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Major issues with FIL, his attitude and (Legally owned!) gun causing havoc in family....help!

53 replies

whataconundrum · 22/04/2008 09:27

Am so fed up.

Have a lovely DH and nice family generally but my FIL is an utter imbecile. It has gotten so bad that we cannot arrange family celebrations, and my Ds hardly ever sees his grandma

Ok deep breath...... my FIL and I are like chalk and cheese, he is heavily into hunting, shooting, fishing etc etc, anything that involves killing things.

He is opinionated and has repulsive ideas about people and life in general. he rules my MIL with a quietly controlling iron rod.

For the past year or so I find him so appalling that I cannot bear to go to their home. I do not feel comfortable that he owns a gun even though it is locked up as per the rules and regs. I do not want my DS to become contaminated by this man, hear all about his disgusting thoughts and see his hunting paraphernalia all over the place.

His grandma keeps inviting us over and I have come up with every excuse in the book, I just didnt want to hurt her feelings as it will involve telling her 'that is it' I findyour DH so awful that i literally cannot bear to lay eyes on him.

My Dh will not get involved and it is causing major rows and upset.

Sorry for rant, just so so and frustrated.

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whataconundrum · 22/04/2008 10:48

Purits I have obviously touched a nerve here!

Its a problem because its a problem to me

I thought that was the point of asking for peoples advice etc on here?

Lots of people post about things that wouldn't necessarily upset me but i still try to nderstand their pov.

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whataconundrum · 22/04/2008 10:51

I didnt want to get into an argument about the rights and wrongs of hunting etc.

I was looking for help about my feelings and ways to make things easy for my MIL.

I think if you bothered to read my posts that there is a lot i have NOT been able to say, and its nowt to do with my opinions on fox hunting (WTF?)

Sleepy I have read some of your other posts and they have all been quite nice, what you have said in this one is downright offensive.

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yurt1 · 22/04/2008 10:53

"legal rights or wrongs of his 'hobbies' vile and pathetic as they may "

you're going to upset people who fish with that comment (don't hunt/fish myself).

Agree with cod. You're confusing the issues. You don't like him, but he sounds as if he's sensible with the gun and keeps it locked away so you can't really use that as a reason to not see him etc. If he got the gun out, encouraged ds to use it etc would be different.

sitdownpleasegeorge · 22/04/2008 11:03

I do feel very sorry for your MIL, that you can't be tolerant for her sake. She is presuambly a major factor in the fact that her 3 children turned out OK despite their father's influence.

Alexa808 · 22/04/2008 11:03

My dp and I both own guns and go on shoots. Since when has this become unacceptable and pathetic? Surely everyone is entitled to an opinion and a way of life without vilification (as long as it conforms with society's laws). We're both from the country, ride and fish, yet neither of us would dream of ever letting the guns or cartridges lie around the house. Police regulations make you lock them up safely in a gun cabinet mounted to a brick wall (rightly so). Some of our older friends have learned to shoot as boys aged 5-6 when they were old enough to accompany their fathers. There is no harm in it as long as safety and common sense prevail.

What do you do with your large kitchen knives or the stove? You store them out of reach and educate your kids to stay away from them. Children learn quickly and as long as guns are locked away I cannot see your side of the argument.

What's it with his views of people? Maybe that's more worrying than anything. However, don't forget the guy belongs to another generation and what works for them might not work for you.

I think your dh might be able to soften up this situation.

sophiewd · 22/04/2008 11:04

I was brought up with guns in the house, DD is being brought up with guns in our house, all leagla and above board. I started shooting when I was 13 my sis has only just got interested at the age of 36 so please don't feel that your son is going to be influenced on that score.

Definittely think that your issue is with FIl, but feel very sad that you are going to deprive your son of a member of his family because of your attitude to what your FIL does.

GrrrlInterrupted · 22/04/2008 11:07

i haven't read the whole thread, but my FIL goes on hunts and also keeps a gun. I disagree strongly with both, but it's upto my own kids to decide if they think it's right or wrong. The gun is locked away, and FIL knows that if he ever took the boys near it, or a hunt, he wouldn't see them anymore.

If they grow and decide they want to do things like that, i will be very, very disappointed, but that's their choice to make.

They are their own people, as is FIL. There's no saying your kids will suddenly decide killing animals is cool because their grandfather says so- they may feel quite the opposite.

Irisheyes78 · 22/04/2008 11:07

If the gun is locked away re rules and regs then the children could not get to it providing the keys are kept out of their reach.

My dh is a keen shooter (although not shot lately) and his guns are kept in a special cabinet.

I would say your children are pretty safe to be honest.

Can't remember if you mentioned how old your son is, if he is only a baby then he won't go wandering off on his own and find the gun.

