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Is abuse ok because of what I done?

40 replies

HASMU · 01/09/2024 19:58

I’m putting myself out there and it’s not a nice topic. But I need some advice.

my marriage ended last year because I had an affair. We have two children and were married for 10 years at the time.
It will never ever be something that I will try and justify or talk my way out of but I need to be honest to get the answers and advice I’m looking for…..

my ex-husband was and is a very controlling man. I never knew anything whatsoever about our finances, from the amount my phone bill cost to how much our credit card bill was.
I moved around the country a lot of times at the decision of my ex-husband and proceeded to start my career over each time, in order for him to progress in his own.

There were multiple situations during our relationship that caused me trauma however if I could turn back time I would NEVER even contemplate doing what I done or leaving as the can of worms that’s now opened is worse than I ever could have imagined.

For the past 18 months, the abuse I have endured and still ongoing is enough to make me want to not be here anymore. In fact, he tells me all the time that I should do exactly that.

Stuff he says:
how worthless I am.
how he will continue to destroy me.
how nobody wants me alive.
how his sister is a better mum to our kids than I ever was (she lives in a diff country and I have our children 30 days a month, he currently sees them 1 day a month)
how my children will one day hate me so much and he’s going to make sure of it
how I’m a worse mum than my own mum was (my mum suffered at the hands of my alcoholic dad for years and worked multiple jobs to provide for us but we didn’t have an extravagant childhood)

he takes pictures of our children when they are on FaceTime to him if they are upset/missing him and then sends them to me to ‘remind’ me what an evil c**t I am for doing this to them.

he has told our daughter why our marriage broke down and proceeded to tell her so much stuff about how I am basically a bad person and mum (in his own clever way) and questioned her everytime he seen her about my whereabouts until she didn’t want to answer the phone to him anymore.
he only stopped when I told him she spoke to me in confidence about it.
he asked her multiple times on the phone to check if my car was in the garden and if I went out what type of make-up I was wearing.

my car is in his name and he continually messages me telling me I’m not permitted to drive it knowing that I have to use it to drive our children to school and clubs and get to work. I pay for the car every month but he tells me he’ll call the police if I attempt to get in it. He’s 5 hours away so he isn’t around doing any school runs etc so he knows this would leave me unable to do this.

he called social services and told them he was worried for my mental health looking after the kids after he told me he would make sure I was destroyed.

I had a lump in my breast that was getting checked for cancer and he told me it was my ‘karma’

my Nan died in January (I was extremely close to her) and the night before her funeral he was messaging me until 2am calling me every name under the sun, and again the morning of.

I could go on and on and on…..

I can’t believe I’m saying this but right now I’m considering relocating and moving closer to him to ease the abuse and attempt to calm him down.

along side all this he frequently tells me he still loves me and misses me. Then he switches back to abuse whenever I don’t respond correctly.

Do I deserve this? He tells me everytime that he’s only speaking the truth. Everything he’s saying is true so therefore it’s not abuse.

I know I hurt him. Badly. And I’ll forever regret not doing things differently.

I really don’t know how to get out of this cycle.

My question is, is his behaviour justified??

OP posts:
BarbaraVineFan · 01/09/2024 20:02

That type of horrific abuse could never be justified, OP. Sending hugs to you, it sounds really awful

LilBowWow · 01/09/2024 20:02

No, it’s not justified. Stop paying for his car. Set up a separate phone for his contact with the children. Do not engage with him about anything else.

lightsandtunnels · 01/09/2024 20:07

No his behaviour is not justified.
It is abuse.
He is vile.
He is trying to control you (well, he is controlling you) and it is not OK.
Do not move closer to him.
You need (imo) to get some legal advice and support OP to help you live your life and build a future for your children and yourself.

HASMU · 01/09/2024 20:11

Thank you for replying. It’s getting very repetitive talking to friends over and over and I’ve wanted to post here for a while for real opinions as some of my friends will support me no matter what I’ve done. I really appreciate it

OP posts:
Wasywasydoodah · 01/09/2024 20:13

Goodness, that’s horrific for you! Please tell the police everything. It’s coercive and controlling behaviour and very much illegal. I don’t want to scare you, but it’s also quite dangerous and you need professional help. Google your local domestic abuse service and call them, or women’s aid.

DisplayPurposesOnly · 01/09/2024 20:14

Your husband is a nasty cunt. I wish him a world of pain.

People can be very sanctimonious about affairs. You were in a hideous situation and if having an affair is what it took to give you the impetus to leave, then I think you are well justified.

Please take PP''s advice and limit how he contacts you. Use that to only discuss the children, factually and as necessary. Don't ever respond to his nastiness. And definitely don't move closer!

Wasywasydoodah · 01/09/2024 20:14

Also: no you don’t deserve it. Noone could.

Singleandproud · 01/09/2024 20:19

You shouldn't have cheated but I bet he was an arse before that and the marriage was over anyway. Abuse is never ok but there are things you can do to protect yourself and to take back some power.

You need independence

Stop paying for his car and get your own as he could report it stolen if he has rescinded permission for you to use it.

If he is paying for your phone then keep it specifically for talking to him and only at set times and get yourself a new one and only share the number to your family and friends he isn't involved with. Why on earth were you messaging back and forth until 2am, just block him or turn it on Do not disturb.

Nokia smart phones are great and cheap enough to buy outright and you can get an ID SIM card for £6

Why are you listening to him when he is talking horribly to you, just end the phone calls. If you called a call centre and abused the staff like that they would hang up so you do the same.

Your daughter will know the truth when she's older about which parent was always there for her etc.

