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Fallen out with my Dad - WWYD?

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roses321 · 20/08/2024 15:51

So long story short, I see my parents every weekend, I go there and help with the garden and have my own garden plot there because they live on a farm and there's a lot of space.

Their neighbours cat basically lives in the outbuilding and never goes back to his owners. My parents feed him. My dad has never liked animals and sometimes he's nice to the cat, sometimes he isn't.

When I was there a couple of weeks ago the cat came wandering into the house because it was a hot day and the door was open. He comes looking for me because whenever i'm there, I give him fuss and he follows me around while I'm doing things in the garden.

My dad was obviously in a bad mood and starts shouting at the cat to get out. I spoke up and told my dad to stop being so unkind to the cat because one minute he's getting fed, next he's getting shouted at and I don't agree with it. My dad argued back and I basically ended up telling him "f off, it's unacceptable that you are so unreasonable, the cat isn't doing any harm and you are constantly bullying him".

My dads argument is that it's not "their" cat. My argument is that the cat lives there and they feed it and that kindness costs nothing.

Anyway, I go outside and carry on with gardening and a couple of hours later I go to say goodbye. I went to hug my dad goodbye and he literally ignored me, he pretended to be asleep lying on the sofa and basically didn't acknowledge me while I was hugging him goodbye. When I realised what was going on I just told him "fine, you can carry on sulking" and I left.

I haven't been back since. It has upset me a lot. My mum is also very upset about it and has told my dad his behaviour was childish, but he maintains he won't be "sworn at in his own house".

I understand his point, but I refuse to back down as well because a) he's been a bully his entire life and b) I am not going to stand by and watch him do it to a small animal that is doing no harm to anyone.

This entire thing has brought back a lot of shit for me because my dad was massively abusive while I was growing up. He gave me a black eye when I was in school once, and he's done the same to my mum. I've had broken glass in my bed and although I see that swearing at him is wrong in "his own house" I also feel massive resent because what about all the shit he put me and my sister through when we were kids and had to live "under his roof".

It's been a year since I came out of an abusive relationship with my ex partner, and I feel as though I am simply not going to tolerate any of it anymore from men. My mindset is so firm that I feel like his rejection of me hugging him goodbye is grounds to basically never speak to him again. That rejection for me feels like it represents an entire life where I tried to be good enough for him after he used to call me stupid and useless on the way to school just because he was frustrated. He would even tell my mother that I was "not his daughter" within my earshot when I was about 9 years old.

I will never get an apology from him. If I go back there and try to make the peace he will not be humble about it, he will push the point home because he always has to be right, and I know that within 5 minutes of arriving i'll be getting back in the car and leaving again. I'd be happy to make peace if he was willing to not try to get the upper hand, but I just know what he's like, it's happened too many times before.

I don't know what to do because he won't contact me, he won't apologise, and I'll end up just never going back there, not even for Christmas.

Any suggestions? My mum has tried speaking to him and he's resolute that he won't be sworn at in his house and that he's not saying sorry. I feel like I've been saying sorry my entire life and at nearly 40 years old I am done apologising to bullying men who think that everyone has to cowtow to them just because they have always had their own way.

OP posts:
EatCrow · 20/08/2024 15:56

As you say, it wasn’t just the withholding of the hug today, it represented the culmination of years of his abusive behaviour. Well done you for standing up to him, for yourself and the cat.

Can you still go to tend your garden there? And can you still see your mum separately?

BeMintBee · 20/08/2024 15:58

I guess it depends on what outcome you are looking for. My dad was abusive growing up but it wasn’t really until I was nearly 40 something snapped and I just wouldn’t tolerate his behaviour anymore. He would never ever apologise for anything. I just went completely no contact after one event and haven’t seen him since. He’s never tried to contact me either. It’s definitely better this way but ultimately it also cast me out from my whole family. I barely hear from my mum or brother anymore.

Bestyearever2024 · 20/08/2024 16:05

What is it you want from this?

