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Is abuse ok because of what I done?

40 replies

HASMU · 01/09/2024 19:58

I’m putting myself out there and it’s not a nice topic. But I need some advice.

my marriage ended last year because I had an affair. We have two children and were married for 10 years at the time.
It will never ever be something that I will try and justify or talk my way out of but I need to be honest to get the answers and advice I’m looking for…..

my ex-husband was and is a very controlling man. I never knew anything whatsoever about our finances, from the amount my phone bill cost to how much our credit card bill was.
I moved around the country a lot of times at the decision of my ex-husband and proceeded to start my career over each time, in order for him to progress in his own.

There were multiple situations during our relationship that caused me trauma however if I could turn back time I would NEVER even contemplate doing what I done or leaving as the can of worms that’s now opened is worse than I ever could have imagined.

For the past 18 months, the abuse I have endured and still ongoing is enough to make me want to not be here anymore. In fact, he tells me all the time that I should do exactly that.

Stuff he says:
how worthless I am.
how he will continue to destroy me.
how nobody wants me alive.
how his sister is a better mum to our kids than I ever was (she lives in a diff country and I have our children 30 days a month, he currently sees them 1 day a month)
how my children will one day hate me so much and he’s going to make sure of it
how I’m a worse mum than my own mum was (my mum suffered at the hands of my alcoholic dad for years and worked multiple jobs to provide for us but we didn’t have an extravagant childhood)

he takes pictures of our children when they are on FaceTime to him if they are upset/missing him and then sends them to me to ‘remind’ me what an evil c**t I am for doing this to them.

he has told our daughter why our marriage broke down and proceeded to tell her so much stuff about how I am basically a bad person and mum (in his own clever way) and questioned her everytime he seen her about my whereabouts until she didn’t want to answer the phone to him anymore.
he only stopped when I told him she spoke to me in confidence about it.
he asked her multiple times on the phone to check if my car was in the garden and if I went out what type of make-up I was wearing.

my car is in his name and he continually messages me telling me I’m not permitted to drive it knowing that I have to use it to drive our children to school and clubs and get to work. I pay for the car every month but he tells me he’ll call the police if I attempt to get in it. He’s 5 hours away so he isn’t around doing any school runs etc so he knows this would leave me unable to do this.

he called social services and told them he was worried for my mental health looking after the kids after he told me he would make sure I was destroyed.

I had a lump in my breast that was getting checked for cancer and he told me it was my ‘karma’

my Nan died in January (I was extremely close to her) and the night before her funeral he was messaging me until 2am calling me every name under the sun, and again the morning of.

I could go on and on and on…..

I can’t believe I’m saying this but right now I’m considering relocating and moving closer to him to ease the abuse and attempt to calm him down.

along side all this he frequently tells me he still loves me and misses me. Then he switches back to abuse whenever I don’t respond correctly.

Do I deserve this? He tells me everytime that he’s only speaking the truth. Everything he’s saying is true so therefore it’s not abuse.

I know I hurt him. Badly. And I’ll forever regret not doing things differently.

I really don’t know how to get out of this cycle.

My question is, is his behaviour justified??

OP posts:
K37529 · 01/09/2024 21:16

Definitely do not move closer to him. Do you have evidence of this, saved messages etc? I would contact woman’s aid and get some advice, you can’t go on like this.

goingdownfighting · 01/09/2024 21:18

Abuse isn't justified full stop.

DanceMumTaxi · 01/09/2024 21:18

I think you really need to get some help. His behaviour is not ok. Keep all evidence and seek advice or contact the police. This could lead to a potentially very dangerous situation.

amispeakingintongues · 01/09/2024 21:22

Contact Women's Aid. Definitely report to police ASAP. He is abusive and coercive, do not move closer, distance yourself instead. Do not believe the evil things he is saying about you. None of it is true, despite what he says. He is dangerous, you need protection.

BatFacedGirlll · 01/09/2024 21:25

Report him to the police

Cut off his access to you. Seriously, you're giving him unfettered access to your life. Get a pay as you go phone. Give him the number. Turn phone on once a day for ten mins or however long. Then turn phone off

Do not engage

Do not engage. So vital I've said it twice

Get his access to the children court arranged and ordered if you can

But it is crucial that you just stop all this. He may be able to argue that he has rights to see his children but he does not have rights to you and your life

This will go on for as long as you let it.

Don't let it be years.

zeibesaffron · 01/09/2024 21:30

This is abuse.

Call the police and you tell them everything- give them all the evidence, his behaviour is damaging your children and therefore as the resident parent - I would talk to the police about the best way to safeguard your children from him. He is not a good father - he is a nasty horrible person.

Then

  • you sort this car get rid of it - it nay make life tough but its a tie to him - so remove it
  • your kids/ you get a specific phone just to call him on - he has access to no other forms of communication with you. You change your number.
  • You ignore his messages and speak to the gp about local support for you.

You need to take control and stop his behaviour- okay you hurt him however it sounds like he was a evil prick before the affair. You now need to protect you and the kids.

Ruffpuff · 01/09/2024 21:36

No, no, no. You do not deserve this.

My ex did the same to me after I left him. It was his goal to punish me for leaving and to try and drag me back to him.

Use your car- he cannot stop you. You are the one paying for it and he gave you permission to use it before- the police can’t do anything about it (I work for the police).

Please, I implore you to report this harassment to the police as a safety net. Make sure you explain the history of coercive control. Honestly, the records will protect you if he tries to pull anything funny with social services/reporting again. You know it’s a possibility he will. This needs to be on official records should it escalate.

