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Awkwardness/neediness or is it just me?

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Rayvn · 10/10/2024 12:23

I've been seeing my boyfriend for just over a year but it's been quite off and on because I just keep feeling so stifled and pressured by him...

He thinks he could be autistic - my eldest son is and I think I am too and I do recognise some of the social awkwardness stuff in my boyfriend, but something about him doesn't feel quite right, although I'm not sure what that something is....it doesn't feel quite like autism, or only autism, that's causing his 'issues' (if they even are issues - maybe it's just me over reacting and he would be another woman's ideal of an ideal man!)

If you average out the amount of times we've spent together over the year it probably averages out to seeing him once a month or so.

Although I do love him, I feel like as we haven't seen each other much we should be acting like we're still in the first flush of dating; just going on fun dates, not declaring love every day, just...chilled and relaxed. He knew me as a friend prior to dating so to him, we're a long term, serious couple in love.

We've talked about this and he says he'll chill but whenever we meet up, he will kiss me for hours at a time (literally, just an hour of kissing, staring into my eyes, giggling then kissing again), sit on the bed with me but hold my hand the whole time or rest his head on my shoulder (which always feels a bit weird to me, like that's something my kids would do), the minute we walk anywhere out of the house he grabs hold of my hand... We went to the cinema last night and it was so awkward the whole time - I'd had a stressful evening anyway so turned up a bit harassed, but wanted to make sure I kept the date and not cancel. Gave him a kiss to say hi, walked into the cinema and went to get some snacks. He said he'd pay but we've spoken about this before and he knows I prefer to pay my own way so I said no need, I'll get my own.
We then went to pay and he spent so much time mithering me about whether I wanted him to pay for mine that the woman serving us got the impression he was paying for it all and charged him for my stuff.

Walking into the screen I just casually mentioned I wasn't sure whether I needed the loo. His response was "yeah" Which I found odd. He does that a lot, when I mention something I've done or would like to do, or just anything I'd expect a bit more of an answer he just says yeah and I'm not sure whether he's heard me or not. I wasnt wanting a full conversation over my toilet needs, but if he'd said he same I might've just said something like "oh, do you wanna go now then before we head in?".

We got into the cinema and he started saying I should go to the toilet now. I told him I'd decided to wait as I wasn't that desperate but he mentioned it a couple more times. Then as we sat down he went to do what he always does which was hold my hand. I've told him before that I don't feel the need to hold his hand all the way through the film but whenever we come, he always tries. I just find it quite restrictive and we've usually held hands on the way to the cinema and on the way home anyway, plus that day he'd come round at lunchtime and we'd had sex and cuddled for an hour so I thought he might've been able to last 90 mins without feeling the need to hold me.

I could tell he wanted affection though, so I shuffled over so our arms were touching, and a bit later in the film I rested my leg over his - but then he made it weird (imo) but crossing his leg back over mine! I thought he'd maybe put his hand on my knees or something but not turn us into a game of twister!

I then felt him look over at me (a good ten seconds each time) and smile about five times during the film. Everytime I moved he kind of twitched his hand towards me like he thought I was going to hold his hand and then when we came out of the cinema he started walking in the direction of my car - opposite to where he was parked. I asked what he was doing and he said he'd walk me to my car so we walked hand in hand the five mins to my car, then he stood there like he was waiting for a kiss and a cuddle. I went for a peck and he started snogging me in the middle of the car park. At one point I went to open my car door and he stood side by side with me, with his arm round my shoulder.

It just all feels so awkward and unnatural and I either have to put up with it or spend my time constantly telling him he's being affectionate wrong, which sir what I say but must be how it comes across when I jokingly point out something and tell him he could've acted less awkwardly and more natural (for example don't stand side by side with your arm round my shoulder, maybe put it round my waist and face my more if you really want to cuddle while I'm unlocking my car).

We bickered slightly after that, with me saying I don't believe people really hold hands at the cinema, he told me other people he'd been with had seen that as normal, then I said all the overtime affection feels a bit claustrophobic and kind of all puts me off him a bit, to which he replied "I think at this moment in time, anything would put you off me". So I told him not to be so blamey, said goodbye and went home.

By the time I'd got home ten minutes later he'd messaged saying "honey, sorry I was rude to you. I love you more than anything and we maybe slightly incompatible with how we show affection, but what I'm saying is that I'm wanting to get to know you more and want to treat you the way that's good for you because you're worth it to me. I've had a great time seeing you twice in one day... You're amazing. Thank you 😘".

I then mentioned that I just feel it's a bit needy and claustrophobic and that in secure enough in myself and us as a couple to be able to make it through a 90 minute film without needing to hold his hand and wonder whether he'd be more compatible with someone like his ex wife who loved the idea of him being obsessed with her (I was tired and hungry by this point so lashed out a bit).

His reply was "Oi, shush! We're in this mess because I like you too much and I'm kinda going over the top making sure you're happy because I never quite believe my luck! Every single time i just need to know you're fine. So... Yay?! 😆
Ugh.
Anyway, I love you loads and I've had a rainbow of emotions today so exhausted! Definitely feel like I'm gonna enjoy my sleep tonight x"

That sort of felt like he thinks I should be grateful that he's forcing unwanted affection on me but I left the conversation there and said goodnight.

This morning he's trying to message and speak like normal but I just can't snap back to I love yous and stuff l because he's soooo over the top with his affection and words, it almost feels fake!

Am I just being horrible or is he a little bit too needy and clingy?

OP posts:
YellowRoom · 10/10/2024 21:56

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 21:49

I did, once before, because he kept on and on begging to try again (during one of the breaks I requested) But felt guilty and unblocked eventually. He then told me how crap and worthless it had made him feel and got me to promise I wouldn't ever block him again.