Because Dad won't apologise and if YOU don't, then your Mum loses out through no fault of her own

If it were me, I'd go back home and say 'I shouldn't have sworn at you Dad and I'm sorry for doing that, but I wish you'd be kinder to the cat'

Your Dad isn't a nice man but there's your Mum to consider

Would she leave him and come and live with you?

WhichEllie · 20/08/2024 16:07

I’m sorry, he put broken glass in your bed when you were a child? What the fuck??

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/08/2024 16:10

I would continue to tend to your garden if possible.

Your parents taught you an awful lot of damaging lessons about relationships when you were growing up and its no coincidence that you ended up with an abuser yourself. It is to your credit that you've left your abuser. (What may also help you going forward is the Freedom Programme as this is for those who have been in abusive relationships. This can be done online or in person).

Your mother however, has abjectly failed to protect you and your sister (does she have any sort of relationship with her parents now?) from the excesses of her H's behaviour and continues to do so. She is getting what she wants out of their relationship with him and she may well never leave him either.

roses321 · 20/08/2024 16:14

EatCrow · 20/08/2024 15:56

As you say, it wasn’t just the withholding of the hug today, it represented the culmination of years of his abusive behaviour. Well done you for standing up to him, for yourself and the cat.

Can you still go to tend your garden there? And can you still see your mum separately?

Edited

Unfortunately not. I can meet my mum seperately which I'll do and I'll take her for coffee, but I can't go back to the house no.

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roses321 · 20/08/2024 16:14

BeMintBee · 20/08/2024 15:58

I guess it depends on what outcome you are looking for. My dad was abusive growing up but it wasn’t really until I was nearly 40 something snapped and I just wouldn’t tolerate his behaviour anymore. He would never ever apologise for anything. I just went completely no contact after one event and haven’t seen him since. He’s never tried to contact me either. It’s definitely better this way but ultimately it also cast me out from my whole family. I barely hear from my mum or brother anymore.

I'm sorry to say that this is reassuring for me because it's someone else in the same boat. I'm sorry you had to go through this, I know how you feel. I am 40 soon and yeah I have just had enough now.

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roses321 · 20/08/2024 16:16

Bestyearever2024 · 20/08/2024 16:05

What is it you want from this?

Because Dad won't apologise and if YOU don't, then your Mum loses out through no fault of her own

If it were me, I'd go back home and say 'I shouldn't have sworn at you Dad and I'm sorry for doing that, but I wish you'd be kinder to the cat'

Your Dad isn't a nice man but there's your Mum to consider

Would she leave him and come and live with you?

Just opinions really.
No, I am not going to go back there. If I thought my dad could take that kind of apology in good grace I would be all for it, but he won't do that.

His response will be something along the lines of hammering the point home and I will just get straight back in the car and leave if that happens, and there is a 95% chance that is exactly what will happen.

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roses321 · 20/08/2024 16:17

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/08/2024 16:10

I would continue to tend to your garden if possible.

Your parents taught you an awful lot of damaging lessons about relationships when you were growing up and its no coincidence that you ended up with an abuser yourself. It is to your credit that you've left your abuser. (What may also help you going forward is the Freedom Programme as this is for those who have been in abusive relationships. This can be done online or in person).

Your mother however, has abjectly failed to protect you and your sister (does she have any sort of relationship with her parents now?) from the excesses of her H's behaviour and continues to do so. She is getting what she wants out of their relationship with him and she may well never leave him either.

No she won't, not now. She makes excuses "oh men are just like that". I love my mum but I can't change either of them. My sister feels the same as I do but maintains the peace, and so have I - but I couldn't when he started on the cat. I just don't see why I should anymore.

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EatCrow · 20/08/2024 16:17

roses321 · 20/08/2024 16:14

Unfortunately not. I can meet my mum seperately which I'll do and I'll take her for coffee, but I can't go back to the house no.

How would you feel about doing what Bestyearever2024 said? Just apologise for the swearing? I’m thinking about what you’ll lose - the garden, seeing your mum there and, of course, protecting the cat whilst you’re there.

