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My sister is an ice queen

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Thyra123 · 19/08/2024 11:58

My sister is six years younger than myself. We’ve always had a difficult relationship mainly due to our parents not being supportive of us getting along as their own marriage fell apart and they basically commandeered us into taking sides.

I was engaged to a man several years ago who my sister got very close to. She was always staying at our house, we used to cook for her, she’d always be dancing with him at family events and texting him at all hours. He said he felt sorry for her because she was lonely and didn’t have much of a life of her own, but later on (after we split) my family admitted he had told her ‘I’ve picked the wrong sister.’ I think she enjoyed the attention.

We split up, it was acrimonious, and my sister lied to me on his behalf and pretended she didn’t know where he was when he left our home to have a break from the relationship.

Me and my sister managed to sort of patch things up after the break up, which mainly meant never speaking about him or addressing anything about it but just brushing it all under the carpet. Being the older sister I actually apologised to her for putting her in an awkward situation and she was happy to play the victim and said he’d manipulated her. Years later I found out perhaps she did have feelings for him at the time but I didn’t want to cause a fuss after we split, especially because I didn’t want my parents to get upset. So I’ve gritted my teeth and never said anything.

Shes now engaged to a lovely man and I’ve been single for many years, looking after my teenage son who has debilitating OCD.

Several times I’ve asked for her help with things like borrowing her car when I’ve really needed support, or helping me look after my elderly dog, to which her fiancé is happy to do, but my sister will say no, but for some seemingly ‘reasonable’ reason.

She never asks how I am or how my son is doing. She tells family she thinks I am exaggerating the extent of my son’s difficulties. This is despite a psychiatrists evaluation and diagnosis. I recently asked if I could pop the dog round, as my son was having a mental health crisis and I needed her to look after my dog, but she refused and then never asked about my son.

I have had enough of being humiliating by asking her about herself and her life and never getting anything back and have stopped asking for her support as she clearly can’t/won’t . I felt as though I supported her a lot when she needed it (although she probably used to stay at my house a lot to be near my ex) but she’s never there for me when I need it. She’s such an ice queen and absolutely looks down her nose at me for being a single parent. She was jealous of me when we were younger, but now she seems like I’m not good enough to associate with her. She certainly wouldn’t ask me to be a part of her wedding day as a bridesmaid or anything like that.

It hurts me that she gives one word replies to messages and doesn’t seem to care about her nephew. She asked about him in the past but when I admitted things are really difficult for him she just stopped replying, and when I asked her why after a few weeks of silence, she admitted she couldn’t cope with the ‘drama’ of what my son goes through.

OP posts:
ChaToilLeam · 24/08/2024 11:42

She thinks you are like her - disloyal. And that’s why she doesn’t want you around. She imagines that you would worm your way in with her partner like she did with yours. It’s pure projection.

Drop the rope, she doesn’t want to help you out. I’d be going low contact. Unfortunately she and your parents are not nice people, you cannot rely on them, so no point even asking.

Iwantascone · 24/08/2024 11:49

Your sister showed you who she was when she deliberately had an inapproriate relationship with your boyfriend. It's odd to expect her to transform into a decent, caring person now.

Sheeplesss · 24/08/2024 12:08

You are not petty.
Should you ever be asked about why you are not close going forward, you can always say that you are not close sibce she had an inappropriate relationship with your fiancé.
Your parents are a part of this lie.
You don't have to tolerate them either.
I'm sorry that life is so hard for you and your son.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 24/08/2024 12:17

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 24/08/2024 11:34

Every single time your parents tell you your sister will help you/lend you something/do something for you, tell them, 'Great! You ask her for me and let me know what she says.'

Every. Time.

Excellent idea !

It might be that your parents quietly know but can't admit to themselves what she's like.

I don't think there's any need for explanations or even the slightest discussion. It won't do any good and will likely make things worse. There's a very good chance she'll make it all your fault.

Your best bet is to stop asking, stop expecting and stop engaging. Stay polite but let her make the running. Don't expect much.

