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Awkwardness/neediness or is it just me?

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Rayvn · 10/10/2024 12:23

I've been seeing my boyfriend for just over a year but it's been quite off and on because I just keep feeling so stifled and pressured by him...

He thinks he could be autistic - my eldest son is and I think I am too and I do recognise some of the social awkwardness stuff in my boyfriend, but something about him doesn't feel quite right, although I'm not sure what that something is....it doesn't feel quite like autism, or only autism, that's causing his 'issues' (if they even are issues - maybe it's just me over reacting and he would be another woman's ideal of an ideal man!)

If you average out the amount of times we've spent together over the year it probably averages out to seeing him once a month or so.

Although I do love him, I feel like as we haven't seen each other much we should be acting like we're still in the first flush of dating; just going on fun dates, not declaring love every day, just...chilled and relaxed. He knew me as a friend prior to dating so to him, we're a long term, serious couple in love.

We've talked about this and he says he'll chill but whenever we meet up, he will kiss me for hours at a time (literally, just an hour of kissing, staring into my eyes, giggling then kissing again), sit on the bed with me but hold my hand the whole time or rest his head on my shoulder (which always feels a bit weird to me, like that's something my kids would do), the minute we walk anywhere out of the house he grabs hold of my hand... We went to the cinema last night and it was so awkward the whole time - I'd had a stressful evening anyway so turned up a bit harassed, but wanted to make sure I kept the date and not cancel. Gave him a kiss to say hi, walked into the cinema and went to get some snacks. He said he'd pay but we've spoken about this before and he knows I prefer to pay my own way so I said no need, I'll get my own.
We then went to pay and he spent so much time mithering me about whether I wanted him to pay for mine that the woman serving us got the impression he was paying for it all and charged him for my stuff.

Walking into the screen I just casually mentioned I wasn't sure whether I needed the loo. His response was "yeah" Which I found odd. He does that a lot, when I mention something I've done or would like to do, or just anything I'd expect a bit more of an answer he just says yeah and I'm not sure whether he's heard me or not. I wasnt wanting a full conversation over my toilet needs, but if he'd said he same I might've just said something like "oh, do you wanna go now then before we head in?".

We got into the cinema and he started saying I should go to the toilet now. I told him I'd decided to wait as I wasn't that desperate but he mentioned it a couple more times. Then as we sat down he went to do what he always does which was hold my hand. I've told him before that I don't feel the need to hold his hand all the way through the film but whenever we come, he always tries. I just find it quite restrictive and we've usually held hands on the way to the cinema and on the way home anyway, plus that day he'd come round at lunchtime and we'd had sex and cuddled for an hour so I thought he might've been able to last 90 mins without feeling the need to hold me.

I could tell he wanted affection though, so I shuffled over so our arms were touching, and a bit later in the film I rested my leg over his - but then he made it weird (imo) but crossing his leg back over mine! I thought he'd maybe put his hand on my knees or something but not turn us into a game of twister!

I then felt him look over at me (a good ten seconds each time) and smile about five times during the film. Everytime I moved he kind of twitched his hand towards me like he thought I was going to hold his hand and then when we came out of the cinema he started walking in the direction of my car - opposite to where he was parked. I asked what he was doing and he said he'd walk me to my car so we walked hand in hand the five mins to my car, then he stood there like he was waiting for a kiss and a cuddle. I went for a peck and he started snogging me in the middle of the car park. At one point I went to open my car door and he stood side by side with me, with his arm round my shoulder.

It just all feels so awkward and unnatural and I either have to put up with it or spend my time constantly telling him he's being affectionate wrong, which sir what I say but must be how it comes across when I jokingly point out something and tell him he could've acted less awkwardly and more natural (for example don't stand side by side with your arm round my shoulder, maybe put it round my waist and face my more if you really want to cuddle while I'm unlocking my car).

We bickered slightly after that, with me saying I don't believe people really hold hands at the cinema, he told me other people he'd been with had seen that as normal, then I said all the overtime affection feels a bit claustrophobic and kind of all puts me off him a bit, to which he replied "I think at this moment in time, anything would put you off me". So I told him not to be so blamey, said goodbye and went home.