Doesn’t mean you have to like him or accept the way he is.

roses321 · 20/08/2024 16:18

WhichEllie · 20/08/2024 16:07

I’m sorry, he put broken glass in your bed when you were a child? What the fuck??

Yes, he smashed a full length mirror because of something I did when I was a child, I can't remember what. There was a bucket of glass in my room for months afterwards and a huge chunk taken out of the mirror that was left in my room and could easily have seriously injured me.

When I look back on it now I realise how fucked up he was. My dad was an alcoholic and this is what happened when he was in a drunken rage.

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EatCrow · 20/08/2024 16:18

Sorry OP, I crossed posted.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/08/2024 16:22

He is still an alcoholic and he has not fundamentally changed since your own childhood.

Sadly for your sister and you your mother continues to choose him over and above everyone. She is in an unhealthy codependent relationship with him and that is unlikely to change. Ultimately you need to stay away from them both.

BeMintBee · 20/08/2024 16:22

roses321 · 20/08/2024 16:14

I'm sorry to say that this is reassuring for me because it's someone else in the same boat. I'm sorry you had to go through this, I know how you feel. I am 40 soon and yeah I have just had enough now.

Overall I know it was the right decision. I couldn’t bare feeling like the scared kid I was walking on egg shells around him anymore. I felt guilt initially but always remember that I had set a pretty low bar in terms of expectations of basic decent behaviour from him and it was his choice to not even manage that. As for my mum well she made her choices too

LilyJessie · 20/08/2024 16:23

I'm so sorry you went through all this.
Good for you for standing up to him.
You're totally right.
You're a strong and amazing woman. And I bet your mum is so proud of you for it, even if she hasn't said it.

heldinadream · 20/08/2024 16:28

Yes, I didn't get past the broken glass in the bed.
If you'd been injured he could have been prosecuted for child abuse.
He's horrific, OP. That is a act of unbelievable and unforgivable cruelty towards a child.
I don't know what your way forward from this is.
Therapy?

roses321 · 20/08/2024 17:05

heldinadream · 20/08/2024 16:28

Yes, I didn't get past the broken glass in the bed.
If you'd been injured he could have been prosecuted for child abuse.
He's horrific, OP. That is a act of unbelievable and unforgivable cruelty towards a child.
I don't know what your way forward from this is.
Therapy?

Honestly he should have been. He gave me a black eye and he did the same to my mother. I was in school at the time this happened.

I've had a lot of therapy but honestly this fallout that's happened has kind of shown me that I'm not as over it as I thought I was. I don't know if you ever "get over it" though do you. You just kind of accept it.

Both me and my sister have been in abusive relationships, we're both majorly fucked up as a result of it all when it comes to our relationships with men. I see my mother tolerating it still, and her mother committed suicide as a result of it.

I am proud I left my own abusive relationship, and I think that if I hadn't done that I probably wouldn't be treating this as a hill to die on, but as far as i'm concerned I will absolutely never speak to my father again if he doesn't apologise for his behaviour because something in me has just snapped now.

I guess that I just posted here because i wanted to know whether I was being unreasonable... the constant question you ask yourself when you're exposed to these kinds of men because your'e so often told you're unreasonable.

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EatCrow · 20/08/2024 17:08

roses321 · 20/08/2024 17:05

Honestly he should have been. He gave me a black eye and he did the same to my mother. I was in school at the time this happened.

I've had a lot of therapy but honestly this fallout that's happened has kind of shown me that I'm not as over it as I thought I was. I don't know if you ever "get over it" though do you. You just kind of accept it.

Both me and my sister have been in abusive relationships, we're both majorly fucked up as a result of it all when it comes to our relationships with men. I see my mother tolerating it still, and her mother committed suicide as a result of it.

I am proud I left my own abusive relationship, and I think that if I hadn't done that I probably wouldn't be treating this as a hill to die on, but as far as i'm concerned I will absolutely never speak to my father again if he doesn't apologise for his behaviour because something in me has just snapped now.

I guess that I just posted here because i wanted to know whether I was being unreasonable... the constant question you ask yourself when you're exposed to these kinds of men because your'e so often told you're unreasonable.