Also, why don't you invite granny to your house if you don't want to see this man?

GrrrlInterrupted · 22/04/2008 11:09

also, it DOES just sound like you don't like HIM. It's not fair to prevent family relationships because of this- if you don't like going to their house, don't go. Make an excuse and let DH take them for a visit. Invite them over, but make sure you're busy 'cooking' and just pop into the living room to be polite and offer them tea.

madamez · 22/04/2008 11:14

Sorry but you need to get a grip. If this man is so vile that his behaviour is illegal then it is a matter for reporting to the police (ie if he is violent or sexually abusive towards you or your DC), if it's just that you don't agree with his attitudes then GET OVER YOURSELF. You cannot protect your children from encountering people you disagree with, and you are actually teaching them bad lessons about life: that different opinions are a contaminant, that they are incapable of drawing their own conclusions about an individual who has minority opinions, and that you can't tolerate any kind of disagreement (how is that going to make them feel when they decide that they don't share some of your opinions?)

sleepycat · 22/04/2008 11:21

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LoopyLena · 22/04/2008 11:26

We have guns in our house. My husband owns rifles, shot guns and airweapons. He used to Target shoot for the county, one of his collegues shoots for the Olympics.

He rough shoots on a local farm, for crop protection. He rough shoots on a golfcourse to stop the rabbits destroying it.

He stalks in Scotland for Deer conservation.

He also goes clay shooting.

I have been Clayshooting and Target shooting. It is a fantastic hobby to have. Our 14 year old Clayshoots, she is excellent and loves it. Our 8 year old wants to learn, but he's not big enough yet to hold the gun.

I don't like the 'killing' side of his shooting, but I am open minded enough to understand why it is done.

We have three children in our home and I was also a registered childminder. Ofsted had no problems with the guns being in the house with children, afterall, they are locked away, fully licensed and inspected regularly by the Police Firearms Department.

To call his hobbies vile and pathetic is a little extreem and to say you don't want your child in a house where there is a gun is also a little extreem.

I understand there are other issues you have with this man, maybe you should sit down and talk them through.

Grandparents aren't around for your kids forever, why deny them?

Life is too short, you choose your friends, but not your family, you are stuck with them, so however hard sometimes, make the most of them. You're a long time dead!

sitdownpleasegeorge · 22/04/2008 11:34

Downright ignorant is possibly nearer the mark for your opinions about rural types and hunting.

Have you ever thought that you and your FIL may have nothing in common with regards your interests/hobbies but the personality clash may be because you are similar in both sticking up for what you believe in and not tolerating other people's opinions.

EffiePerine · 22/04/2008 11:34

I don't understand your problem with him owning a gun (it's his hobby, you don't have to agree with it) esp as he is actually being responsible by locking it away. My DH's grandfaterh used to take pot shots at the local rabbits out of his study window - doesn't seem to have warped him (DH did used to shoot, mainly because it was the only sport at school that involved lying down and occasionally moving one finger).

If you don't like him , fine but I don't think youcan refuse access on that score alone. What does your DH think about this?

Bridie3 · 22/04/2008 12:38

We have a gun in the house; always have done. The local constable comes round once a year or so to check on it and I think this is standard. I could give you a hundred reasons why having a shotgun in the countryside makes sense for some people but you probably aren't rural, so what's the point.

Seabright · 22/04/2008 14:17

I'm not going to comment on the gun issue - it's been done to death and is a very imotive issue.

But, you'd like you MIL to see your DC. Would her be OK with her coming over to you to "babysit"? If so, could you then stay in and have some time with her. What about a trip somewhere he'd find boring (garden, stately home or something). Would she be able to get away for something like that?

She probably knows how everyone feels about your FIL, you probably don't need to say anything to her.

whataconundrum · 22/04/2008 14:24

Thank you to all the posters who have read my original post and who have tried to offer some ideas/ support.

I did not start the thread to upset anyone, and am sorry if offense has occured in the course of the discussion.

Sitdownplease and sleepy, please re-read the posts i have made. i have not once referred to or made sweeping generalisations about 'rural types'.

For what its worth, I am ^a rural type* , I have (apart from when gaining my degree) lived and worked in a rural area surrounded by farming, and yes, even hunting and shooting. My grandfather owned a farm and yes he also owned a gun, which he used to put any of the injured livestock to sleep.
he hated doing it and it would upset him terribly whenever he had to use it.I had and still have a great deal of respect for him and his humanity when it came to caring for his animals.

When I was growing up several of my relatives had rifles and shot animals for sport, we are still friendly although they do not still shoot (can't help but mention that one of them shot himself by accident- thats got to be a good enough reason not to use guns for sport).

