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My sister is an ice queen

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Thyra123 · 19/08/2024 11:58

My sister is six years younger than myself. We’ve always had a difficult relationship mainly due to our parents not being supportive of us getting along as their own marriage fell apart and they basically commandeered us into taking sides.

I was engaged to a man several years ago who my sister got very close to. She was always staying at our house, we used to cook for her, she’d always be dancing with him at family events and texting him at all hours. He said he felt sorry for her because she was lonely and didn’t have much of a life of her own, but later on (after we split) my family admitted he had told her ‘I’ve picked the wrong sister.’ I think she enjoyed the attention.

We split up, it was acrimonious, and my sister lied to me on his behalf and pretended she didn’t know where he was when he left our home to have a break from the relationship.

Me and my sister managed to sort of patch things up after the break up, which mainly meant never speaking about him or addressing anything about it but just brushing it all under the carpet. Being the older sister I actually apologised to her for putting her in an awkward situation and she was happy to play the victim and said he’d manipulated her. Years later I found out perhaps she did have feelings for him at the time but I didn’t want to cause a fuss after we split, especially because I didn’t want my parents to get upset. So I’ve gritted my teeth and never said anything.

Shes now engaged to a lovely man and I’ve been single for many years, looking after my teenage son who has debilitating OCD.

Several times I’ve asked for her help with things like borrowing her car when I’ve really needed support, or helping me look after my elderly dog, to which her fiancé is happy to do, but my sister will say no, but for some seemingly ‘reasonable’ reason.

She never asks how I am or how my son is doing. She tells family she thinks I am exaggerating the extent of my son’s difficulties. This is despite a psychiatrists evaluation and diagnosis. I recently asked if I could pop the dog round, as my son was having a mental health crisis and I needed her to look after my dog, but she refused and then never asked about my son.

I have had enough of being humiliating by asking her about herself and her life and never getting anything back and have stopped asking for her support as she clearly can’t/won’t . I felt as though I supported her a lot when she needed it (although she probably used to stay at my house a lot to be near my ex) but she’s never there for me when I need it. She’s such an ice queen and absolutely looks down her nose at me for being a single parent. She was jealous of me when we were younger, but now she seems like I’m not good enough to associate with her. She certainly wouldn’t ask me to be a part of her wedding day as a bridesmaid or anything like that.

It hurts me that she gives one word replies to messages and doesn’t seem to care about her nephew. She asked about him in the past but when I admitted things are really difficult for him she just stopped replying, and when I asked her why after a few weeks of silence, she admitted she couldn’t cope with the ‘drama’ of what my son goes through.

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Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:00

Likewhatever · 24/08/2024 08:14

At the moment I don’t think she wants a close relationship with you and is keeping you at bay. Could she be concerned that as a single woman who seems to get on with her fiancé you might be a threat? She knows herself how that goes.

She may be more supportive when she has some tricky life experiences under her belt. At that point it’ll be up to you to decide whether you want a closer relationship with her.

I could have misread your OP but you do seem to be asking a lot of favours from someone you don’t get on with. I hope you have other, kinder support mechanisms to help you deal with your son 💐

I wondered this if she might be threatened. Not that I’d ever hurt her in that way.
Those favours were asked over a period of six years, my car was not driveable and the dog needed looking after a few times in six years and I was desperate. Problem is my dad would always get involved and say ‘oh your sister will lend you her car!’ Then I’d ask and be shot down. So often I questioned whether I should be asking for her support these odd times I really needed it.

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BowlOfNoodles · 24/08/2024 10:06

Stop asking for favours you know will be refused for starters. Secondly family or not it's quite close to begging when you are chasing this relationship with somebody that uninterested. For your self esteem and sanity please do ✂️ the strings and soldier on! I say that as a mother with a son with many additional needs YOU are enough you will deal with all this with as many coffees and struggles as necessary! but you'll know YOU did it with nobody to support you, you'll get stronger and stronger along the way and you'll think 🤔 I don't need this nasty little fucker in my life.