Yes, it does screw your life up, it did mine. Still is doing.

You absolutely are not being unreasonable and if this is the hill you die on, then so be it. Kudos for your strength.

roses321 · 20/08/2024 17:09

EatCrow · 20/08/2024 17:08

Yes, it does screw your life up, it did mine. Still is doing.

You absolutely are not being unreasonable and if this is the hill you die on, then so be it. Kudos for your strength.

Thanks, I wish it felt good, but it doesn't. It feels awful.

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EatCrow · 20/08/2024 17:10

roses321 · 20/08/2024 17:09

Thanks, I wish it felt good, but it doesn't. It feels awful.

Big hug roses. I’m sorry.

Mischance · 20/08/2024 17:12

I would not be happy if my AC swore at me in my own house. And I would not like them telling me what I can and cannot do in my own house/garden. Its up to your Mum and him to decide between them what their attitude to the cat should be.

roses321 · 20/08/2024 17:14

Mischance · 20/08/2024 17:12

I would not be happy if my AC swore at me in my own house. And I would not like them telling me what I can and cannot do in my own house/garden. Its up to your Mum and him to decide between them what their attitude to the cat should be.

Yup that's fair, but not in front of me it isn't.

That's like saying if you see someone getting beaten up in the street then it's not your business. What a sad world if everyone took that attitude.

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MoveToParis · 20/08/2024 17:22

roses321 · 20/08/2024 17:05

Honestly he should have been. He gave me a black eye and he did the same to my mother. I was in school at the time this happened.

I've had a lot of therapy but honestly this fallout that's happened has kind of shown me that I'm not as over it as I thought I was. I don't know if you ever "get over it" though do you. You just kind of accept it.

Both me and my sister have been in abusive relationships, we're both majorly fucked up as a result of it all when it comes to our relationships with men. I see my mother tolerating it still, and her mother committed suicide as a result of it.

I am proud I left my own abusive relationship, and I think that if I hadn't done that I probably wouldn't be treating this as a hill to die on, but as far as i'm concerned I will absolutely never speak to my father again if he doesn't apologise for his behaviour because something in me has just snapped now.

I guess that I just posted here because i wanted to know whether I was being unreasonable... the constant question you ask yourself when you're exposed to these kinds of men because your'e so often told you're unreasonable.

You not unreasonable, and your father isn’t really someone worth having in your life.

Your poor mother having wasted her whole life on such a loser.

I also married the difficult one in my parents marriage, which enraged me because it felt like fighting the same enemy of two fronts. Once I separated from him, there was no possibility of dealing with any of that shit at home.
The bottom line is that life will be easier now. If someone wants to explain to him that violent, vicious and foul tempered people are not welcome around you, the that’s their choice. You won’t be his or anyone’s Punchbag, and if being around him involves agreeing to be a punch bag, then No Thanks. If not being violent is too much for him, then that’s not your problem.

Mmhmmn · 20/08/2024 17:23

I'm so sorry your dad was so awful. You were not in the wrong then or now. He's lucky, firstly, that he's never been referred to the police over it, secondly, that he gets to enjoy your company at all considering what he did to you, and thirdly, that you're not constantly reminding him of his violent and disturbed treatment of you (though obviously I understand why you wouldn't!)

You must have all been petrified of him and traumatised. Do you, your sister and your mum feel affection for him? (genuine question, not judging)

You could write him a letter about how you feel given the past and present (and either give it or not give it to him according to how you feel). It is his fault that you ended up in a similarly unsafe relationship. He should know that not only did he terrorise you in your childhood but also set you up for more of the same in adulthood and that this stuff LASTS.

Well done on leaving your abusive relationship OP.

Augustisnearlydonesogoodbyesun · 20/08/2024 17:29

That dcat has given you the route to a new life. A life free from abuse...
Fuck me my df wasn't half and quarter that bad and I dumped him 25 years ago!
Have your own Christmas. . Invite your dm if you want. She has enabled your abuse though....