By the time I'd got home ten minutes later he'd messaged saying "honey, sorry I was rude to you. I love you more than anything and we maybe slightly incompatible with how we show affection, but what I'm saying is that I'm wanting to get to know you more and want to treat you the way that's good for you because you're worth it to me. I've had a great time seeing you twice in one day... You're amazing. Thank you 😘".

I then mentioned that I just feel it's a bit needy and claustrophobic and that in secure enough in myself and us as a couple to be able to make it through a 90 minute film without needing to hold his hand and wonder whether he'd be more compatible with someone like his ex wife who loved the idea of him being obsessed with her (I was tired and hungry by this point so lashed out a bit).

His reply was "Oi, shush! We're in this mess because I like you too much and I'm kinda going over the top making sure you're happy because I never quite believe my luck! Every single time i just need to know you're fine. So... Yay?! 😆
Ugh.
Anyway, I love you loads and I've had a rainbow of emotions today so exhausted! Definitely feel like I'm gonna enjoy my sleep tonight x"

That sort of felt like he thinks I should be grateful that he's forcing unwanted affection on me but I left the conversation there and said goodnight.

This morning he's trying to message and speak like normal but I just can't snap back to I love yous and stuff l because he's soooo over the top with his affection and words, it almost feels fake!

Am I just being horrible or is he a little bit too needy and clingy?

OP posts:
workplaceshenanigans · 10/10/2024 15:03

He has no respect for your boundaries whatsoever. His reasons for behaving like that are completely irrelevant, and are actually bordering on physical assault. You don't like it and that is reason enough for you to tell him to stop, and he won't.

Dump him.

MarginallyBetter · 10/10/2024 16:17

Opentooffers · 10/10/2024 14:44

I'm going to not go with the crowd on this one. It's horses for courses and your autism probably does play a part in why physical touch and attention bothers you. I would have no issue whatsoever with holding hands during a movie. Can't say I'd mind about most of what your BF does. However, you do mind, and he's either not accepting, or ignoring that which is pushy.
Having said all that I'd find only meeting once a month unsustainable for a relationship. In fact, anything less than once a week, and I'd feel disconnected and probably couldn't just switch to loving mode once a month either. Why so little seen of each other?
I think the problem lies it such infrequent meetups. That's going to drive a wedge.

But while the OP says they meet 'on average' once a month, she describes them meeting three individual times during a 48 hour period in her post...?

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 16:38

SwedishEdith · 10/10/2024 14:49

I think you're both incompatible with each other. In a new relationship, where you're still getting to know each other but really like each other, I would think loosely holding hands in the cinema for some of the film would be fine. Saying "Yeah" to your toilet comment is also fine because it's such a dull thing to say so I wouldn't care either. But his messages about "rainbows of emotions" etc would be the red flags to me that we simply don't speak the same language. Just end it now as, other than sex, I can't see what you're getting out of this.

Oh yeah some of the film, fine. But I have to prise my hand out of his to change position while he's holding his hand there waiting for me to come back. And the entire film just seems a bit excessive.

To answer others questions... What happens is we see each other, he then gets insanely touchy feely (like walking through town grabs my hand, I move it away to give him a signal I don't want to do that just yet as we're walking through a crowd or something, he keeps going for my hand and I end up telling him I dont want to hold hands at the moment) or tells me he's thinking of things me, him and my children can do together "like Blackpool illuminations" (theyre teenagers) and when I tell him he's a bit over keen or moving a bit quickly he tells me I'm the love of his life and he sees me as marriage material and it all becomes too much.

I just want to date the guy and see where it goes, but he seems incapable of moving at a normal pace. Maybe I'm a bit glacial about it all but there's no middle ground from him, so I feel completely put off the idea and end up needing space

He went to see his counsellor earlier, messaged me to say he's worked out what's at the root of his issues (after an hour) and that it's because some family members died, he felt the need to wrap his mum and nan up in cotton wool in case they ended up in a mental hospital and I lose them too (his exact words), it's his fear of losing me that makes him pile affection on me and check I'm okay and enjoying myself... Then in the next message asked if I'm free this weekend.
And I'm just reading his messages like...wtf?!

