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How do you know when to end a relationship?

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Northnotts85 · 30/10/2024 16:55

I've been in a relationship with my DP for almost 2 years now and while things started out brilliantly between us, I'm beginning to feel like we have too many differences to make things work.

There have been some minor issues throughout - we live a 90 minute drive apart and he has a teenage boy with some learning difficulties. This has meant that I spend every weekend at his house and he very rarely (3 times so far in 2024) visits my house. I live in a rural area and my DP (understandably) worries that his boy will get bored here - he has an XBox etc at home and that seems to keep him happy. I'd be lying if I said I didn't find the travelling and being away from my home difficult - I'm relatively new to my area (2.5 years here now) and not being here at weekends has made it difficult to form any real friendships. It also means I have to do all my chores and housework in the week after work (and sometimes end up helping him with his at weekends). But although it's occasionally frustrating for me, my DP was upfront about his situation from the off, so any resentment has mostly been swallowed and we make it work.

However, my DP has a very short fuse and over the last year or so has started to get angry, snappy and impatient with me a lot. This can happen when it's something contentious such as me raising an issue within the relationship. But he can also be triggered by the most trivial things: I didn't give him an instant yes or no opinion on an outfit he was thinking of wearing to the pub last weekend and I got my head bitten off. He says it's 'infuriating' when I don't answer a straight question - I'm quite a considered and sometimes indecisive person and am not always quick to provide an answer or an opinion on things because I like to allow myself time to think and respond. His impatience makes me feel quite bad about myself.

I strongly believe that two people can experience the same thing differently and feel opposite emotions in response to the same situation. But I feel that my DP often dismisses my feelings out of hand, is very quick to raise his voice, and tends to invalidate my point of view often. He's told me on more than one occasion that I'm 'being oversensitive'.

To be clear, I'm not afraid of my DP hurting me and there's never been any indication of physical anger. But I've increasingly found that I only have the confidence to challenge things within the relationship after a couple of glasses of wine - which is not a healthy way of dealing with things and leads to arguments and fall outs. Sometimes, because I've had a drink, I get frustrated at the reaction I get and I end up saying horrible things that I regret (which is also completely unacceptable).

I've had several months of therapy to try and improve my methods of communication. But the more therapy I've had, the more I'm coming to realise that his anger and invalidation is a barrier to me tackling my problems. I've tried to discuss this with him on several occasions but I sometimes feel that while I'm prepared to take accountability for my bad communication skills, he isn't. Whenever we have an argument, it's usually me that ends up apologising even if he's yelled at me.

We had a discussion at the beginning of this week where I laid all my cards on the table and he agreed to work on his temper and impatience issues too.

There are also quite a few other problems/things of concern:

Our sex life is pretty much a non-starter as my DP feels weird about being sexually active while the boy is in the neighbouring bedroom.

My DP recently complained during an argument that I don't contribute enough to group conversations when we're out with his friends. (My counter to this would be that he's told me that I'm 'just not very funny' in front of his friends when I've made a joke in the past and often seems to sneer at my contributions generally (he has a very sarcastic sense of humour and would say that this is just him joking around - but hardly a confidence boost or incentive to join in).

He can be quite thoughtless sometimes. To give an example of this, we recently couldn't go to a concert we'd booked tickets for because his childcare fell through at the last minute. I offered to try and sell the tickets on my social media, but he said he would do it himself. He only managed to sell one ticket and kept all the money for himself even though we'd each paid separately for our own tickets. AIBU to think that an offer of splitting the recouped money (and both of us being a little out of pocket rather than him getting his money back and me losing all of mine) would have been the kindest thing to do?

The difficulty is that there are strong feelings there. I do love him and he says he loves me (for all our faults). And my decision whether or not to call it quits is clouded by my having formed a good relationship with his boy. I'm also turning 40 soon and hate the thought of starting back on the dating scene all over again!

Am I just being naïve to think (hope?) that with a bit of work we might be able to turn this around? What has prompted you to finish a relationship in the past?

OP posts:
Oxforddictionary12 · 30/10/2024 19:15

What reasons do you have for staying? Why do you want to be with someone who regularly snaps at you and puts you down in front of others? From what you've described he seems to have few redeeming features. As much as it might suck starting over again, it could lead to finding someone so much better.

Starseeking · 30/10/2024 20:43

His impatience makes me feel quite bad about myself.

For that line alone, you should be running for the hills!

Northnotts85 · 31/10/2024 09:55

Thank you for the replies. There are still some good things about the relationship, he does make me laugh a lot, he can be affectionate sometimes, and we do have some good times together.