So, guilt I suppose.

I do like him, he was a friend before this. Just wish he didn't keep acting so clingy :(

But he is clingy and weird and erodes your boundaries. I don't think that you keeping contact because you feel guilty is doing either him or you any good. Set him free to meet a woman who adores holding hands and hours of snogging/giggling.

Serene135 · 10/10/2024 22:52

I actually thought he was a teenager until you said you are both in your forties. He sounds a little immature. His behaviour would be a little too much for me.

SwedishEdith · 10/10/2024 23:00

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 17:57

I know, but now it's my fault... genuinely actually feel like this is sending me crazy!

Are you the one who's called him "genuinely mentally ill"? This "relationship" is nonsense and that's pretty unkind and unhelpful.

offyoujollywelltrot · 10/10/2024 23:10

For both of your sakes, end it. You are two different people.

Katielovesteatime · 10/10/2024 23:25

It's odd that you've made a point to state that you're a 'long term serious couple in love' when, from your OP, it sounds like you're none of those things. You see him once a month? You've only been together a year? You don't seem to even like him and seem extremely irritated by everything he does. Why not just leave him?

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 10/10/2024 23:33

I don't think your replies were called for there. 'You're genuinely mentally ill' because he's upset at being dumped?!

You clearly aren't into the guy but stop making that his problem and just dump him without being abusive about it.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 10/10/2024 23:39

Gosh that's such hard work, it's hard to believe you are both in your forties.
Just end it, it's the best decision for both of you.
Life is tooooo short !

letmego24 · 10/10/2024 23:40

You just sound very irritated. He's obviously very keen on you and maybe you are not so much into him, bottom line.

itsmylife7 · 10/10/2024 23:56

I'm sure there's some women who'd love to be snogged for an hour and hold hands constantly,but you're not one of them.

End the relationship

I do think you calling him mentally ill was a bit over the top.

Cardinalita90 · 11/10/2024 00:07

Firstly it's not you - his behaviour is suffocating, boundary-trampling and highly manipulative (thinking of his texts to you).

But you are sending mixed messages if you keep engaging and unblocking because you feel guilty. Behaviour is a language and you're telling him you dont really mean or want to end it by unblocking so he thinks he has to trample your boundaries hard enough and you'll cave. I would send one final message to the effect of "Hi X. This is no longer working for me and I don't wish to see or communicate with you any further. Take care" , block and MEAN IT!!

Eenameenadeeka · 11/10/2024 00:25

You just sound super incompatible. He does sound needy, but it sounds like you don't actually like him. You need to go 7-10 days to feel able to see him again? Most people want to see their partner a lot - it's not something you need to recover from? He sounds insecure but it kind of makes sense because he can tell that you aren't really into him. Just break up.

Rayvn · 11/10/2024 07:27

Thanks all. Calling him genuinely mentally ill was how I felt at the time - he's calling it autism and anxiety but I have anxiety (so am 'genuinely mentally ill!') and my reactions are extreme sometimes but this feels like his whole way of thinking is skewed. Plus it started to scare me, honestly. The delusion coming across in what he was saying was alarming.

Like, he's now asking to see me twice a week as just friends, because one time I explained that instead of going 0-60 immediately (which is how he treated relationships), usually people date with the intention of possibly being in a relationship eventually, not treating it like a serious thing straight away. So now he wants to be "friends with the intention of being in a relationship" and he spent all afternoon yesterday trying to convince me that he's "fine now" and "gets where he's gone wrong".

He can't seem to understand that his habit of moving really quickly in a relationship is an ingrained behaviour and he won't be able to change it without a lot of work. He thinks he's fixed now and seeing me more often but as friends will help.

As an aside; his ex wife wrote a long list once of everything that was 'wrong' with him and showed him, he eventually showed me after I'd asked to see it and it was full of "he love bombed me, was very attentive in the beginning, saying he loved me and asking me to move in with him three weeks after meeting" and mentions of him cycling between depression and mania, his eyes taking on a weird look and disordered thinking plus obsessions with certain women where he talks about them all the time, fantasies about being with them...one of the women mentioned happened to be me as I was a friend at the time and it was friends and exes be was getting these obsessions on - so maybe all that is playing on my mind a bit as well.

Anyway. All signs point to ending it don't they! For his benefit and mine. So thanks everyone.

OP posts:
category12 · 11/10/2024 07:59

That aside is pretty conclusive.

It's not you, it's him.

It's always a bad thing when you repeatedly try to break up with someone and yet you can't seem to.

Stop feeling guilty, give him the heave ho. Even if he isn't a bad person, you're not suited to each other.

Rayvn · 11/10/2024 08:46

category12 · 11/10/2024 07:59

That aside is pretty conclusive.

It's not you, it's him.

It's always a bad thing when you repeatedly try to break up with someone and yet you can't seem to.

Stop feeling guilty, give him the heave ho. Even if he isn't a bad person, you're not suited to each other.

Thanks :(

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TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 11/10/2024 08:46

Why you even started a relationship with him, knowing what the ex said is beyond me. I really think you need some therapy to understand that. Maybe the Freedom Program?

Him saying that he is afraid of you splitting up with him is laying the groundwork for his victim mentality. He can now say: "See, I told you you would. I was right!"

But!! That's his problem, not yours. And don't entertain trying to stay friends with him after you split. This is clearly not a person who can respect boundaries, whether you are together or just as friends. You're going to have to write this one off completely.

Mitherations · 11/10/2024 12:51

This is six and two threes. Despite having all the information hand, still you persist. You're as bad as each other and have created a perfect storm of ridiculousness. You can end it, properly, and mean it, like a grown up, or you can continue like this, it's up to you.

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