OP posts:
KimFan · 10/10/2024 16:42

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 16:38

Oh yeah some of the film, fine. But I have to prise my hand out of his to change position while he's holding his hand there waiting for me to come back. And the entire film just seems a bit excessive.

To answer others questions... What happens is we see each other, he then gets insanely touchy feely (like walking through town grabs my hand, I move it away to give him a signal I don't want to do that just yet as we're walking through a crowd or something, he keeps going for my hand and I end up telling him I dont want to hold hands at the moment) or tells me he's thinking of things me, him and my children can do together "like Blackpool illuminations" (theyre teenagers) and when I tell him he's a bit over keen or moving a bit quickly he tells me I'm the love of his life and he sees me as marriage material and it all becomes too much.

I just want to date the guy and see where it goes, but he seems incapable of moving at a normal pace. Maybe I'm a bit glacial about it all but there's no middle ground from him, so I feel completely put off the idea and end up needing space

He went to see his counsellor earlier, messaged me to say he's worked out what's at the root of his issues (after an hour) and that it's because some family members died, he felt the need to wrap his mum and nan up in cotton wool in case they ended up in a mental hospital and I lose them too (his exact words), it's his fear of losing me that makes him pile affection on me and check I'm okay and enjoying myself... Then in the next message asked if I'm free this weekend.
And I'm just reading his messages like...wtf?!

Sounds like he needs the mental hospital! 😂

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 16:46

MarginallyBetter · 10/10/2024 16:17

But while the OP says they meet 'on average' once a month, she describes them meeting three individual times during a 48 hour period in her post...?

Yeah, I would usually leave 7-10 days before I felt able to see him again as that's usually how long it takes for him to calm down with the declarations of love, plus I sort of struggle processing my emotions as I tend to detach quite a bit after he's been so over the top. And we've had a couple of longer breaks initiated by me when I ask him to go away and work on himself or we'll never work out.

But this week I really tried - saw him more often even though last night for example my son felt ill just as I was about to leave for the cinema (my son is also autistic) which would usually push me into cancelling but thought no, I'll be reliable to my boyfriend doesn't get anxious etc... but seeing him more often didn't seem to have helped with his - what he calls - anxiety.

OP posts:
Lurkingandlearning · 10/10/2024 16:59

Another person using being sooo in love as an excuse to trample boundaries and force what pleases them on the other person

category12 · 10/10/2024 17:12

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 16:38

Oh yeah some of the film, fine. But I have to prise my hand out of his to change position while he's holding his hand there waiting for me to come back. And the entire film just seems a bit excessive.

To answer others questions... What happens is we see each other, he then gets insanely touchy feely (like walking through town grabs my hand, I move it away to give him a signal I don't want to do that just yet as we're walking through a crowd or something, he keeps going for my hand and I end up telling him I dont want to hold hands at the moment) or tells me he's thinking of things me, him and my children can do together "like Blackpool illuminations" (theyre teenagers) and when I tell him he's a bit over keen or moving a bit quickly he tells me I'm the love of his life and he sees me as marriage material and it all becomes too much.

I just want to date the guy and see where it goes, but he seems incapable of moving at a normal pace. Maybe I'm a bit glacial about it all but there's no middle ground from him, so I feel completely put off the idea and end up needing space

He went to see his counsellor earlier, messaged me to say he's worked out what's at the root of his issues (after an hour) and that it's because some family members died, he felt the need to wrap his mum and nan up in cotton wool in case they ended up in a mental hospital and I lose them too (his exact words), it's his fear of losing me that makes him pile affection on me and check I'm okay and enjoying myself... Then in the next message asked if I'm free this weekend.
And I'm just reading his messages like...wtf?!

He's really really pushy and he's all about what he wants.

Stop seeing him.

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 17:18

category12 · 10/10/2024 17:12

He's really really pushy and he's all about what he wants.

Stop seeing him.