When your parents brushed over her horrible behaviour with your ex, it was them making a choice and it's no wonder that you felt that you were making a fuss. But actually they rather taught you to ignore or doubt your perfectly reasonable intuition that you were entitled to find her behaviour deeply unpleasant.

She isn't a friend, OP. Or friendly, or behaving decently.

MyveryownFlyingSaucer · 24/08/2024 12:21

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 11:40

I’d imagine she would say that I’m draining to be in a relationship with and that she doesn’t want the drama of having me in her life.

So if she posted on here most people would advise her to go low contact and put boundaries in place.

She doesn't have to have a relationship with you, even though you are family. Siblings don't always get along. It sounds like your parents have been stirring the pot as well so don't have clean hands in this situation either.

I appreciate you have a lot on your plate with your DS but it sounds like you were never really close anyway and there's a lot of history there. With this in mind, I can sort of see why she would get frustrated with you asking for favours all the time.

With her relationship with her fiancé, she may have been trying to put boundaries in place with you and he didn't realise this. It's upto her what relationship she has with her family. By you asking them to look after the dog and trying to leverage the fiancés compliance into her being unreasonable must have been another nail in the coffin for her.

I'd take a step back and leave her alone tbh.

Just offering a different perspective.

MtClair · 24/08/2024 12:45

If she wasn’t your sister, what would you do?
Would you carry on with your life Wo her or would you still contact her, try to get favours from her etc…?

Whatever the reason, she doesn’t want a relationship with you or your ds. She doesn’t want to help you. And it doesn’t seem she respects you either or has a high opinion of you (but quite the opposite).
Listen to her. You can’t change her or the way she acts.

Id step back and stop acting as if you two were close sisters.
Build your own network, wo her.

The reality is, once illness/disability enters your home, many people, incl family, step away. They dint want to be involved, as of it was contagious. Better to think they are scroungers who are making things up.
And you have the whole ‘look she probably think you’re draining. A pain to be around, it’s all your fault’. Ableist attitude speaking loud and clear (from her and some posters).

And that’s so going into the very unhealthy relationship you’ve developed where you’ve apologised fir things you didn’t do or were not your fault whilst she could play the victim.

The best you can do is mourn the relationship you hoped to have with her.
And stop contacting her. She doesn’t have your back and probably never will.

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 12:49

MtClair · 24/08/2024 12:45

If she wasn’t your sister, what would you do?
Would you carry on with your life Wo her or would you still contact her, try to get favours from her etc…?

Whatever the reason, she doesn’t want a relationship with you or your ds. She doesn’t want to help you. And it doesn’t seem she respects you either or has a high opinion of you (but quite the opposite).
Listen to her. You can’t change her or the way she acts.

Id step back and stop acting as if you two were close sisters.
Build your own network, wo her.

The reality is, once illness/disability enters your home, many people, incl family, step away. They dint want to be involved, as of it was contagious. Better to think they are scroungers who are making things up.
And you have the whole ‘look she probably think you’re draining. A pain to be around, it’s all your fault’. Ableist attitude speaking loud and clear (from her and some posters).

And that’s so going into the very unhealthy relationship you’ve developed where you’ve apologised fir things you didn’t do or were not your fault whilst she could play the victim.

The best you can do is mourn the relationship you hoped to have with her.
And stop contacting her. She doesn’t have your back and probably never will.

This is an incredible post with so much insight, thank you so much

OP posts:
SuperFi · 24/08/2024 14:35

@MtClair you are spot on. I was shocked at so called “friends” attitudes when it became apparent my DS had special needs.

Op she is bitch, drop her, she is not worth your time. You know one day she will need YOUR help… I can feel the hurt in your post regarding the previous relationship, she just enjoyed the attention and sense of power that it gave her, playing games. Pathetic really.

Helpimfalling · 24/08/2024 15:18

Slow fade.... it's sad but it's the only thing I could do in your situation my family are all super super close and here I am struggling with my autistic children alone.

I couldn't be around people who didn't give a shit when my children were suicidal.
But they fall over each other for every one else's kids.

Slow fade unless you really need their help but you sound like you don't get that anyway.

