Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Have I over-reacted... or... would you feel the same?

36 replies

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 20:46

A bit of background. I reunited with my first love from university days a few years ago. We are both fast approaching 60. Both of us have been through the mill, he lost close relatives a couple of years back and I lost a parent only recently, as well as suffering some health problems myself.

We are also long distance. We met in Paris in the eighties and that's where I did my year abroad at art college and he has lived there for over 30 years now, he's originally from Algeria. He has property in Spain and we would often spend a few weeks together there, several times a year, as most of his close family live there. We have had some fairly hefty disagreements in the past (not due to language as we both speak fluent French and Spanish), and at one point I ended it and we didn't speak to each other for almost one year.

I realise this doesn't sound ideal. There was always a view to him coming to the UK at some point and settling here, with us spending extended periods in Spain. Personal circumstances, illness, deaths in the family etc. etc. have all happened. He was very supportive towards me when my father was ill, and when he passed away. Although he did not come here, I was able to take a break in Spain and recharge my batteries. We would keep in touch via Whatsapp every day, usually without fail.

What has really upset me, and this actually happened last year, is that the last time I spent any lengthy period of time with him, which was last May, before I travelled out to see him, he made an odd comment that "even if I get married, my wife would have to understand that I will always be there for you and she would need to accept that you would come to stay, to have a rest". We had been arguing over the phone and didn't speak for a while. At one point he said he wanted to get married, as that was "expected" of him, to a certain extent, but I have never wanted to be married and said it was unnecessary, that love keeps people together, not a piece of paper.

Anyway, off I went and while I was out in Spain with him, I discovered that his sister-in-law had arranged for him to meet a friend of his, with a view to marriage. Yep, tis a cultural thing. He had told her that her friend was beautiful but would probably not want anything to do with him. He told her to try to arrange the meeting nevertheless and send his photo and then this woman said she didn't want to meet him. At the time, we were together. He was telling me he loved me and "never even thought about another woman".

Now I feel like the second choice. It has been festering and festering and when I finally challenged him about it on Whatsapp, he didn't answer me at all, nor did he attempt to whitewash it or excuse it, nor reassure me. So I've angrily told him to get lost.

Would you all feel the same??

OP posts:
Starlightstarbright3 · 06/10/2024 20:51

You are both approaching 60 - you met at uni ..

honestly if it hasn’t happened in all this time it isn’t right .

MissBattleaxe · 06/10/2024 20:53

Why hasn't he married before the age of sixty if it's a cultural thing?

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 20:56

He has been married, twice before. So divorced twice. Interestingly, albeit jokingly, one of his friends said that it was because we should have married long ago and the first two wives were bad decisions. 😂

OP posts:
yeesh · 06/10/2024 21:01

he had openly told you he is looking for a wife, why are you sticking around?

Talulahalula · 06/10/2024 21:05

okay, I started to post not understanding the situation, but can see you have updated.

His friends joking about this man’s first two wives being bad decisions are not doing you any favours. The fact is that he did not marry you, he married them. And whilst he is now in a relationship with you, he and his family seem to think he might still marry someone else. Do his family know he is with you?

The reason I mean his friends are not doing you any favours is because they are making you think you have always been his no 1 and he just has to realise this, but goodness me, if that is true, he is slow on the uptake. Far more it seems like he wants to keep you on the side and try and make a marriage elsewhere. Whatever story he spins you about this, the comment about you still visiting when he gets married shows this. (Edited to add: I also think the comment about the first two wives being bad decisions is quite mean. It reflects badly on your man if he really did marry twice whilst wanting to be with you. That’s two women’s lives messed up).

Clearly you have had a difficult time and have been able to support each other, and that is valuable, but I am afraid I cannot see this will be any more than someone you visit for some time in the sun. He will never close the door on you, I don’t think, but neither does he seem to be committing to a future with you. So you are going to have to be the one to call it a day if you don’t want to be the bit on the side forever after.

Towerofsong · 06/10/2024 21:08

Given that he is approaching 60 and has been married twice it's hard to imagine he is still under family or cultural pressure to get remarried.
And if he is that connected to his culture that he is under pressure, and he feels he should, then that means he probably views a relationship without marriage as 'not a full relationship'. His view of a relationship without marriage is very different to your view.

He wanted to meet the suggested woman. He is not seeing you as marriage material, possibly that's because you have been clear you don't wish to marry, but that is the bottom line.

Add to that distance and rarely spending time together despite only being in France / UK, it's not sounding good.

WalkingaroundJardine · 06/10/2024 21:09

Hmmmm. I would slowly back away. It doesn’t seem like he is a good prospect, unless you are content not to expect very much.

Waterboatlass · 06/10/2024 21:13

Sounds a bit chaotic. Why can't you be close friends and enjoy that for what it is?

Olika · 06/10/2024 21:16

If he saw you as his life partner he would have made it clear. If you are looking for a meaningful relationship with someone wine then this is not the man.

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 21:16

He has been married twice because we split up in the nineties and lost touch. He found me again on the dreaded Facebook.

I have always been sceptical about marriage and never wanted it. I made that clear to him, that it was unnecessary.

It does sound, from what other friends have told me, as well as reading between the lines, that both his previous marriages ended badly, with both wives leaving him.

