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Fallen out with my Dad - WWYD?

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roses321 · 20/08/2024 15:51

So long story short, I see my parents every weekend, I go there and help with the garden and have my own garden plot there because they live on a farm and there's a lot of space.

Their neighbours cat basically lives in the outbuilding and never goes back to his owners. My parents feed him. My dad has never liked animals and sometimes he's nice to the cat, sometimes he isn't.

When I was there a couple of weeks ago the cat came wandering into the house because it was a hot day and the door was open. He comes looking for me because whenever i'm there, I give him fuss and he follows me around while I'm doing things in the garden.

My dad was obviously in a bad mood and starts shouting at the cat to get out. I spoke up and told my dad to stop being so unkind to the cat because one minute he's getting fed, next he's getting shouted at and I don't agree with it. My dad argued back and I basically ended up telling him "f off, it's unacceptable that you are so unreasonable, the cat isn't doing any harm and you are constantly bullying him".

My dads argument is that it's not "their" cat. My argument is that the cat lives there and they feed it and that kindness costs nothing.

Anyway, I go outside and carry on with gardening and a couple of hours later I go to say goodbye. I went to hug my dad goodbye and he literally ignored me, he pretended to be asleep lying on the sofa and basically didn't acknowledge me while I was hugging him goodbye. When I realised what was going on I just told him "fine, you can carry on sulking" and I left.

I haven't been back since. It has upset me a lot. My mum is also very upset about it and has told my dad his behaviour was childish, but he maintains he won't be "sworn at in his own house".

I understand his point, but I refuse to back down as well because a) he's been a bully his entire life and b) I am not going to stand by and watch him do it to a small animal that is doing no harm to anyone.

This entire thing has brought back a lot of shit for me because my dad was massively abusive while I was growing up. He gave me a black eye when I was in school once, and he's done the same to my mum. I've had broken glass in my bed and although I see that swearing at him is wrong in "his own house" I also feel massive resent because what about all the shit he put me and my sister through when we were kids and had to live "under his roof".

It's been a year since I came out of an abusive relationship with my ex partner, and I feel as though I am simply not going to tolerate any of it anymore from men. My mindset is so firm that I feel like his rejection of me hugging him goodbye is grounds to basically never speak to him again. That rejection for me feels like it represents an entire life where I tried to be good enough for him after he used to call me stupid and useless on the way to school just because he was frustrated. He would even tell my mother that I was "not his daughter" within my earshot when I was about 9 years old.

I will never get an apology from him. If I go back there and try to make the peace he will not be humble about it, he will push the point home because he always has to be right, and I know that within 5 minutes of arriving i'll be getting back in the car and leaving again. I'd be happy to make peace if he was willing to not try to get the upper hand, but I just know what he's like, it's happened too many times before.

I don't know what to do because he won't contact me, he won't apologise, and I'll end up just never going back there, not even for Christmas.

Any suggestions? My mum has tried speaking to him and he's resolute that he won't be sworn at in his house and that he's not saying sorry. I feel like I've been saying sorry my entire life and at nearly 40 years old I am done apologising to bullying men who think that everyone has to cowtow to them just because they have always had their own way.

OP posts:
BlastedPimples · 20/08/2024 17:34

Sorry but fucking hell.

He gave you a black eye and put glass in your bed?

What an absolute shit arsehole of a man.

I hope you never speak to to him again.

He's disgusting.

BlastedPimples · 20/08/2024 17:36

And I cannot believe the posters saying you should apologise to this horrendously abusive man.

SkytreeMadeOfClay · 20/08/2024 17:41

Don't apologise to him, he's abusive. Don't go there again. Do some therapy and expect to be surprised at maybe being upset/angry when you realise your mum enabled him, and that issue crops up as well as taking about your dad's awful behaviour. It will make you feel shit... But you deserve better. Going forward, they should be the ones to protect you, but unfortunately it can hurt you for ever waiting for them to do what they should (and usually they never, ever do what they should to be your parent).

Also be prepared for other family to never speak to you again because they kowtow to him. I've been through all of this, and truly, sometimes you have to break eggs to make an omelette.
The omelette will be delicious though, because it will be your life without emotional abuse in it (with the aid of therapy). Put yourself first.

LilyJessie · 20/08/2024 17:41

@Mischance
I just want to say...
OP's father abused her. In a horrific way. That man abused her, her sister and her mother, and had a reign of terror on them all. That man has caused them all physical and mental injuries. Seeing him bully another defenses living creature, would be hugely triggering for OP.

I think a man like that, making children have black eyes, beating their mother in front of them, and breaking mirrors and leaving the damage in their bed after deserves a lot more than hearing "fuck off".

OP, that's MN victim blaming at its finest. Abuse towards a cat is not acceptable. And is a classic sign of an abusive person. It could well have reminded you of yourself, as a defenseless child.

