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Shouldn’t have looked! It’s a phone one

40 replies

IfYouLook · 30/08/2024 09:01

I know I’m going to get flamed here. But thoughts on this (bearing in mind my culpability in breaching his privacy!) …

So. I’ve been with bf/partner ( but we don’t live together) for 3 years. We are both very late 40s. We don’t live together b/c I have 2 kids teens / YAs but plan to when youngest moves to uni. But we spend about 60/70% of our time together.

I met him OLD after the end of my 21yr marriage (uni bf). No cheating but sexless relationship and he’d become someone I couldn’t bear to see out my days with.

BF - never been married. 1 long term (7 yrs) relationship that he told me about from the off. It had been over for quite a number of years before we met and he his description of it was that it was very chaotic - lots of break ups and reconciliation. They had lived together in his flat, then she moved out and he helped her do up her new house tho they weren’t together and he described a period when they essentially just met up and has sex really.

I was never really clear a) who was the one ending it these various times - at the time I thought him he was fed up with her chaos - but I’m not sure now b) the exact timeline of all of this. When they were last together.

Anyway, about 3 days ago I went on his phone. Never done it before. But I’d been feeling anxious about us recently. He can go through phases of just being quite cold and unaffectionate. I guess a little bit moody. We had talked about it and I explained how that makes me feel. He’d promised to do better etc. But I was still on edge about it.

Anyway, I went v quickly on his WA and of course found messages between them. There was some kind of slightly sexual exchange I’d say in 2022. We started seeing each other late 2021 and were “exclusive” about a month in. I was so shocked I can’t recall it all but I think she initiated contact after he had a bereavement. He was drunk and said so in his message. There was something about her sending him a pic of what she was wearing (I didn’t see any pics). There was shared ref to some stuff that he likes that I know about usual male stuff of dressing up. Then some suggestion by her of going for lunch. But I don’t think they did.

not huge number of messages. Then a few more. The last brief exchange seemed to be last year and she sent 3 quite anodyne messages and he didn’t respond at all to them. And that seems to have been the end of it. I am imagining that his moral code kicked in at that point and he realised that he was cheating on me.

Of course I feel utterly devastated. The sexual messages WERE cheating at that time. However I do think people do have interior secret lives and really this is on me for snooping. You never hear anything good at a closed door eh. From the brief view of the messages there was no mention he was in a relationship.

Not sure what I am asking tho. If it was ongoing contact of that nature it would be all over. But the fact that it was around the time of intense grief for him, and that he’s actively shut it down since means I am more forgiving

Unfortunately tho it’s really unlocked some insecurity for me around my body. I’m about 1/2 stone heavier than when we first met and have a mum tum of someone who’s had 3 kids. He is very slim and I know really values slim bodies. Of course she is very slim one of those totally flat stomachs. I need to stop looking at photos of her and torturing myself.

I can’t tell him what I saw. He’d rightfully never forgive me. He did tell me a while back when unasked when they’d last had contact that she’d messaged him after this bereavement.

What to do?

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Josette77 · 30/08/2024 09:08

I would do nothing.

If you want to end the relationship say something.

If you do he'll feel rightfully very violated.

FeistyFrankie · 30/08/2024 09:08

Just try and forget about it. It doesn’t sound that bad..? I’d honestly try to put it out of your mind. If he was drunk at the time and grieving try to cut him some slack. He didn’t engage with her after that, which is a good sign.

If you’re feeling insecure about how you look maybe focus on boosting your self esteem. Don’t compare yourself to her, that will just make you feel worse. But maybe have a think about ways to improve yourself if you feel that’s what you need (for yourself). Lastly.. they broke up. He chose you. Don’t fixate. She’s an ex for a reason, after all.

IfYouLook · 30/08/2024 09:10

I need to not look again. Don’t I 😨

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GreyCarpet · 30/08/2024 09:15

This is one of those situations I'd find really hard to know what to do in and I don't think anyone telling you what they would do is particularly helpful.

As you say, if it were ongoing, you'd end it. If you'd discovered it at the time, you'd end it.

But now it's 2 years on and doesn't appeared to have happened again but he still did it.