But I can't remember the last time we had a date night (we spend about 80% of our time together with his group of friends), or he did something as thoughtful as getting me a bottle of my favourite wine in ahead of one of my visits.

I think I've just got to the point where I've been wondering if my expectations are too high or if I'm getting the bare minimum/putting most of the work in myself. I don't expect to be treated like a princess, but I do expect a bit more effort and to be treated with kindness and respect. I just needed other people to give me a bit of a reality check and you've all done that - thank you.

OP posts:
Gloriana1 · 31/10/2024 09:58

You end in now because he's a terrible person that's bringing nothing to your life.

TwistedWonder · 31/10/2024 10:01

No your expectations are not too high at all. Hes throwing you a few crumbs and expecting you to put in all the effort while he sits back and does sweet FA. You do all the running and he can’t even make minimal effort to treat you to a nice meal or a few drinks.

The good bits don’t make up for the fact he’s a low effort low bar man who doesn’t treat you like a partner.

There’s no reason to stay with him at all. He brings no value to your life.

Gloriana1 · 31/10/2024 10:04

@Northnotts85 I've been with my husband for more than 20 years. He thinks I'm the best person ever, he make me feel valuable even when I don't. He's never made me feel bad, even when I've done idiotic things. A good relationship makes you better. It feels good. All the time.

We've made each other better because we can be honest with each other.

That's a good relationship.

You shouldn't question it.

Georgie743 · 31/10/2024 10:06

You can have all the therapy in the world, but sometimes you just need to walk away from the shit relationship.

FoxLoxInSox · 31/10/2024 10:13

OP it’s HIM who needs therapy - to address his dismissive attachment style, his intractability, and his problems with impatience/anger.

It’s credit to you that you pursued therapy, but you having all the therapy in the world won’t change him - and it’s he who needs to change.

I do identify - I was in a 5 year relationship which started out well but gradually morphed into something which left me feeling insecure, undermined, criticised and convenient. I ignored my inner doubts and chose to put up with the breadcrumbs, for fear of losing the good bits, and because I loved him. When it eventually imploded a couple of months ago (at his instigation in the end) I almost immediately felt a sense of lightness return to my life - my self esteem has improved, my weekends are my own again so my housework and garden jobs get done, so I feel calmer in the week & have relaxing evenings. I can plan to see friends with my free time. I just feel more in control of my life and my time. I’m 40+ but not feeling the lack of a partner at all, and feel fairly confident that when I do want one, there’ll be someone out there better for me.

Please leave him. x

Northnotts85 · 31/10/2024 10:13

DracunculusVulgaris · 30/10/2024 18:46

My goodness OP! I could have written your post almost word for word, the only difference being that I am male and older than you. Nearly 3 years together, I live rurally, my partner has also only made the effort to visit me twice this year, to give her grandson a holiday in the country, I travel, every Friday, after work, to her city, 75 minutes drive away, and leave early hours of Monday morning and drive straight to my place of work. I, too, walk on eggshells around her, because of her constant irritability, anger, loud, sweary rants, being used as an 'emotional punchbag', farmed out every weekend to help her family and friends with gardening projects (that is my profession ), fearful of how much alcohol she has consumed as it makes her behaviour even worse (and I am teatotal, having been brought up in a household with an alcoholic mum). The constant belittling, humiliating, degrading comments have worn me down and I am a naturally quiet, reserved, introverted personality and rarely speak up! My vocabulary and the way I speak are criticised, my manner of dress is commented on, my eating is 'policed', I am told that I am too quiet around her friends and I am, apparently, secretive - I just don't have much to talk about much of the time as our interests and attitudes to social activities are polar opposite. I have also learned not to feed too much information or fears and insecurities to one who will melt them into bullets to use against me.

Like you, this past weekend, we had a discussion about our future - for the first time ever, on Saturday night, she physically hurt me and then, on Sunday, claimed that it didn't happen, and that if it did it was just in 'fun' and 'playful'. I actually found my voice and found the courage to give her a very stern, measured, calm talking to and put her on notice that if it ever happens again I will be gone for good. I don't think it will actually work, however, and am preparing to stick to my guns and end the relationship. Like you, I have to cram everything into four short evenings a week at home, as I am away in her city for the remainder of the week. In a way I would almost relish being on my own again, having time for my own garden, my bees, chickens and other hobbies!

The similarities are astonishing OP, I feel for you, and although unable to offer you any advice, I can offer solidarity, my best wishes and hope that you are able to make the correct decision for YOU, as I have to do to protect my mental and now physical wellbeing. Good luck OP!

I'm so sorry to hear that you're in a similar situation. It sounds as though your partner treats you really badly.