I do have strong views about hunting and shooting and I cannot apologise for these, I am as entitled to my opinions as you are to yours. i DO have friends who are part of a local hunt, I respect their views and they mine, in short we agree to disagree and don't dicuss the issue. Please can we in fact remember that hunting is in actual fact illegal these days under most circumstances so suerly my views cannot be that off the wall, although like I have said again and again, I was not posting about the general public, just this one man who unfortunately is part of my family.

if you read my OP the problem with the gun is in the context of his actions and attitude about the rest of life. he is a deeply unpleasant and intimidating man which is probably why his possesion of a lethal weapon scares me. Unfortunately guns are NOT always used exactly for the purposes they are sold and licenced, you only have to watch the news for gods sakes!
A very dear friend of our family killed himself with his shotgun a few years back and if he hadn't had access to such an effective means he would probably have lived long enough to get some help. So you see guns have touched my life already.

Aside from that surely there is enough pain and suffering in this world without bringings into our homes.

I realise that i have probably come across as highly intolerant but that is not my general life stance, it is this particular man and the way he exerts such a malign influence over everything he encounters.

The posters who have pointed out that I cannot protect my Ds from other people and their opinions, of course you are correct but I do have a duty to stop him being upset and in contact with people that seem to hate the world and everything in it.

I have already tried to encourage/offer my MIL every opportunity to come over here, any time!! But she is very reluctant. I truly don't know why but can only suspect it is something to do with FIL,as i said before he is very controlling.

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NorthernLurker · 22/04/2008 14:33

If you feel his temper and behaviour makes him an unsuitable person to hold a shotgun licence then call the police and explain your concerns. If you just don't like him and are letting yourself get carried away with that - then just get over it.

(Oh and I was offended by your description of his hobbies as vile and pathetic - that was totally unnecessary imo)

LoopyLena · 22/04/2008 14:34

I am assuming that your FIL's gun is locked in a cabinet and he has a license.

As a part of this licence, he needs to be of sound mind and not the sort of person that would use the gun for other than what the license allows.

If you feel that may happen, contact the firearm deptartment, who will then investigate.

My husband suffered after his son died and was deeply worried about going to the doctors for anti depressents or counselling as this would have had implications with his gun license and he could have had the guns removed from the house. He's ok now, so it's no longer an issue.

Just thought I'd mention it.

whataconundrum · 22/04/2008 14:37

Northern, you make a valid point, i have thought seriously about this but i am to tell you the honest to god truth a bit scared of what he will do if he found out who 'shopped' him.

I can't help how i feel about his hobbies, i do find killing for fun sickening, but I Do apologise if I have caused offense in the way i have phrased myself.

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whataconundrum · 22/04/2008 14:39

loopy, very sorry about your DH's son .

I don feel FIL is not really fit to hold a licence but he (as far as I know) has nothing on his medical record that would preclude this.

Its all just a right old mess.

Maybe i will emigrate!

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NorthernLurker · 22/04/2008 14:43

Lena - two minds with a single thought there!

Whataconundrum - if you are that scared of him then I'm not sure he is a fit person to own a gun tbh. I am sure the police would be discreet - but there's only so many people it could be in this sort of situation. Thank you for the apology. I come from a country background - have never fired a gun in my life - but I will always stand up for a way of life and living that is my heritage.

MoreSpamThanGlam · 22/04/2008 18:15

I really think that you have to think about your MIL, Dh and dc in this. We all encounter complete numpties like this in life and I really think the way that you handle him will show your child a far better lesson than avoiding "a bully" altogether.

You seem to have got yourself so wound tight over him (and I dont blame you - I know the type) that you cannot see anything else but his behaviour.

it seems that these are the facts -

a - This man will not change, not your MIL
b - You want your child to have a relationship with MIL
c - She will not/cannot come to you.

Therefore I think a stiff brandy before you visit and just concentrate on enjoying your MIL with your dc.

GryffinGirl · 22/04/2008 19:39

As other posters have said, you are confusing the gun issue with your dislike of your FIL and his views/behaviour - is your DS upset by him? You don;t say how old your DS is.

It seems to me that the OP is worried that her FIL's views and hobbies, which are contrary to her own, may rub off on her DS that that is why cunundrun doesn't want her DS to be around her FIL. OP - are you worried your DS will be interested in country sports which you abhor?

I'm not trying to stir, but to work out what is getting the OP riled. My FIL is a fairly "challenging" character too, so I do symathise.

FIL may have fairly Daily Mail type views and/or which go against conundrum's views, but by presenting the opposite and exposing your DS to different views and to his grandparents, whom he does have a right to know and enjoy, you can educate him.

GryffinGirl · 22/04/2008 19:40

oh yeah - and brandy before you visit so you don't have to listen to him except through the fug of cognac