if there was a button I could press to delete my existence I’d have happily pressed it a hundred times over.

do not make any steps with your relationship as it sounds like you are on a self destruct path right now.

can you afford private therapy?

can you accept that you may have depression?

Please check out the self referral service as well. Your area should be listed on this page. https://patient.info/treatment-medication/self-referral/refer-yourself-for-nhs-talking-therapy-counselling

it took 6 months for me to feel better. To change some habits and beliefs. For my antidepressants to help. For the therapy to help (I got 5 weeks with urgent referral and got some private help as well).

NHS talking therapies - self referral

Talking therapies can be very helpful if you are experiencing depression or anxiety. You do not need a referral from a GP. You can refer yourself directly.

https://patient.info/treatment-medication/self-referral/refer-yourself-for-nhs-talking-therapy-counselling

GoldStarSun · 01/11/2024 13:38

Thanks.

Its really hard to get a Dr's apportionment at my surgery but I'll do that.

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RoundandSad · 01/11/2024 14:22

I see

i really wouldn't end the relationship, you're not in the right frame of mind for good decision

it is shocking when you realise how you are seen by others but I think you can make peace with stuff you have said here

i do think your doctor can help 💐

GoldStarSun · 01/11/2024 16:26

I sometimes think that ending the relationship will end a huge 'income stream' of self doubt though.

If I don't go out, no one will see me. I don't really care what people think of my appearance at work because that is in no way relevant to my job.

If I'm not in a relationship, I won't have to consider what 'he' thinks of me. I won't be wondering what thoughts are passing through his mind. I won't care if match up to other women or not because there'll be nobody making that judgement of me.

I won't care if I'm a disappointment or good enough because the only person I have to be good enough for is me.

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GoldStarSun · 01/11/2024 16:54

it is shocking when you realise how you are seen by others

I had no idea it would be so persistently negative though.

I'm a normal woman. I'm not remarkable in any sense. I'm not more or less (in my eyes) than anyone else. I don't judge other women negatively for their appearance. I don't have negative thoughts about anyone else in that respect.

I was full of self-doubt when I was younger because of the things people, often my mum, used to say about my appearance.

People said she was jealous or sympathised because a mum should never say those things. That she wasn't right. And I tried to believe them.

I've spent my whole life working on myself, improving myself, focusing on my mental health to get away from her negative voice. And here I am, with adult children, having it proven time and time again that she was right in everything she said. And that other people think about me similarly.

Obviously, she didn't comment on me not being 'sexy' enough but the comments she made amounted to the ways in which I would be perceived negatively by men. And she was right.

I've tried talking to my partner about it but he doesn't really understand. He said last time that there wasn't anything he could say that would change how I felt or make any difference now. I panicked because it felt like a precursor to him ending things. But the truth is, no, there isn't anything he could say. The damage has been done. On the rare occasions he compliments me, I find it upsetting and it has the opposite to the desired effect because the previous comments flood my head. He gets frustrated because he hasn't ever criticised me. And he hasn't. But I also know I'm not 'enough'. He's said that he'd never expect to to do/wear anything I wasn't comfortable with. that's not the same as I'm enough. He might not push for it but his preferences are clear and it just means that I'm just never going to match up to other women, who are those things, in his eyes.

I've really struggled this week.

Before she turned against me, the woman at the hobby said to me, "If only you could see yourself the way others see you." I changed the conversation and didn't ask her to elaborate. But I was a different person then. I was fun, outgoing, interesting. I'm a hollow shell now and I'm too tired and weary to change that. I can't see the point. I've exhausted all avenues of feeling better about myself. I'm too scared to try again because I know that the blow will come at some point.

And I'm too old and tired to have my head filled with this nonsense. To start again, to pick myself up and dust myself off again. It's happened too any times and for too long.

I can't carry on with all this self hate and worthlessness. I just want peace.

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Tittat50 · 01/11/2024 17:01

Unfortunately, our adult relationships and our perception of the world is massively informed by our upbringing and the dynamics of that. The fact you went NC says it all. How can you trust anything when the basic template given to you was totally messed up.

I don't know what the deal is with current partner but anyone who calls you over sensitive, over thinking, can't take a joke, I'm just joking on a regular basis needs very firm correction.

I found counselling has been incredibly helpful for me. I learnt romantic relationships really aren't for me. I'm very happy with this. I see the world differently as each layer is peeled back with age. We're often sold such rubbish ref friends, relationships etc.

Wonder if you'd find it therapeutic to talk to a therapist. An older female who you find yourself.

category12 · 01/11/2024 17:11

You kind of need to stop giving a fuck about how people view you. Or how you think they view you. What's the saying - what other people think of you is none of your business?

Easier said than done of course. I do know that.