Your comment has really helped - it seems as though you are a year ahead of me and it's made me think about how things might escalate in another 12 months' time.

I just wanted to reply to reciprocate your best wishes and solidarity, and hope that you manage to do what's best for you too.

OP posts:
LadeOde · 31/10/2024 10:13

@DracunculusVulgaris & @Northnotts85 Please LEAVE! these people before you both lose the last bit of self esteem & sanity you have left, it's currently hanging on a string.......

Out of interest, how old are you both?

Northnotts85 · 31/10/2024 10:49

FoxLoxInSox · 31/10/2024 10:13

OP it’s HIM who needs therapy - to address his dismissive attachment style, his intractability, and his problems with impatience/anger.

It’s credit to you that you pursued therapy, but you having all the therapy in the world won’t change him - and it’s he who needs to change.

I do identify - I was in a 5 year relationship which started out well but gradually morphed into something which left me feeling insecure, undermined, criticised and convenient. I ignored my inner doubts and chose to put up with the breadcrumbs, for fear of losing the good bits, and because I loved him. When it eventually imploded a couple of months ago (at his instigation in the end) I almost immediately felt a sense of lightness return to my life - my self esteem has improved, my weekends are my own again so my housework and garden jobs get done, so I feel calmer in the week & have relaxing evenings. I can plan to see friends with my free time. I just feel more in control of my life and my time. I’m 40+ but not feeling the lack of a partner at all, and feel fairly confident that when I do want one, there’ll be someone out there better for me.

Please leave him. x

This gives me hope. Half of the problem when deciding to end a relationship is fear of the unknown, the prospect of missing somebody and the idea of weekends without them. But as you point out, the reality when it actually ends is so often the opposite. Perhaps having the time to focus on myself would enable me to make some proper friends in the area I live and develop my own life.

OP posts:
Northnotts85 · 31/10/2024 10:49

LadeOde · 31/10/2024 10:13

@DracunculusVulgaris & @Northnotts85 Please LEAVE! these people before you both lose the last bit of self esteem & sanity you have left, it's currently hanging on a string.......

Out of interest, how old are you both?

I'm 39

OP posts:
Northnotts85 · 31/10/2024 10:52

Gloriana1 · 31/10/2024 10:04

@Northnotts85 I've been with my husband for more than 20 years. He thinks I'm the best person ever, he make me feel valuable even when I don't. He's never made me feel bad, even when I've done idiotic things. A good relationship makes you better. It feels good. All the time.

We've made each other better because we can be honest with each other.

That's a good relationship.

You shouldn't question it.

This couldn't be further from where we are. I can't imagine I'm making him happy or improving his life either if he finds me so infuriating. Seeing how things should be makes me realise that my situation isn't healthy.

OP posts:
AlertCat · 31/10/2024 10:56

He’s all about him. His refund for the concert tickets. His friends when you go out. His house that you stay in (and clean!). His temper, while your feelings get dismissed.

On the other side, your petrol money to see him. Your ticket money not recouped. Your home life set aside. Your evenings filled with the jobs you can’t do at weekends because you’re at his place. Getting the odd laugh and crumb of affection doesn’t outweigh the massive imbalance in the scales of your relationship; I would certainly move on if you can. You won’t meet anyone nice while you pour more time and effort onto the sand of this relationship, but if you let him go you will create space for good new relationships to enter your life.

Imbluedalale · 31/10/2024 11:04

Hi OP, I just wanted to send you a few words that may help you detach . Well they did with me anyway.

When you miss the memories , remember the disrespect

Do you really want to be loved like this for the rest of your life?

Forget what you feel, remember what you deserve

If they don’t do anything to try and keep you , why are you trying so hard to stay?

More time with the wrong person is less time with the right one

If you could love the wrong person that much, imagine how much you’ll love the right one

Never go back to less because your too impatient to wait for better

You cannot heal in the same environment that made you sick

Life will never let you find peace in a situation you’re not meant to settle into

Don’t go searching for happiness in the same place you lost it

Xx

DracunculusVulgaris · 31/10/2024 12:37

@LadeOde, I am 61

Allnewtometoo · 31/10/2024 12:54

This is terrible OP. I've experienced similar behaviour myself from my ex husband. I still struggle with open communication, which I never did before being with him. The reason I struggle is because I came to anticipate his bad reactions, or him taking at me until I agreed with him. So much more to it than that but please, you're 2 yrs in, leave it now. You deserve better.

To add, I was single for several years. I'm in my later 40s. I met someone almost a year ago and my god the difference is astonishing! He cares for me, he's kind, funny, respectful. He makes me feel good. I can be myself. It's amazing.