AppleKatie · 01/09/2024 20:19

Ask yourself this: if he had an affair and you’d left him. Would you feel it was justified to text abuse to him til 2am the night before a close family members funeral? Or would that just never occur to you to do?

his behaviour is obviously disgusting and two wrongs do not make a right. I would take all the excellent advice that you will get on here about grey rocking him and I would also add in a healthy dose of making it clear to your children in simple, factual, age appropriate terms just who he is.

IOSTT · 01/09/2024 20:20

He is a vile sociopath who is already ruining your life; you should be trying to get as far away as possible from him. Do not even consider moving closer to him. Reach out and get as much support as you can so you can start rebuilding your life away from him. The sooner the better.

Canalboat · 01/09/2024 20:23

Oh god no of course it isn’t justified! My husband cheated on me and I’m saying this to you. I was civil to him even though I was raging at times.

username44416 · 01/09/2024 20:24

Is there a court order regarding child access and how old are the children?

I would contact your local domestic abuse organisation for help and support.

Collect all evidence: all text messages or phone messages of abuse.

I would download and only use a co parenting app as it records all communication.

I would block him on all the families phones including your own and social media.

If he makes any threats, immediately report him to the police. Make sure you log all crime reference numbers and keep a diary.

I would tell him to deal with his car as you are no longer paying towards it. Buy a second hand car and use that. If he doesn't deal with his car it will be towed.

Do not move anywhere near him, that's the worst thing you could do

Coconutter24 · 01/09/2024 20:28

No this abuse isn’t justified at all. Obviously you were in the wrong to cheat and acknowledge that but what he is doing is just cruel. If he mentions the car again just stop paying it he’ll soon regret being a know idiot about it when he either has to start paying for it himself or it gets repossessed, like he said it’s in his name so let him deal with it

thismummydrinksgin · 01/09/2024 20:34

I'd go to women's aid or somewhere and get professional support x

AMRP · 01/09/2024 20:36

No the abuse is not justified, nobody deserves this. Good advice from above poster regarding women’s aid x

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 01/09/2024 20:38

Please call Womens Aid or a local DA charity as soon as you can. Who knows if you would have had an affair if your husband was not such a nasty man - but whatever you did, this is in no way justified. If you are even questioning if this is ok or not, you need the Freedom Program desperately. Please minimize contact as much as you can -

Sunshineandtequila · 01/09/2024 20:41

Nothing justifies this op. You need to stay away from him.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 01/09/2024 20:48

No, his abuse is NEVER justifiable.
His changing from love you/miss you to hate you is common in abusers.
Do NOT move any closer to him. That won’t help you at all, it’s not your role in life to pacify him.
Record everything he says to you. If you’re on a mobile you can put it on speaker and set record on any tablet or laptop nearby.
You need advice on cutting him out of your life and your children’s lives, they are also being abused by him.
Speak to Women’s Aid asap.

TheGoodEnoughWife · 01/09/2024 20:51

You need to get angry OP. At the moment you are questioning whether you 'deserve' this from him. YOU DO NOT.

Take note of the advice above. Get a different phone. Tell him his attitude to you is unacceptable. Stop conversing unless you have to.

In a way he is treating you badly because you are letting him. And I don't mean that to put you down. Listen to what people are saying. He is not to treat you this way. Get angry. Answer back.

twilightermummy · 01/09/2024 20:55

I'm in a very similar situation. I left my ex 4 years ago and he carried on the way you describe your ex is.
Firstly, please block him asap. I never blocked my ex as I didn't like not knowing what he was up to. I also knew it would enrage him. However, the toll it's taken on my mental health, listening to the same shit day after day, is irreparable.

Secondly, I would stop the contact with the children outside of his access hours. He's doing them no good at all. They'll end up a bag of nerves with all kinds of issues. If you have a son, he may become like his abusive father, and a daughter will think this is normal.

Finally, he does sound dangerous. When you put the above things in place, he will be furious as he's losing control. He may even turn up at your house unexpectedly. He will threaten this, that and the other. When they lose control they're at their most dangerous. Based on just your texts, you can get a non-mol against him.

Please do not blame yourself. Abusive men try to justify their behaviour to anyone that will listen. He could get back with you and where would it end? Would he feel that you're evens after he's punched you? Perhaps not until you're in hospital? Or worse. He would grind you down to the point you wouldn't be able to move without his say so. He's controlling you now from 5 hours away! And absolutely don't move closer to him.

Don't be scared of going financially independence. Even if you lose things or have to begin again, I promise the peace that you will gain will be worth it in the long run.

outdamnedspots · 01/09/2024 21:02

LilBowWow · 01/09/2024 20:02

No, it’s not justified. Stop paying for his car. Set up a separate phone for his contact with the children. Do not engage with him about anything else.

This.

Come on, OP. You know it's not.

I'd go to the police too, with his messages, and get him charged with harassment.

he's a vile specimen.

DoYouReally · 01/09/2024 21:09

It's not OK.
It's not justified.
It is not your fault.

I think you should contact a DV support team or the police for help.

His behaviour is frightening and dangerous.

Lifesingflowers · 01/09/2024 21:12

Call national abuse helpline and see if they can give you some advice

YourWildAmberSloth · 01/09/2024 21:14

His behaviour is not justified and you do not have to put up with it. Contact Women's Aid for advice and support. I would also consider contacting the police. He is your ex. You do not have to engage with him about anything other than your children.

Delphiniumandlupins · 01/09/2024 21:15

Of course his abuse is not right or deserved. You need to stop, take a deep breathe and think how to distance yourself.

Stop paying for the car and get one in your own name.

Get another phone and only give the new number to close family and friends (not anyone who might pass it on). Use the old phone for all communication about or with your DC.

Do not respond to any messages unless they relate to your DC. Definitely do not respond to messages at inconvenient times. Switch the phone off whenever you want to.

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