Only you knpw how upset he was at the bereavement, how close he was to the person who died and what sort of partner he has been to you since.

You say he can be cold and unaffectionate at times and you feel insecure about that which is exactly why you looked in the first place. I think that would be more of an issue to me tbh. But coupled with actually finding something, regardless of how long ago it was...

Some people will take the attitude that it was at the start of the relationship so less important. Others will say that it was at the start when he should only have had eyes for you.

What is your gut feeling on this?

RareCheese · 30/08/2024 09:16

That sounds completely innocuous to me.

StMarieforme · 30/08/2024 09:16

What you've seen (albeit in a sneaky way) is a validation that he's not going to cheat.
So do nothing and be happy.

BodenCardiganNot · 30/08/2024 09:17

If you tell him what you have done he will be gone. And I wouldn't blame him.

IfYouLook · 30/08/2024 09:29

BodenCardiganNot · 30/08/2024 09:17

If you tell him what you have done he will be gone. And I wouldn't blame him.

Agreed. He’d be horrified. I’m very ashamed.

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IfYouLook · 30/08/2024 09:35

GreyCarpet · 30/08/2024 09:15

This is one of those situations I'd find really hard to know what to do in and I don't think anyone telling you what they would do is particularly helpful.

As you say, if it were ongoing, you'd end it. If you'd discovered it at the time, you'd end it.

But now it's 2 years on and doesn't appeared to have happened again but he still did it.

Only you knpw how upset he was at the bereavement, how close he was to the person who died and what sort of partner he has been to you since.

You say he can be cold and unaffectionate at times and you feel insecure about that which is exactly why you looked in the first place. I think that would be more of an issue to me tbh. But coupled with actually finding something, regardless of how long ago it was...

Some people will take the attitude that it was at the start of the relationship so less important. Others will say that it was at the start when he should only have had eyes for you.

What is your gut feeling on this?

That’s a good summary. It was a significant bereavement and overall he’s been a very good partner. In many ways he has to make a lot more adjustments etc due to my commitments and the complexity of my life.

In terms of the timing I do know that various of his friends warned him of the risk that I would return to my ex and that may have been on his mind. Not an excuse. Mind you he could happily read through all our messages and see not one thing of concern.

I guess my gut is that this is more my issue. Relationships and shared history is complex. As are the things people do when they are in pain.

If the last messages had been from him to her and she’d left him on read, I’d be much more concerned. And if contact had been recent.

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Worldofflowers · 30/08/2024 09:39

There are 2 things that strike me OP:

Firstly that he's never been married and there has been only one long term relationship that you know about. And that was an on/ off relationship.

Secondly he has periods of being cold and unaffectionate.

It sounds to me as though he has some sort of problem with whole heartedly committing himself to a relationship and emotionally withdraws from it from time to time. Perhaps this is the reason his relationship with this woman finally floundered? Perhaps she eventually couldn't cope with the emotional withdrawal?

I agree with pp that this is more if a potential threat to your relationship than the messages you uncovered

Imanontoday · 30/08/2024 09:44

I think you need to address your issues, jealous, insecure, anxiety, neediness. And not make them his issue. I feel sad for you that you’re suffering like this, and maybe you should seek help. I do wonder if this is your first rodeo or you’ve previous for behaving like this with men.

IfYouLook · 30/08/2024 09:46

@Worldofflowers - that’s really insightful actually. Yes in so many ways I would love to speak to this woman and see if that was her experience 😂. Obvs won’t.

I was reading a book recently that described someone as having a subconscious “death wish” and that made me think that he had a subconscious “alone wish”. That something about him struggles to really integrate his life with someone else …

He has other relationships but none that involved living together.

He doesn’t speak badly of her ever. Nor does he have mentionitis.

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IfYouLook · 30/08/2024 09:49

@Imanontoday - I haven’t been jealous or needy in the past. But then it’s a long time since I was in a new relationship. I think with my exH I felt very secure but it was v unpassionate.

My boyfriend before that though I felt a bit like this. I guess anxious attachment style which does come out when he becomes slightly avoidant.