Sending love

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 24/08/2024 18:53

From what you say she sounds awful and better having minimal role in your life. But one thing stood out in your OP - as the older sister of course you apologized. I am not getting it and it smacks of martyr mentality. Maybe your parents told you this was your role. But in my family it is the other way around - my oldest sister is a nasty bully and my mother spent our whole lives minimizing/denying/ignoring her behaviour. No set roles way for older/younger sisters to be IME.

Findinganewme · 24/08/2024 22:24

It looks like she’s pulling away further, the more desperate you seem. It is a sad situation and I’m sorry that you keep approaching her, for her to knock you back again. I think you should take the learning here, and back away. She’s not going to help you. She’s not the one to go to.

MellersSmellers · 25/08/2024 14:46

We can't pick our family and sadly we don't always get on with our siblings.
If I were you I'd keep it polite but certainly not rely on her for any help or empathy when it comes to your son, it sounds like she'll only disappoint you. Build your own network of reliable and supportive friends instead.

HarrytheHobbit · 25/08/2024 15:35

Just because someone is related to you does not mean that you have to maintain a relationship with them. Would you have your sister as a friend? If not then don't bother with her and lead your own life. The "blood is thicker than water" thing infuriates me.

Screwcorona · 25/08/2024 19:33

For some reason my spider senses are going off and I tend to trust them. I feel like there's some reason she's put boundaries in place. If the relationship isn't what you hope it I you can respect her boundaries an try to develop a better relationship over time or you can step back and flourish with other friends and family that you do get on better with.

LonelyInDville · 25/08/2024 20:35

sister or not, I wouldve been done with her when she was inappropriate with my OH. Unless she was 12 yrs old, that’s just unacceptable.

pinkducky · 25/08/2024 20:50

I think you need to vastly reduce your expectations of your sister. She doesn't want to help you, clearly. It's a shame, but not all siblings want to support each other much.

Your resentment for her really comes through in your posts, and maybe she feels that from you too. It sounds like she probably did like the attention, especially if she was jealous of you when you were younger, but tbh she did you a favour. That man was never the love of your life. If it wasn't her that turned his head, it would have been some other woman.

Thyra123 · 06/10/2024 20:41

So she barely acknowledged my birthday, I asked her in a text if she had an issue with me citing the fact she’s so distant and never asks after my son. She blocked me on everything, no explanation or warning. Told my dad that she’s too distressed grieving her partners brother to deal with me.

OP posts:
pinkducky · 06/10/2024 20:48

When you say she barely acknowledged your birthday, I assume she acknowledged it in some way? How has your relationship been since you left the thread? And did you know that they were recently bereaved?

TenderChicken · 06/10/2024 22:53

Why did you send that text? You know she has an issue with you.

And as above, did you know her partner's brother had died?

You've had lots of advice to back away from this relationship, but here you are poking the bear.

BlastedPimples · 06/10/2024 23:22

Just don't bother. You'll get nothing. Be civil at family occasions. But seek nothing more.

If you do keep prodding for more or if you respond to her future messages, then it's on you. Your fault. You know what she's like.

Bin it.

SleepPrettyDarling · 06/10/2024 23:38

I think there’s a lot going on. I agree she fears the ‘contagion’ of your son’s needs, and chooses to ignore them. She’s Gate keeping her own fiancé who agrees to help then has a mind-change. She sounds utterly self-centred and is suiting herself. If she ever gets pregnant, she’ll cocoon her PFB and won’t allow a relationship with you or your son to develop. Your parents are afraid to think badly of her. None of this helps you, and it is pure rotten to be refused help when clearly you and your son were in crisis. I’m so sorry for you. The legacy of your BF reminds me of the young Briony character in Atonement.

2921j2 · 06/10/2024 23:47

Forget about your sister. She sounds really horrible. Don't blow anything up with her, just continue not to bother.

Focus on yourself and your son. I imagine that you are already getting as much help off the NHS as you can, but it's probably not enough. There may be experts on MN who might be able to suggest ways to help him.

But sod your nasty sister.

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