Your journey of self discovery after your abusive relationship has probably taught you warning signs of abusive people (animal abuse being one of them), and now you're not going to put him with his shit anymore.
You did nothing wrong. He always has been wrong.

SkytreeMadeOfClay · 20/08/2024 17:46

And this post has really triggered me regarding animal abuse. It is so, so true that bad people expose their rotten cores by abusing animals without a care. I had family members who refused to seek veterinary care for their animals when they were desperately ill and dying, and that's also a form of animal abuse. They would never ever recognise it as such, because they are shit people.

Ugh. I would go and take the cat and keep it at my house. You and the cat can heal together, obviously his abuse of yourself was 10000% worse and honestly unforgivable.

speakball · 20/08/2024 17:46

Op on these threads there’s always a few ‘but it’s your faaaaaaaamily’. This is what women with crappy husbands had to hear all the time 50 years ago. Being genetically related to someone doesn’t mean you have to tolerate their darkness. And that includes every time your dad brought trauma into your life. His ego is the only thing he has every nurtured. Having inseminated an egg doesn’t miraculously afford him all the emotional skills to give even a small crap about people. If only.

Feel your anger. It’s yours. Your parents have spent a lifetime disarming you with guilt and shame. That can change :)

LittleLantern123 · 20/08/2024 17:53

I haven't spoken to either of my parents for 4 years and they were nowhere near as bad as your dad!
I was about 36 when we stopped talking, no massive fall out, I just had enough of their shit.
I definitely wouldn't bother with your dad again.

MoveToParis · 20/08/2024 18:02

Mischance · 20/08/2024 17:12

I would not be happy if my AC swore at me in my own house. And I would not like them telling me what I can and cannot do in my own house/garden. Its up to your Mum and him to decide between them what their attitude to the cat should be.

That’s fine, but if your hostility to anyone contradicting you is that severe, then you’ve probably already discovered that those who’ve experienced that hostility up close and personal tend to give you a swerve and slowly or quickly get you out of their lives.

OP’s father doesn’t actually value her as a person, never mind as his daughter, not to speak of not valuing a close relationship with her. His actions over decades show that. I don’t know the extent to which your words and actions match those of the father, but my guess is, the closer they resemble his, the more distance your AC give you a swerve.

speakball · 20/08/2024 19:01

And the point made about ‘think of your little garden, you wouldn’t want to lose that.’ OMG. If I was sitting in front of you telling you my partner has put glass in my bed and that I was going to leave would you ever EVER caution me to think twice because the garden. You wouldn’t would you? Would you?

Dontbeme · 20/08/2024 19:18

Do you know what OP, well done for swearing at him. You have shown that you have more compassion and protectiveness towards an innocent creature than he had for his own child.

While it may not feel pleasant right this minute I think this could be healing for you. You used your voice against the person that abused you growing up, your reaction shows that you are developing boundaries around what feels right for you. You saw a line crossed, stepped in and protected an innocent, that takes great strength. Sending you hugs.

roses321 · 22/08/2024 15:09

Thanks for all the messages everyone, I appreciate it.

the whole thing sucks to be honest, I don't live in my own place, I actually live in a house share right now because of leaving my abusive relationship and waiting for the house to be sold that my ex still lives in.

My dad happily told me that buying a house with my ex in the first place was me "ruining my own life". I don't feel like it has ruined my life actually, I feel like it's the start of my life where I can choose to say no.

I think that i just think about Christmas, fathers day, birthdays and everything else. I have always made a huge effort for my parents, but actually you know what? They have barely made any for me or my sister. I've tried to ignore it but to be honest I am just so sick of it now. My parents are both in their 70s and not in the best of health, so it feels in some ways like ffs why can't I just stay on good terms until the end... but honestly his behaviour was so childish it's a hard no from me. Literally pretending to be asleep while I was bent down hugging him... It was the final straw for me.

The real reason my dad has chosen this as a hill to die on is that I won't stand by and accept his behaviour and show deference, and it really makes me utterly sick that some men (my ex included) just think they are OWED respect.

They can all fuck off. I'm not doing it anymore.

OP posts:
speakball · 22/08/2024 16:40

Roses you’re amazing. And I hope you can also see the clarity that you are now thinking with. Do you journal? I found it so helpful at the start of my foray into the ‘omg it turns out my parents feel nothing for me’ journey. There’s going to be a lot coming up for a good while. This is you saying to that frightened and angry little girl ‘we’ve got this now, I can protect you now and I will never silence you again’ your inner parent can now nurture her. You can hear her clearly now!

I’m proud of you.

MounjaroUser · 22/08/2024 17:19

I agree, you're amazing. You have your sister - that's great. As for special days like Christmas etc, will she spend those with you or will be be blackmailed into going to your parents' home?

I'd meet my mum for a coffee once a week, but I wouldn't go to the house.

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