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:25

Thank you for all your replies!
I think this has helped me realise that my parents have been trying to keep this relationship between us and have got far too involved. And because my sister is the ‘golden child’ I’ve always felt like I can’t cut her off. They defended her after that stuff happened with my ex, saying she did nothing wrong and was just lonely, and cast him as the villain trying to come between us.
So I always felt it was up to me to keep the peace and turn a blind eye.
I didn’t want to ask for her support but my parents have tried to foster that, to get us talking I guess. I wish I hadn’t but I was worried I’d end up with no one. But there are worse things!

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Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:26

I haven’t asked for help since two months ago and that was at my dad’s insistence. Never again!
I just wondered if that would seem petty to people outside the situation but clearly not! Consensus seems to be ✂️ and I should’ve done so years ago!

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BowlOfNoodles · 24/08/2024 10:29

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:26

I haven’t asked for help since two months ago and that was at my dad’s insistence. Never again!
I just wondered if that would seem petty to people outside the situation but clearly not! Consensus seems to be ✂️ and I should’ve done so years ago!

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I've not asked anybody for anything in years if I can't do it and can't learn I'll pick up the yellow pages. I feel stronger, more self sufficient and I'll tell you what nobody can ask me for shit!

Sassybooklover · 24/08/2024 10:31

I think you need to accept, as hard as it may be, that your sister is not and will never be, the kind of sister you so desperately want. She has shown you time and time again, that she's not interested in you, your son or your dog. Her interest in your now ex-partner, tells you all you need to know. She may not have necessarily 'wanted' him, but the fact she could take his interest away from you, gave her some kind of misplaced satisfaction. She's clearly a very unpleasant person. You need to distance yourself away from her, stop asking her for help - her refusal, again is because she gets a sick satisfaction of saying no. She could probably help, but it gives her a sense of power over you, by refusing. Be polite at any family functions, but start withdrawing from her. Stop texting/calling her, no matter how desperate you may be, don't ask her for help, she will never say yes.

BowlOfNoodles · 24/08/2024 10:32

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:26

I haven’t asked for help since two months ago and that was at my dad’s insistence. Never again!
I just wondered if that would seem petty to people outside the situation but clearly not! Consensus seems to be ✂️ and I should’ve done so years ago!

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I'd absolutely fuck her off! She's disloyal, stuck up, unhelpful and doesn't respect you your son or your boundaries not even your relationships!

TenderChicken · 24/08/2024 10:34

You seem to have a good understanding of the unhealthy dynamics in your family, so the next step is to instill those boundaries and stick to them. You will feel so much better when you do.

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:38

Sassybooklover · 24/08/2024 10:31

I think you need to accept, as hard as it may be, that your sister is not and will never be, the kind of sister you so desperately want. She has shown you time and time again, that she's not interested in you, your son or your dog. Her interest in your now ex-partner, tells you all you need to know. She may not have necessarily 'wanted' him, but the fact she could take his interest away from you, gave her some kind of misplaced satisfaction. She's clearly a very unpleasant person. You need to distance yourself away from her, stop asking her for help - her refusal, again is because she gets a sick satisfaction of saying no. She could probably help, but it gives her a sense of power over you, by refusing. Be polite at any family functions, but start withdrawing from her. Stop texting/calling her, no matter how desperate you may be, don't ask her for help, she will never say yes.

Do you know what’s sad, I thought he was the love of my life, we had such a laugh and he suited me in so many ways. And after all this drama, my sister turned around and said he wasn’t her type (because he was short, and immature and hadn’t been to university 🙄) so they hurt me for nothing. She didn’t even want him.
It has put me off relationships and I don’t have time anyway now because of my sons difficulties, and yet she’s the one in a happy relationship

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Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:43

BowlOfNoodles · 24/08/2024 10:29

I've not asked anybody for anything in years if I can't do it and can't learn I'll pick up the yellow pages. I feel stronger, more self sufficient and I'll tell you what nobody can ask me for shit!

