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Should I just put up and shut up to save our marriage?

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TwistedMelon78 · 18/08/2024 23:50

For context: 26 years together, 17 married.
Such a long post- so thanks in advance if you make it through!

My DH is awesome- we have always had a laugh, get on really well and I am lucky to have someone who loves me.
However, a lack of sex has become such a problem for me. I’ve done lots of soul searching and reflecting, and realised that problems started in my first pregnancy (which was in 2009, ending in miscarriage).
We used to have a regular sex life but didn’t have sex during any pregnancy (2 years into marriage) as he found it weird, and then following a traumatic birth / c-section first time, it took a long time to even think about sex, and parenting took its toll so it just dwindled meaning it was a few years before we did it.
We agreed to try for another child, although if I’m totally honest with myself I knew we had serious issues so perhaps shouldn’t have, but told myself this would solve everything, and I fell pregnant straight away, as in, first time trying, so it was another few years before we had sex again.
In the last 15 years I think we have had sex no more than 20 times.

We have acknowledged that our crap sex life isn’t normal, and tried to sort it out a few times. Last year, I told DH how it was really getting me down and was honest about how I was feeling, and we discussed it at length. He agreed we had to do something, and also agreed that we had both stopped trying to be attractive- we’ve both gained a lot of weight over the years, so said we would give ourselves a year to save our marriage, be nicer to each other, pay more attention to each other and try to be a bit healthier, as well as each work on our own mental health and self esteem.

A year down the line: he admitted he had been depressed (there’s a whole heap of other issues- lack of motivation/drive to do anything, unwillingness to change jobs to make more money (I’m breadwinner, work so much harder yet also am default parent/cleaner/life organiser etc) so he has seen a counsellor which has helped his mood and he has made some changes in his business so more money is coming in.
I have started exercising more, joined a gym, go to classes and feel healthier and have lost a stone (although a recent holiday has meant I’ve gained a bit back); and I’ve been trying to book in date nights etc so we spend time together. He has made zero effort with health and eats so much crap, does no exercise etc.

And everything is lovely- except we just don’t have sex, or even acknowledge it. We recently had a night away in a hotel as we went to a gig, but he refused to shower (his feet stank) and I was so turned off I just went to sleep. He didn’t try to instigate anything- never does. It always has to be me. It’s like he just isn’t bothered.

His sex drive is low, but not non-existent. I know he masturbates in the shower and I know he watches porn on his phone.

He does struggle with low self esteem. He was so upset when I suggested I may not want to stay in a marriage with no sex, and it triggered months of depression, so it’s difficult for me to discuss it with him. He just wants to carry on as if everything is ok, and apart from the lack of sex, it is.

I know he isn’t cheating on me. He really loves me, and I know I’m lucky in that respect. He’s a great dad too.

But I have spent the entirety of my 30s and several years of my 40s wondering ‘is this it? Is this all there is? Am I never going to feel desired, wanted, fancied etc?’ I don’t want to realise, at the age of 60, that I have wasted my best years!

And if I do decide to leave, does that make me a selfish cow? (Not to mention finances- I earnt double his income because he wasn’t motivated to earn more, but it’s not like he was raising the kids- I had to do all that too- but I can’t afford to buy him out of the house or get a mortgage alone, so my kids would hate me for doing it as we would both have to live in crap little houses rather than in our nice house in our nice village)

Am I being an arsehole for wanting more than this?

OP posts:
TwistedMelon78 · 20/08/2024 23:59

Summerhillsquare · 20/08/2024 17:47

You've had promises of change before though?

Yes, and some changes were made- he saw a counsellor and had CBT about his low mood, he has taken on more life admin and has got an additional job to bring in more money. I suppose everything can’t be changed overnight!
To be fair, we have also had a tough year, with several child deaths in our family/close friendship group, so it’s understandable we haven’t been totally focussed on health etc.
He knows I’m serious. He knows I accept responsibility too- it’s not all about him being shit!- so hopefully we can both work to make it improve.
And if it doesn’t, we will regroup and see if we have just reached a natural end to the marriage but hopefully it doesn’t come to that.