LadeOde · 31/10/2024 12:58

My goodness @Northnotts85 61yrs and you're putting up with this nonsense? Pick up the phone tell him its over and not to contact you again. Block him delete or whatever else it is they do these days and sit back and have a glass of wine in your home. Christmas time is a great time to get to know new people in your neighbourhood!

MauveOrPossiblyTaupe · 31/10/2024 13:04

SalmonLeBon · 30/10/2024 17:02

Short tempered
Doesn't think you are funny
No sex
Lives 90 minutes away
You skivvy for him
Thoughtless
Dismissive

Those were the things I picked up. Where are the positives? Are there any?

Yeah, that was exactly what I read...
Not good.

DracunculusVulgaris · 31/10/2024 13:22

Hi @LadeOde, it is I who is the 61 year old - OP said that she is 39

Gloriana1 · 31/10/2024 14:44

Northnotts85 · 31/10/2024 10:52

This couldn't be further from where we are. I can't imagine I'm making him happy or improving his life either if he finds me so infuriating. Seeing how things should be makes me realise that my situation isn't healthy.

Ohh, darling, realisation is the first step though.

You're in there.

Please fuck him off. He's no good for you.

coxesorangepippin · 31/10/2024 14:55

Just end it

DracunculusVulgaris · 31/10/2024 15:14

Northnotts85 · 31/10/2024 10:13

I'm so sorry to hear that you're in a similar situation. It sounds as though your partner treats you really badly.

Your comment has really helped - it seems as though you are a year ahead of me and it's made me think about how things might escalate in another 12 months' time.

I just wanted to reply to reciprocate your best wishes and solidarity, and hope that you manage to do what's best for you too.

Thank you for your kind words @Northnotts85

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 31/10/2024 15:51

DracunculusVulgaris · 30/10/2024 18:46

My goodness OP! I could have written your post almost word for word, the only difference being that I am male and older than you. Nearly 3 years together, I live rurally, my partner has also only made the effort to visit me twice this year, to give her grandson a holiday in the country, I travel, every Friday, after work, to her city, 75 minutes drive away, and leave early hours of Monday morning and drive straight to my place of work. I, too, walk on eggshells around her, because of her constant irritability, anger, loud, sweary rants, being used as an 'emotional punchbag', farmed out every weekend to help her family and friends with gardening projects (that is my profession ), fearful of how much alcohol she has consumed as it makes her behaviour even worse (and I am teatotal, having been brought up in a household with an alcoholic mum). The constant belittling, humiliating, degrading comments have worn me down and I am a naturally quiet, reserved, introverted personality and rarely speak up! My vocabulary and the way I speak are criticised, my manner of dress is commented on, my eating is 'policed', I am told that I am too quiet around her friends and I am, apparently, secretive - I just don't have much to talk about much of the time as our interests and attitudes to social activities are polar opposite. I have also learned not to feed too much information or fears and insecurities to one who will melt them into bullets to use against me.

Like you, this past weekend, we had a discussion about our future - for the first time ever, on Saturday night, she physically hurt me and then, on Sunday, claimed that it didn't happen, and that if it did it was just in 'fun' and 'playful'. I actually found my voice and found the courage to give her a very stern, measured, calm talking to and put her on notice that if it ever happens again I will be gone for good. I don't think it will actually work, however, and am preparing to stick to my guns and end the relationship. Like you, I have to cram everything into four short evenings a week at home, as I am away in her city for the remainder of the week. In a way I would almost relish being on my own again, having time for my own garden, my bees, chickens and other hobbies!

The similarities are astonishing OP, I feel for you, and although unable to offer you any advice, I can offer solidarity, my best wishes and hope that you are able to make the correct decision for YOU, as I have to do to protect my mental and now physical wellbeing. Good luck OP!

OP this is not a proper relationship on any level. And God if you give up on a physical relationship at 40 that’s really sad.
You have set your bar so low here. And why the hell are you having to be around his friends so much?
You aren’t being abused here but you aren’t being treated properly at all. It’s shocking to read the details to be frank.
And @DracunculusVulgaris I read your own thread I hope you aren’t going back. You deserve better as well!

DracunculusVulgaris · 31/10/2024 18:40

@PeggyMitchellsCameo, thank you, although I received quite a kicking (and, perhaps, rightly so!), on my own thread, although it is possibly quite natural to see and express all the negatives in one's partner when that person is being abusive and love starts to turn to active dislike.

However, this is @Northnotts85's thread, not mine, and I have derailed it, so will withdraw with one quote, from Eleanor Roosevelt, which I am trying to apply myself...

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent"

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