I think it's a shame that you're selling your equipment because of all this. Aren't there other people who don't quite fit the look or the character (or whatever it is) that are still doing it anyway?

Why is everyone else's opinion so much more valuable than your own? Lot of people are not smart or interesting or attractive themselves.

The art of not giving a fuck, that's what you need to find.

TheCatterall · 01/11/2024 17:22

GoldStarSun · 01/11/2024 16:26

I sometimes think that ending the relationship will end a huge 'income stream' of self doubt though.

If I don't go out, no one will see me. I don't really care what people think of my appearance at work because that is in no way relevant to my job.

If I'm not in a relationship, I won't have to consider what 'he' thinks of me. I won't be wondering what thoughts are passing through his mind. I won't care if match up to other women or not because there'll be nobody making that judgement of me.

I won't care if I'm a disappointment or good enough because the only person I have to be good enough for is me.

And that is the epitamy of depression talking there @GoldStarSun. It’s like reading a depression case study and I’ve been there.

Ive hermitted and withdrawn and alienated myself. It didn’t make me happier. It didn’t make life easier. It made me more and more depressed. The smaller my world became the worse and worse things got.

I stopped cleaning my house. What’s the point.

stopped washing myself. What’s the point.

me, my clothes, my bedding and my house became a disgusting mess that was then to overwhelming to resolve on the odd occasion I contemplated doing something.

I demanded help in the end.

You need to get help. You need to reach out. Ask the old friends for help. Or family. Try and get medical help from nhs or private.

This is not normal. This can improve. You are worth more than sitting in this funk.

Have you opened up to your partner?

Azaleah · 01/11/2024 17:24

How old are you, if you don't mind my asking?

rickyrickygrimes · 01/11/2024 21:09

Some wise words above.

On the subject of friends not contacting you. I have a lot of friends but I know that if I withdrew into a bubble and didn’t proactively contact them and suggest meeting up, I would probably be waiting along time. Not because they don’t like me or because I don’t matter to them but because… life happens. Work, children, family, obligations… they all suck up time and energy.

when I contact my friends and suggest a meet up, I’m doing it for me. Because I need / want their company and I’m making that happen. It never crosses my mind that they don’t want to see me or hear from me 🤷‍♀️

I also know that some of my friends feel like you do. That they feel ignored or abandoned or not important enough, and they protect themselves by withdrawing. Maybe some of your friends feel like that too, in their own lives? You never know what’s really going on in anyone’s head, so try not to make too many assumptions.

junebirthdaygirl · 01/11/2024 22:17

I think having counselling around your mother would really help. You are still hearing her voice and that's very understandable. You sound like an amazing woman who has achieved a lot , who has interesting hobbies and whose dc are doing well. And as far as l can see a good partner. So you are being robbed and l think it's directly attributable to your mother. It may be connected to your age too. Please get counselling and some help from your GP. Don't let any more be stolen from you.

Callisto1 · 02/11/2024 08:21

I think in the kindest possible way you need someone professional whom you can talk to.

I grew up in a dysfunctional family and I recognise this self hatred and doubt. You can keep going for a while by keeping busy but it catches up with you and you just feel so fed up you want to hide from it all. Please don’t as it won’t solve anything. I’ve hid from life for several years online gaming and it nearly killed my relationship and destroyed my life.

It’s hard for a partner to be a ‘therapist’ but you need one to unpick your childhood and work through why you feel the way you do. The stuff from childhood is so ingrained in us that we often don’t see the issue, but at the same time it affects us so deeply we can’t function anymore. I hope you can find the help you need.

User99876 · 02/11/2024 13:27

I identify with a lot of what you’ve said. I grew up in an abusive and dysfunctional environment with a mother who was jealous of me, put me down and didn’t tend to my basic needs. Apart from a couple of very damaging relationships, I’ve been on my own since I was 16. I always felt like I was on the outside looking in, watching other people with their friends, partners and families and not being able to relate to any of it. Not feeling like I belonged anywhere. Spending most Christmases on my own, not feeling important to anyone, feeling worthless and not good enough, afraid to try to connect with people because I didn’t think they would want to connect with me.

Unfortunately my childhood set the scene for all this. My mum would tell me my friends didn’t really want to be my friends. If I was invited to a party she’d laugh and say they were just being polite and didn’t actually want me there. I wrote a song and sang it to her, but she scoffed and said I sounded like I had a blocked nose. I remember making a Christmas decoration at school and I was really proud of it, but when I put it on the tree and showed it to my mum, she wasn’t interested and told me to take it down. I ran upstairs crying and smashed it up because it wasn’t good enough and neither was I.