DO NOT MOVE CLOSER TO HIM- it will increase his control not distance it and you’re at risk of getting stalked.

Finally, you could be anyone in the world and he would be telling you that you’re a rubbish mum, you’re this, you’re that. You are his victim. None of this is down to your own personal failures. He is a nasty, selfish, narcissistic abuser who doesn’t care for you or anyone else- but remember that is not your fault. None of this is. You got unlucky by meeting this man. Everything he horrible he says to you is a product of his own tortuously distorted and horrid mind- it has nothing to do with who you are.

Flyhigher · 01/09/2024 21:45

No it's not justified.

MtClair · 01/09/2024 21:48

Without reading your post and just from the title, my first answer was abuse is never justified.

Having read your post, he is just using your affair as an excuse to control agd abuse you even more. Probably even more so because youve left his grip (regardless if the circumstances).

He is an awful man and clearly will go to great length to destroy you.
Which also means you need to give him as little as possible.

So please give him his car back and buy one for yourself. You’re already paying for one anyway - one that isn’t yours!!
Do NOT move closer to him. This will ramp up the abuse and more importantly, it will allow him to use the dcs against you. This would be awful for them as he will manipulate them again and again.
Dont tell him anything at all. Not your health worries, not what happens to your family members. You need to treat him as an enemy. Because he is trying to destroy you and told you so!
You might want to have all his emails forwarded to a different email address. Read them when you feel like it. Keep to things in writing rather than phone or texts. This way you’ll have the time to think about your answers, time to recover and you’ll have the freedom to decide when you are going to read his ‘prose’.
Something that has helped me (but my situation wasn’t as dire as yours) is to look fur signs. Signs he is abusive. How he is twisting the truth, systems he is using to get to me etc… making it a case study rather than my life. Maybe that will help,p you too?

rainbowsparkle28 · 01/09/2024 21:59

Do not move closer it will not change things. Do not be sucked into his controlling and abusive behaviour. You have acknowledged you have made mistakes but this in no way justifies the behaviour he is displaying, he is responsible for his actions and how he is managing things now, not anyone else. Honestly, I would be speaking with the police and Women's Aid or similar to address his frankly harassing and abusive behaviour and to support you to build your knowledge and skills and confidence and to provide advice and support on to how to extricate yourself as much as possible to the bare minimum needed bearing in mind you have children together. I would also be seeking legal advice regarding your children and contact etc. as again his behaviour with them I would be concerned about and in turn is emotionally abusive at a minimum to them and they should not be being exposed to this and is not okay. The more you know, particularly with regard to your rights, the more empowered you can be to keep yourself and above all your children safe. Do not let this vile human being take up any more of your future.

Flipsock · 01/09/2024 22:13

I don’t think anyone here will ever condemn you for doing what you did in light of the abuse you have been receiving from this man. You need to collate evidence and inform the police.

HASMU · 01/09/2024 22:16

Wow. I am honestly so grateful to each of you who have taken the time to respond to me and offer advice and share some of your experiences.

If I’m honest my original post doesn’t touch the sides and although I am certainly not innocent when it comes to behaviours I have been through 18 months of absolute hell. I can’t count the times I’ve silently sobbed on the bathroom floor into a towel to then pop out 10 mins later and get the kids tea ready like nothing was happening.

I am so so sad about it all.

I am in the process of trying to sort the car situation. He knows I am not in a position right now financially to just go and get another. He does provide what he’s supposed to for the children, that’s the one thing he has always done.

I can’t believe this is my life.
but those of you that said I need to take some control are right, that was the point of asking for the advice this evening. So thank you again.
So much x

OP posts:
Noseybookworm · 01/09/2024 22:36

HASMU · 01/09/2024 22:16

Wow. I am honestly so grateful to each of you who have taken the time to respond to me and offer advice and share some of your experiences.

If I’m honest my original post doesn’t touch the sides and although I am certainly not innocent when it comes to behaviours I have been through 18 months of absolute hell. I can’t count the times I’ve silently sobbed on the bathroom floor into a towel to then pop out 10 mins later and get the kids tea ready like nothing was happening.

I am so so sad about it all.

I am in the process of trying to sort the car situation. He knows I am not in a position right now financially to just go and get another. He does provide what he’s supposed to for the children, that’s the one thing he has always done.

I can’t believe this is my life.
but those of you that said I need to take some control are right, that was the point of asking for the advice this evening. So thank you again.
So much x

You have endured more than most people could and you're still standing and caring for your children, you're an amazing and strong woman. Please do contact Women's Aid and the police for advice. What he's doing is not ok and you don't have to put up with it. I would block him on your phone and tell him to contact you via email only. Please get some help, you deserve some peace 💐

Dhama · 02/09/2024 09:54

So my ex had an affair and completely devastated me.

I’m only sharing that for context in so much as I am not usually predisposed to a huge amount of sympathy for people who do have affairs due to the devastation it can caused.

In no way do you deserve any of this at all, like at all. It’s horrific and he is abusive as hell. Call the police, get official support, they will likely make a referral to Family Help/Social Services, they will put you in touch with local domestic abuse services. He is also causing your children emotional harm by involving them in his abuse of you.

For the love of all that is holy do not move closer, physical distance is currently in your favour, plus you mention having friends, don’t move from support. Out of interest why does he live so far away?

I would also block him on everything, you can get court approved contact apps - all communication can go through here about your children, if it ever goes to court the evidence of his abuse will be there for all to see as you can’t delete messages.
you also need to change your number, email etc. Have an email address just for him about children specific issues.

Dhama · 02/09/2024 09:55

To reiterate you don’t deserve any of this x

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