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Help!!!! Will he ever change?

46 replies

RosePeer · 15/10/2024 11:13

I would really like to get someone else’s viewpoint on my situation and hear any advice they may have….

My husband and I have been together 11 years (married for 8) and have 2 children. I’m an extrovert, positive, sociable, enjoy doing fun things with the children etc and have about half a dozen close friends and lots more friends who I talk to less frequently.

My husband is the opposite to me, he is quite introvert, negative about most things, feels like he’s hard done by a lot of the time and not particularly sociable. I knew he was like this when I met him but we got on well and I thought he might lighten up a bit as time goes on but I feel like it’s just got worse.

Just to note - we both had similar (ish) backgrounds from a class / monetary perspective. He went to private school, I went to state school. My family do have more than his family so when he acts like he is better than everyone there is no reason whatsoever for him to think that!

He is always putting my family down, saying that they are rough/common (which they absolutely aren’t), or that they don’t deserve what they have, they haven’t worked hard enough for it, they are common etc etc. Some of them he says “I literally can’t stand them, their common voice and cackling”. He makes no effort with them whatsoever and on the few occasions he does have to speak to them he’s very cold and uninviting and often makes them feel uncomfortable, even when he is like this they will always try and Include him in conversations and make him feel comfortable.

He’s always rude about other people too (including infront of our children) this could literally be about someone cycling on a footpath or driving slow/ pulling out in front of us…. He either gets angry, holds the horn down, calls them names, says they are stupid etc etc he will also make comments about people he perceives to be ‘rough’ being in a nice restaurant or joining our children’s school. If anyone ever asks me to do something for them as a favour, which isn’t often, he will be really cross. As an example, a friend could ask if I could pick their child up from school as their other child has an appointment they need to take them to. He would say “why should you do that for them, I wouldn’t ask someone to do that for me, its their kid, tell them to sort it out”…. Then it always bubbles down to “you don’t do anything for me but you’ll always do something for someone else”…. I know that I have friends that I could always ask to help me out and I would always do the same in return, I would never think anything of them asking and would always help them if I could!

He makes very little effort to talk to anyone, he has no friends of his own, he doesn’t talk to most of my friends as he “can’t stand them, they are so common” he also says this infront of our children and to me. If I’m just talking to them on the phone, once I’m off he’s mean about them and to me for talking to them so I normally try and speak to friends when I’m out so I don’t have to listen to him say things like “I don’t know why you waste you effort listening to their dramas in their sad lives” he will often then go on to say I never have time for him which is completely untrue, I am with my family all the time, I barely do anything without them!! I hardly see my friend at all anymore as he’d always make it so uncomfortable that I just don’t bother (he’d never “stop” me, so I can’t say he’s stopped me but basically he has) I used to speak and see them when he was at work but now he works from home so I’m almost always with him!

I know the above makes him sound awful… which he is when he’s like that but he does have good qualities too and I don’t want to leave him and split our family up but my question is, will he ever change??? If I mention this to him he thinks I’m completely out of order, we have a massive argument and he tells me that I’m the one with a problem, I’m a horrible person etc etc. I have tried to help him by introducing him to friends, arranging family days out with other families so he has dads to talk to but I don’t know what more I can do. I thought maybe if he had some friends he might be kinder all round. He did go to counciling for a few months about 7 years ago which did help quite a lot but then he was like “I don’t need waste my money on someone telling me this, that and the other” so he stopped.

Is there any hope? Any advice / tips?

Thanks if you’ve read this far ❤️

OP posts:
itsjustbiology · 15/10/2024 11:37

Sounds to me like he is set in his ways. If he sees no wrong with his attitude then theres not much you can do lovely. Is he depressed do you think ,maybe? Or it could just be him and you either accept him for all he is,as he is or you don't. My dh is a miserable git sometimes with very forthright views on the world but he is wrong and I ignore him when he starts and just carry on as I was! It seems to work for us! I have been no help sorry!

80s · 15/10/2024 12:32

In your experience, have you met many people who've changed their basic character without a major event happening to cause it?
The people I know who have really changed have done so after a transformative experience such as a serious illness, death or divorce, becoming more depressed/bitter/anxious, or deciding that they needed to do more for themselves and pander to their partner/family/friends less.

What kind of effect is your choice to stay with dh having on the children and your family life?

Andwhatfreshhellisthis · 15/10/2024 12:34

No he won’t change - do you want to live with it or no. If you don’t leave and tell him why but don’t tell thinking he will change - he won’t.

JaneYellow · 15/10/2024 12:38

No he won’t change.

itsmylife7 · 15/10/2024 12:39

No there's no hope.

The signs were there when you met him but you thought he'd change.

You can't change your or someone else's personality.

PaininthePreferbial · 15/10/2024 12:40

but my question is, will he ever change???

No.

He might, as he has in the past, seem to for a short while but he will revert to type and consider you unreasonable for not enjoying the smell of his shit.

Flixon · 15/10/2024 12:42

He wont change, he will probably get worse as he ages. Is this what you want your children to grow up think is normal? Anger, aggression walking in tiptoes around him ( calling people when you are out so he wont kick off) Nah .. make plans to divorce him and build a happy life for yourself and your children with friends and family who are kind to each other.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 15/10/2024 12:42

No he won't change, he sounds horrible and I'm really struggling to see why you would want to stay with him.