I think you're right. He just keeps repeating "I'm fine, I get it" whilst still repeating be needs to see me more and that will help. I'm starting to wonder whether he's actually seriously mentally ill...

OP posts:
FictionalCharacter · 10/10/2024 17:19

whenever we meet up, he will kiss me for hours at a time (literally, just an hour of kissing, staring into my eyes, giggling then kissing again
This is not normal, at all. He’s very strange indeed. It isn’t typical of autism and it’s much more than a bit of neediness.
Whatever is causing it, you don’t like it. Time to go.

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 17:38

I think everyone who said he needs to go is right... This is what I have to deal with anytime I say anything that he perceives to be 'negative' though...

Awkwardness/neediness or is it just me?
OP posts:
category12 · 10/10/2024 17:43

Ending it means you don't have to deal with any of that any more, though.

Just tell him it's no longer working for you and wish him a nice life. If you have any of his belongings, bag them up and post them to him or something.

You are not obliged to listen to anything further from him once you've ended it. You can go ahead and block him if he keeps on.

Grimacethethird353 · 10/10/2024 17:46

Mid-forties? 😯

Just let him down gently op.

Psychoticbreak · 10/10/2024 17:55

Im exhausted just reading about him.

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 17:57

category12 · 10/10/2024 17:43

Ending it means you don't have to deal with any of that any more, though.

Just tell him it's no longer working for you and wish him a nice life. If you have any of his belongings, bag them up and post them to him or something.

You are not obliged to listen to anything further from him once you've ended it. You can go ahead and block him if he keeps on.

I know, but now it's my fault... genuinely actually feel like this is sending me crazy!

Awkwardness/neediness or is it just me?
OP posts:
Teeshs · 10/10/2024 18:26

Honestly OP, what are you doing?
How have you tolerated such nonsense?

Mitherations · 10/10/2024 18:40

Tell him, block him, move on. He doesn't have to agree to being dumped.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/10/2024 19:12

End this so called relationship before you are further over invested in it. This individual is really in no position to be in a relationship at all.

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 10/10/2024 19:27

He's a Klingon.

KimFan · 10/10/2024 20:28

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 17:57

I know, but now it's my fault... genuinely actually feel like this is sending me crazy!

This is so ridiculous, he sounds like a teenager! A thick teenager at that. Nip it in the bud now and be clear that it’s over otherwise I fear stalker vibes!

Cherrysoup · 10/10/2024 20:38

Is he also a horrible sex pest? I simply could not be bothered with the suffocation and endless neediness, he sounds incredibly insecure.

Psychoticbreak · 10/10/2024 20:42

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 10/10/2024 19:27

He's a Klingon.

Yes but in the 'man with hairy bum cannot remove poo from arsehair' type of klingon. Or cling-on.

MoleAndBadger · 10/10/2024 20:57

Just end it already, walk away. You don't have to be with him. It's all far too stressy.

cuddlebear · 10/10/2024 21:19

Why are you still communicating with him? Just block him and move on.

You’re just dragging it out.

Rayvn · 10/10/2024 21:49

cuddlebear · 10/10/2024 21:19

Why are you still communicating with him? Just block him and move on.

You’re just dragging it out.

I did, once before, because he kept on and on begging to try again (during one of the breaks I requested) But felt guilty and unblocked eventually. He then told me how crap and worthless it had made him feel and got me to promise I wouldn't ever block him again.

So, guilt I suppose.

I do like him, he was a friend before this. Just wish he didn't keep acting so clingy :(

OP posts:
RedHelenB · 10/10/2024 21:53

MarginallyBetter · 10/10/2024 13:28

Genuinely, I can't decide which is you is weirder, or whether I would less want to be in a relationship with someone who tries to hug me when I'm unlocking my car or someone who says things like 'I can't decide whether I need to wee or not' at the cinema and then gets cross because the other person doesn't reply to this brilliant insight.

This clearly isn't working for anyone. Why not release him to pursue someone who likes holding hands? Then you can find someone who lets you pay for your own cinema tickets and replies to you saying you don't know if you want to go to the loo.

This. If he only sees you once a month it doesn't seem OTT to want to touch his girlfriend.