I had various forms of counselling for years but I don’t think it helped. I felt like I was going round in circles, sharing all this stuff and getting upset and the counsellor not saying very much. Nothing improved and I ended up trying to take my life. Eventually I was referred for cognitive analytic therapy with a psychologist on the NHS. I wasn’t hopeful at all, but it changed my life in many ways. It looks at how early relationships shape how we feel about ourselves, and how they trigger thought patterns and behaviours that keep us miserable. The therapist helps you to find ‘exits’ from these cycles when you feel yourself getting drawn into them.

I had 24 sessions (it ranges from 12-24 for most people) and by the end I no longer felt the self-hatred and worthlessness I’d carried with me all my life. It’s been three years since my last session and I haven’t had a relapse. I still have wobbles, especially on birthdays and at Christmas time, but it’s no longer my default setting. I never thought I’d be able to say that.

If you’re open to therapy I would really recommend looking into it. And I also agree with PPs that it’s worth speaking to your GP.

OriginalUsername2 · 02/11/2024 13:51

Your mum, your ex, possibly your current partner and this woman at the club that turned against you - these 4 fuckers have crushed you.

You need to zoom out and look at your life from the perspective of a stranger. There are 8 billion people on the planet and a big wide world out there - are going to let these 4 fuckers bring you down and stop you living your one life?!

allaloneandlost · 02/11/2024 16:07

What a shame you feel like this and so have others. You've worked hard against your upbringing and have well adjusted successful children and a career. That is a great achievement. You did better than your own parenting by a mile. Agree counselling would be worth considering.

What I think is when people see somebody who's getting on with life, harming nobody and is quiet they see somebody who will accept it without fighting back to take out their insecurities and jealousies on.

Could have written this myself but have no husband, friends, family or children. I've also spent my life fighting for everything, working hard and improving to be knocked repeatedly. I was bullied and tormented until I had enough. I don't bother now as there's no point and can't take the chance when I know how the story goes. It's not even painful or annoying anymore, just disappointing and boring.

Could you learn key phrases against such behaviours as some people need putting in their place and a reminder that you don't deserve such treatment? It's hard but they don't care about your feelings, so why should you? I harm nobody but now have no cares to give which is a shame but liberating. My alcoholic next door neighbour who keeps to herself and I hardly know called me an "f@@king fat ugly crackpot" in return to me saying "hello" in passing a few months ago. I called her on it saying "you should get a refund on that charm school, you were ripped off there". I wasn't rude, insulting or threatening but not having that anymore. And YOU don't deserve to have your life further derailed by that either. If you have nobody to fight for you or do things with, please do that for yourself as you deserve that and nobody else will.

allaloneandlost · 03/11/2024 16:36

Hope you're feeling better today and are looking after yourself.

GoldStarSun · 04/11/2024 07:21

Hello.

Thank you all for your long and consode3d responses.

I've thought about this a lot over the weekend and I think you are right. I think I need to speak to my GP.

As I was asked, I'm late 40s. So I know that peri is a likely factor but this isn't a new thing. It's been happening since I started dating in my late teens. Perhaps my age has meant I've internalised it more? Or that I've just reached a point of thinking "fuck it" and I'm no longer interested in having to deal with it. Or maybe that's why it's having such a profound effect on how I feel.

I think I'm more sensitive to the negative comments because of my relationship with my mother. Maybe those are the comments that standout for me more. But it doesn't change the fact that men make and have made these comments to me.

User99876 I recognise a lot of myself and my experience in your post. I hate having my photo taken because of something my mother said about a photo of me when I was 16. There are very few photos of me since then.

I tried having a conversation with my partner on Saturday about it. Well, it was more that it all came out because it was on my mind.

He's never directly criticised me. He says the odd thing he has said was a joke. He's never accused me of not being able to take a joke but he is surprised I've taking his jokes so seriously. I've asked him why they were jokes? What was funny about them. He couldn't tell me. I asked him what the punchline was and he said there wasn't one. I think he meant they were supposed to be lighthearted comments that I wasn't supposed to take seriously rather than they were actually intended to be funny.

But it doesn't make sense.

I can see how some of his comments were meant to he stupid comments that I was probably supposed to eye roll at and it's a 'me' issue that I didn't take them that way. But I still can't he sure and some of them, I don't think anyone would have taken any differently to me but he just says he can't remember saying it or it wasn't something he'd say.

One of the things, when I repeated it to him this weekend, I added a slight embellishment. Nothing serious but a single word that made what he'd said sound worse/more emphatic. Previously, he's denied having said it or said it wasn't true so he wouldn't have said it. This weekend, he jumped on the fact that I'd included this extra word and said, "No, I didn't say X," and he was right. He hadn't. But his tone was different when he said that. It was very definite. Which just showed to me that he does know exactly what he's said but just isn't willing to discuss it. Which makes me think he's said all of those things because they were true but doesn't want to admit it now. He doesn't seem to understand that lying about it is a bigger problem that what he actually said.

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