OP posts:
JenniferBooth · 21/08/2024 00:33

Blackthorne · 19/08/2024 09:50

Just be careful vaginal atrophy doesn’t kick in and you can’t/don’t want sex yourself!

it doesn’t happen to everyone but certainly enough to really bare it in mind

FYI You can have intimacy without sex just as you can have sex without intimacy

JenniferBooth · 21/08/2024 00:40

DH and I got to a stage where it was 2-4x per year due to work, kids, etc. (A “sexless” marriage is 10 or fewer times/year

I think describing a sexless marriage as 10 or fewer times a year is ridiculous. A sexless marriage should be described as no sex at all

Someone who drinks alcohol 10 times or less a year is not described as teetotal.

OldCrocks · 21/08/2024 01:58

My view is that a marriage with sexual problems has other problems too. People on here often say that their relationship is great in every other way, just that the sex is rubbish or absent, but in my experience there's always something underlying it, and one or both partners are ignoring it, failing to acknowledge it, or muddying the waters for the other somehow. Good luck OP. It's not selfish to want and need sex and intimacy, and if you do then a sexless marriage is a soul-destroying thing.

Omlettes · 21/08/2024 02:06

TwistedMelon78 · 19/08/2024 07:50

Just to add, in case it’s not clear- I do really love him and when I think of the future, it’s always us together. I’ll be so sad if we split up.
There is also the problem of finances- he has a large inheritance coming which has always been his retirement plan, hence the lack of drive to earn loads. But he will be entitled to some of my pension which is so unfair as it’s not like he was looking after the house and kids whilst I was working.
I feel totally trapped and would appreciate outside opinions on this. X

Perhaps the porn is having a bigger effect than you think or he can admit.

HoppityBun · 21/08/2024 06:35

OldCrocks · 21/08/2024 01:58

My view is that a marriage with sexual problems has other problems too. People on here often say that their relationship is great in every other way, just that the sex is rubbish or absent, but in my experience there's always something underlying it, and one or both partners are ignoring it, failing to acknowledge it, or muddying the waters for the other somehow. Good luck OP. It's not selfish to want and need sex and intimacy, and if you do then a sexless marriage is a soul-destroying thing.

I agree. But I also suggest going to your GP for a referral to sort this out. The Drs who deal with this are very good an identifying what’s going on.

isthismylifenow · 21/08/2024 07:10

OP I have read your posts and as I was reading though, my thought was to suggest counselling. Now I'm not normally in the counselling camp as there are definitely good and bad ones.

I am going to assume you are around mid 40s? Just want to say what my experience has been, and many of my similar aged friends so that it may help you to decide what you want to do.

Seperated mid 40s and divorced a few years later. So a single woman in late 40s. If you are someone that needs life companionship going forward, then you might run into some issues. I'm pretty independent and went with the thinking that someone else would probably come along and we could do the boring run of the mill stuff together.

I haven't found this to be the case. So I am pretty certain that I will be single forever now. I have dated a bit here and there, but what I will say is that not many people get to our age with no issues. I think you have to work out what issues you are okay to deal with. Those that I walked away from that I wasn't willing to compromise about were alcoholism, gambling addiction, sexomnia (basically night time rape whilst drunk), estranged from all family etc etc.

This is the reality I am afraid. I know I have some issues too, who doesn't, but you need to decide which are deal breakers for you.

You seem to have a good lifestyle, and a good relatuonship essentially. There is a good chance the latter will change if you divorce. I don't know many people (I am sure some will come along and say it's not so though) that have a very good relatuonship with their ex post divorce.

If I were in this situation, and I knew then what I know now, I would 100% try to work on this together.

And I have very strong walls up and will walk away from a situation without a 2nd thought, but this one, I would think very hard about.

I'm mid 50s now, so ten years down the line from where you are now.

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