OP posts:
Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 21:18

Yes, I have backed away, albeit quickly rather than slowly. It's good to get these responses. I did the right thing. I felt insulted by his actions not aligning with his words, I have been lie to. I felt like the safe option, the one who would always stick around. It's fairly telling that since I told him I know he was looking for a wife while keeping me dangling on a string, that the sound of crickets is all that's emitting from his direction.

OP posts:
Changeyourfuckingcar · 06/10/2024 21:19

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 20:56

He has been married, twice before. So divorced twice. Interestingly, albeit jokingly, one of his friends said that it was because we should have married long ago and the first two wives were bad decisions. 😂

Sounds like the two of you getting married would’ve been a bad decision that ended in divorce too. This relationship is an absolute disaster, you’re setting yourself up for heartache further down the line if you insist on keeping on down this road. He may well have been your first love but that doesn’t count for anything, honestly.

Opentooffers · 06/10/2024 21:22

He clearly sees you as a long term friend/fwb, but it sounds like you think you are more than that. He's confused you by being vague generally, but has dropped quite a lot of hints now by saying he'd still like to see you on the side while he has a wife - charming! Again you've ignored this despite acknowledging he's said it, what it means hasn't sunk in to you.
As well as all that, you're in the UK and don't sound like you want to change that. He may have once upon a time considered moving to the UK, but it doesn't look like he is up for that presently. Does he have UK citizenship even? Without marriage is it even possible for him?
You are basically his long term fwb while he carries on his bachelor life looking for a wife. I hope you haven't assumed he's monogamous with you? It's doubtful.
Don't stop living as a single woman in the UK, and don't wait for him or show him any loyalty as I doubt he ever has. The distance for him has been ideal, he can do as he likes while you remain ignorant of it all.

IfYouLook · 06/10/2024 21:22

It doesn’t sound like the reality - you have no concrete plans, haven’t seen each properly since last May ?? (is that right?), he’s exploring other marriage options is very different from your fantasy (a lot of which seems based on recreating the past). When both parties want to be together, it will happen. Sounds like that is the case. Stop making excuses for him (“his culture” etc) and move on unless you are happy with this.
Maybe it would be helpful for you to honestly assess who puts actual effort into this relationship. Him “letting you come to his place to Spain to recover”. You - schlepping about to see him.

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 21:27

Loving the replies. Thank you everyone!!! The number of times I have walked away from him in the past and I'm finally taking my power back. I've had interest from a couple of local guys as well recently now I must have a single vibe.

I think nostalgia has kept me stuck. And his persistence in chasing me every time I walked, convincing me I'd made a mistake to leave each time.

OP posts:
Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 21:28

"Maybe it would be helpful for you to honestly assess who puts actual effort into this relationship. Him “letting you come to his place to Spain to recover”. You - schlepping about to see him."

Yessssssssssssss, thank you!! He has NEVER made the effort to come to me.... despite being able to travel on a European passport!

OP posts:
IfYouLook · 06/10/2024 21:31

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 21:28

"Maybe it would be helpful for you to honestly assess who puts actual effort into this relationship. Him “letting you come to his place to Spain to recover”. You - schlepping about to see him."

Yessssssssssssss, thank you!! He has NEVER made the effort to come to me.... despite being able to travel on a European passport!

Oh @Quartzrain - there’s your answer. That’s nuts. You aren’t in a proper, equal relationship with this man at all. Please don’t waste any more time on him.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 06/10/2024 21:36

Him talking to you about what would happen when he marries someone else should tell you where you stand in this madness

StormingNorman · 06/10/2024 21:38

It sounds like he accidentally let his truth slip out. He loves you and wants you in his life forever, but he doesn’t see you as the primary female relationship in his life. This is probably because he wants to marry and you don’t.

The crickets could be because he’s realised you are not comfortable with him looking for a wife while having you own relationship.

The only way to move past this is bring it up lightly. Next time he mentions marriage say something along the lines of “I wonder what it would have been like if we’d married”. His response will tell you a lot.

RichTea90 · 06/10/2024 21:40

I am going to be blunt here — do you want to marry him?

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 21:43

RichTea90 · 06/10/2024 21:40

I am going to be blunt here — do you want to marry him?

I don't like the idea of marriage. I've seen it go wrong too many times. I have many divorced friends who lost out financially afterwards and I stand to lose quite a bit.

OP posts:
RichTea90 · 06/10/2024 21:59

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 21:43

I don't like the idea of marriage. I've seen it go wrong too many times. I have many divorced friends who lost out financially afterwards and I stand to lose quite a bit.

Well then to me it sounds like you both care a lot for each other but you simply are not compatible. Your views and goals are too opposing. For that reason, I’m sorry - but you cannot expect him to remain unmarried for you if he wishes to marry be that for his own personal motivations or cultural reasons.

Quartzrain · 06/10/2024 22:11

I should also add that a few years back, his brother said their Dad wanted us to get married and semi-jokingly, we went and chose "engagement" rings. I love silver and have a beautiful sterling silver filigree ring, not a classic stone (blood diamonds, yukkkk etc...), and he got a lovely plain silver band. As soon as we got back to France, he stopped wearing the ring... go figure!!!

OP posts:
JanglingJack · 06/10/2024 22:11

You are his beard.

Toopies · 06/10/2024 22:20

Do not consider marriage if it would jeopardise your finances in any way.
Your retirement is approaching.
Protect your money carefully.
Move on from him.

Swipe left for the next trending thread