In general though current bf is very attentive, we speak daily, see each other a lot though it’s reduced slightly over the summer due to some logistical complexities of mine

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GreyCarpet · 30/08/2024 10:06

I guess my gut is that this is more my issue. Relationships and shared history is complex. As are the things people do when they are in pain.

In that case, I'd listen to my gut.

Talk to him (not about the phone thing) but about the relationship in general. Tell him what you've noticed, how you've interpreted it and how it makes you feel.

I understand the 'alone wish' - I have it too (although I'm very happy in my relationship) and it does make me withdraw slightly at times of stress. But I've explained that so my partner understands it. Those complexities need to be shared and discussed.

For me, relationships are about the communication that exists in the space between you both - literally how you relate to each other. Feelings are separate to that. If you can't have the communication, then the relationship suffers regardless of how anyone feels.

IfYouLook · 30/08/2024 11:16

Thanks @GreyCarpet . We do need to talk some more.

I was just on the phone to him. He is often more “affectionate” on the phone. Strangely for a bloke he loves talking on the phone. I had to really adapt to that to begin with as I am a texter.

But sometimes I feel that he likes the “idea of us” more than the actual reality because reality of course can be messy & annoying and so on.

Which kind of fits with @Worldofflowers ’s theory about him struggling with emotional attachment in reality. I know in theory he doesn’t want to live alone and so on.

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Kbroughton · 30/08/2024 11:18

You shouldn't have looked and I wouldn't focus on what you found. He will very easily talk you round. Focus instead on the reason why you looked. 'cold and unaffectionate at times'. You know something is not right in the relationship. You are at a cross roads and I suggest you be brave and address this. You have discussed it with him and he said he will do better, but presumably with no actual plan on what that looks like. Have a think about what that looks like to you and suggest things. Ask him for suggestions. And work on yourself. You need to be happy in yourself as a person to properly be able to stand by boundaries and what you deserve. You have to KNOW you will be very happy on your own, and any relationship will enhance that happiness not make it. Get some counselling on your own, and get some couple counselling. If you tell him and focus on the messages it will become all about that. But you do need to take action. A book that I read that really helped me was 'women dont owe you pretty' by Florence Given. There is a section in it on boundaries and what they mean. My strong advice, from experience! is that if you work on boundaries and what they mean to you, you never have to feel like you want to investigate, because you will be able to express them and know when they are being crossed, and ultimately be able to walk away if needed. Good luck.

Daisys24 · 30/08/2024 11:57

The fact he’s not deleted the messages after all this time tells me he’s keeping the door open

IfYouLook · 30/08/2024 12:38

Thanks @Kbroughton I’ll check out that book. I did have quite a long period of therapy before and immediately after my marriage ended. I could do with going back to it definitely.

@Daisys24 I’m not sure I place much significance on the fact the messages were still there myself.

I did in a dark late night moment consider going back into his phone and blocking her so she can’t contact him again. But that’s a bit nuts eh 😂😂

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AutumnalAmersham · 30/08/2024 13:18

I think you just need to forget about what you saw @IfYouLook

No, he should not have been talking to her in that way when you and he had decided to be in an exclusive relationship. However, the circumstances were a bit out of the ordinary, it sounds like she's the one always initiating, and when people move from one relationship to another there is always the risk that the transition period isn't one hundred percent clean cut.

Luddite26 · 01/09/2024 06:38

I looked on my dh phone and he had been looking at photos of carol Kirkwood I have never looked since you just don't need this stuff in your head.

init4thecats · 01/09/2024 07:27

Sad to say, I think you've opened up the door for even more insecurities. You feel guilty now, but I'd bet the house that the next time he goes a bit quiet, you'll be straight back on his phone. It's a slippery slope.

DoggingDave · 01/09/2024 08:23

Luddite26 · 01/09/2024 06:38

I looked on my dh phone and he had been looking at photos of carol Kirkwood I have never looked since you just don't need this stuff in your head.

Could be a lot worse that's quite a classy tug in fairness. 🎩👌

Gillypie23 · 01/09/2024 08:28

He's done nothing wrong. Work on your self esteem and stop making it his problem.

DoggingDave · 01/09/2024 08:32

Op it'll all be good just try chill 😎

InsensibleMe · 01/09/2024 08:41

Leave him. You deserve so much better than this.