Imagine how much happier you and your children would be without his joy sucking presence.

comedycentral · 15/10/2024 12:44

No he won't, he will continue sucking the life out of you until one of you dies or you divorce. Your children are soaking up every word and will grow up thinking this behaviour is acceptable.

Sailonsilverrgirl · 15/10/2024 12:46

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BeautyPageantDropout · 15/10/2024 12:46

He absolutely positively 100% will not change. This is who he is.

And he sounds beyond miserable to live with. Free yourself.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 15/10/2024 12:48

Everyone has the capacity to change. However they need to have a desire and strong will to change. Sounds like he needs a lot more therapy, a few months is nowhere near enough to make drastic changes to your personality and view of the world.

You have more control over yourself and I believe there are quite a few changes you should make yourself. In regards to stronger boundaries and lower tolerance for his bad behaviours. It’s not at all acceptable that he is being so insulting and negative about other people, especially in front of the children. And you shouldn’t allow your life and social habits to be constrained by his negativity.

EmeraldIsla · 15/10/2024 12:49

Yes, he'll change - he'll get worse and worse as he ages ...

Haroldwilson · 15/10/2024 12:49

Change is always possible.

What incentive does he have though? He's a furious rage bag who is too scared to open up because he'd be vulnerable. Right now he doesn't have to challenge himself to do that because he's got you there.

I don't know if keeping a family together is always no 1 priority if it means kids growing up with this kind of dysfunction.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 15/10/2024 12:54

You don't want to split up? So this is what you want for the rest of your life, most likely getting worse and worse as time goes by? Because no, he won't change.

BMW6 · 15/10/2024 12:55

This is fundamental to his character. He's not a teenager whose opinion may change with experience of the world.

Some people are optimists, some pessimistic, that core never changes whatever life throws at them.

This is who he always was and always will be.

He's a snob - and a nasty one at that.

Circe7 · 15/10/2024 12:56

I’m not one to say LTB - I know how difficult it can be in practical terms and no one knows how bad or good your relationship is just from reading his post. But when I was considering ending my marriage I thought about what a good healthy relationship would be and compared what I had to that and I just couldn’t see how that gap could be bridged. Or put another way if you were looking for a new relationship and your date behaved like your DH would you continue to date them? I also think it’s worth considering what your life would be like without him, including the practicalities - leaving becomes more of a possibility if you think it through enough.

I think a bad relationship can become normal overtime and you don’t realise how much it’s affecting you. If your DH had been unfaithful you’d probably consider leaving but this ongoing negativity can be just as or more damaging (including to the children) and probably harder to fix.

I think people can change (though not to the extent of changing their fundamental personality) but you can’t change them.

Bunnyhair · 15/10/2024 12:59

He won’t change, I’m afraid. It will get worse as he gets older and crankier.

Terrribletwos · 15/10/2024 13:03

@RosePeer

Absolutely no hope of him ever changing now. He is boring, rude and downright nasty. What makes you ever think he could possibly change now without a lobotomy?

Horrible for your kids too. He's a nasty, nasty individual. How on earth do you manage to put up with it.

BlueBerryBad · 15/10/2024 13:07

People don't change unless they desperately want to and have a lot of support to do so. So no, he won't change. Being a jerk is working nicely for him, he gets lots of reaction and attention, and can keep assuring himself he is superior.

Your question should be, how long do I want to live with this?

Showmethebagels · 15/10/2024 13:07

EmeraldIsla · 15/10/2024 12:49

Yes, he'll change - he'll get worse and worse as he ages ...

This is what I was going to say. Unfortunately many men get more grumpy and negative as they get older so you do need to think ahead to how you’ll feel when the children have left home and it’s just the two of you.

Dampfnudeln · 15/10/2024 13:09

He's likely to change for the worse as he gets older. My best friend is a lovely person, always happy to help others and she is great company. Her DH complains constantly about really petty things and generally is a "glass half empty" kind of guy. It can be hard spending time with them as a couple. They've been together for 30 years and he's certainly got worse with age.

Usnone · 15/10/2024 13:20

What a miserable, bitter wanker. Sounds like my dad. Could suck the good mood out of a room within 2 seconds with just a grim, disapproving face. For Christ's sake, get your children away from him.

FinallyHere · 15/10/2024 13:38

my question is, will he ever change

It really doesn't matter about the context, the important thing is to get really clear that if there is any change it will be to make things worse.

The question you shall need to answer for yourself is whether you can make your peace with this, for yourself and as an environment for your children.

There are always pluses and minus to any situation, only you can determine whether you can live with the balance as it currently is and what if anything you are prepared to do about it. Sorry.

Mydogsleftearishalfcocked · 15/10/2024 13:39

Oh op 🥲 I feel really sad for you reading that!

It doesn’t sound like he is open to any self reflection at all. He sounds very depressed or angry or both. Like he is damaged in some way. It’s like he almost wants his life to be a self-fulfilling prophecy of misery, distrust and blame 🥲

I wonder what his reaction would be if he saw your description of him in your op? Would he acknowledge any of it? Or is it too “emotionally dangerous” for him to really look at himself. He is protecting his own image of himself massively isn’t he to make himself feel superior, hence the really corrosive snobbery about your family. It’s so unkind. I couldn’t live with it I’m afraid.

What age are your DCs op? I am sure you are considering his influence on them when thinking about the future. He doesn’t sound like a great role model tbh. And more than that, they need a cheerful and positive mother, not one weighed down by a miserable relationship.

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