I live hundreds of miles from all our family and I always have to either fix stuff myself or pay someone, I’m fiercely independent. But when I had to travel back home and told her my son was having a mental health crisis (I was on the phone to an ambulance) I asked if she could have the dog overnight so I didn’t have to pay for a dog friendly hotel and could Kip on my dads sofa (this is all my dad insisting she will do this for me because she would want to help 🙄) I even told him on the phone ‘she won’t help
dad.’ He was gutted when I proved him wrong and she didn’t help. Not only could she not help, which was fine in my opinion, because I wasn’t expecting her to help, but she then never asked about my son! That’s what really hurt, to decline to help was one thing, but to not even ask about his health after I explained how ill he was 😡

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Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:48

I think I’ve also realised that I’ve been asking her for help at my parents insistence because if I refused, they would assume I’m being stubborn and overly independent. THEY haven’t accepted what she’s like. So for their sake I’ve tried for too long but all she’s done is prove to me and them that she’s a selfish unkind person. Sad that I’ve had to do this for them to see that. Even my parents are scared to ask her for things. They’d always rather ask me even tho I live hundreds of miles away because they don’t want to ‘bother her.’ 😒

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BowlOfNoodles · 24/08/2024 10:52

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 10:43

I live hundreds of miles from all our family and I always have to either fix stuff myself or pay someone, I’m fiercely independent. But when I had to travel back home and told her my son was having a mental health crisis (I was on the phone to an ambulance) I asked if she could have the dog overnight so I didn’t have to pay for a dog friendly hotel and could Kip on my dads sofa (this is all my dad insisting she will do this for me because she would want to help 🙄) I even told him on the phone ‘she won’t help
dad.’ He was gutted when I proved him wrong and she didn’t help. Not only could she not help, which was fine in my opinion, because I wasn’t expecting her to help, but she then never asked about my son! That’s what really hurt, to decline to help was one thing, but to not even ask about his health after I explained how ill he was 😡

Yes mam I've done eeeeeeeeeverything for myself, painting the fence, paying electrican watching how to do videos 📹 badly but trying lol. Read what you just told me back to yourself that's ALL you need to know. ✂️ this situation off today right? And start healing ✨️ but ask for a favour or expect any empathy and love in 6 months back to feeling how you do today and it will go on for years more.

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 11:01

BowlOfNoodles · 24/08/2024 10:52

Yes mam I've done eeeeeeeeeverything for myself, painting the fence, paying electrican watching how to do videos 📹 badly but trying lol. Read what you just told me back to yourself that's ALL you need to know. ✂️ this situation off today right? And start healing ✨️ but ask for a favour or expect any empathy and love in 6 months back to feeling how you do today and it will go on for years more.

Thank you 🤗 I haven’t messaged her for a month now, she told me our dad was okay after he’d had a medical procedure last month and since then I’ve not messaged her at all. I’d guess she’s probably confused/relieved/non plussed. I don’t care how she’s taking it but she must know I’m not going to make small talk or ask after her anymore. I can’t seem to stop looking at her social media though and seeing what crap she posts 😂 that’s the next step!

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YourHangryZebra · 24/08/2024 11:02

She seems uninterested so I'd have nothing more to do with her

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 11:02

People tend to criticise people who are hyper independent but never wonder how they became that way- people letting them down. I’ve just got to make my peace with that and accept it.

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ImNotReallySpartacus · 24/08/2024 11:03

Your sister probably just does not like dogs and does not want one in her home. Nobody owes you dog care any more than they owe you child care.

sweetgingercat · 24/08/2024 11:07

Sorry to say that your parents were manipulative with you children when they broke up and she has learnt that this is the way to conduct relationships. Unless she comes to this realisation, it’s unlikely she’s going to change or support you in any meaningful way. I’m sorry. You need good friends who will support you instead.

Having said that, I’m not sure that asking her to look after the dog when your son is going through a mental health crisis indicates much respect for her helping abilities. It’s like, I’m going through a crisis, please come and do the cleaning… I understand why, because she doesn’t sound like the person who has the ability or insight to help in any crisis. You might find a dog walker who could be more helpful.

I might be wrong in thinking you are still in competition with her, that you helped her out when she was down and now you’re down on your luck and instead of helping you she’s up there looking down from her ice perch. It’s not helpful to you to compare yourself to her, although, given your family history, it’s probably hard not to. I think some therapy might help you unravel some of these knotty issues your parents tied you up in years ago and still affect you.

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 11:08

ImNotReallySpartacus · 24/08/2024 11:03

Your sister probably just does not like dogs and does not want one in her home. Nobody owes you dog care any more than they owe you child care.

They love dogs and want to get one of their own and regularly dog sit his families dogs.

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BowlOfNoodles · 24/08/2024 11:08

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 11:01

Thank you 🤗 I haven’t messaged her for a month now, she told me our dad was okay after he’d had a medical procedure last month and since then I’ve not messaged her at all. I’d guess she’s probably confused/relieved/non plussed. I don’t care how she’s taking it but she must know I’m not going to make small talk or ask after her anymore. I can’t seem to stop looking at her social media though and seeing what crap she posts 😂 that’s the next step!

This is the first step I made with going no contact social media! The temptation to post memes about pieces of shit and useless people was too much for me to resist and I'd also visit the pages way too often! I tapped the block button and I'm glad I did! Because it festers? Pisses you off? Becomes unhealthy. Social media is toxic

Z0rr0 · 24/08/2024 11:15

Comparison is the thief of joy. You need to stop comparing yourself and your life to hers and just appreciate what you have and the joys you make for yourself. Could you join a local group and start a hobby with other people who can become friends that in future might be able to help with the dog for example? Or just have your back as friends. Maybe you and your son could start a sport together with other people? Table tennis? Badminton? Walking groups? People fill social media with only the best bits of their lives. If she is like this all the time she will not be happy in the long run as people realise who she is. Take comfort from being a good, kind person and being the strong independent person your son needs you to be and try to put her out of your mind.

MyveryownFlyingSaucer · 24/08/2024 11:18

If your sister were posting on here, what would her side of the story be do you think?

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 24/08/2024 11:34

Every single time your parents tell you your sister will help you/lend you something/do something for you, tell them, 'Great! You ask her for me and let me know what she says.'

Every. Time.

BowlOfNoodles · 24/08/2024 11:36

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 24/08/2024 11:34

Every single time your parents tell you your sister will help you/lend you something/do something for you, tell them, 'Great! You ask her for me and let me know what she says.'

Every. Time.

It sounds like the parents are refusing to be helpful and passing the buck.

Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 11:40

MyveryownFlyingSaucer · 24/08/2024 11:18

If your sister were posting on here, what would her side of the story be do you think?

I’d imagine she would say that I’m draining to be in a relationship with and that she doesn’t want the drama of having me in her life.

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Thyra123 · 24/08/2024 11:42

Z0rr0 · 24/08/2024 11:15

Comparison is the thief of joy. You need to stop comparing yourself and your life to hers and just appreciate what you have and the joys you make for yourself. Could you join a local group and start a hobby with other people who can become friends that in future might be able to help with the dog for example? Or just have your back as friends. Maybe you and your son could start a sport together with other people? Table tennis? Badminton? Walking groups? People fill social media with only the best bits of their lives. If she is like this all the time she will not be happy in the long run as people realise who she is. Take comfort from being a good, kind person and being the strong independent person your son needs you to be and try to put her out of your mind.

Unfortunately my son’s OCD is so severe we are unable to leave the house, which is a separate problem.

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