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Ex's wife asking me for support

45 replies

Slinky1460 · 16/08/2024 12:30

Out of the blue, the wife of my daughter's dad has reached out as an intermediary to try and get them to reconnect. Ex and his wife seem to have a lovely life, are financially well off, no worries etc. so good for them.

DD doesn't speak to her dad as he was very difficult to deal with when she was a child and made demands of her she was just not prepared to meet, so after a particularly fractious visit, she left his house and has never been back in touch with him since. Nor he with her.

8 years later when DD is 23, she receives contact from his wife who I have to say is a very nice woman. No problem so far.

The wife then asks for a private f2f chat with DD so she can air her grievances and go into some of the detail of why she doesn't want a relationship with her dad. DD agrees and the conversation didn't even get to the topic before the wife started telling her that she is on the brink of leaving him due to his intolerable behaviour, verbal abuse, lack of empathy and social skills etc. etc. This has apparently been going on for the 8 years they have been married and the very reason why DD doesn't speak to him. Despite the veneer of their online life, things are not rosy in the garden. But if this has been going on between them for 8 years, why does the wife believe the estrangement is everyone's fault except the husbands. The dad has said he won't apologise to DD as has done nothing wrong. Not sending her a birthday or Xmas card, no contact, no financial support, spending her saving account, withdrawing her University funding is, in his view, not his fault.

Anyway, she has asked if I would share some of my experiences as part of her plan that her and hubby attend marriage counselling. She wants to hear my version of events compared to his as she's absolutely sure the picture he has painted is less than truthful. Now, I don't want to get involved. My experiences of him have been buried and even some of the stuff DD told me had happened, like him pinning me to the wall by the throat, I could not recall until she mentioned it.

I decided to write it all down in a letter which was actually quite cathartic but at the same time has brought memories back to the surface that have been buried for a long time. The question is, do I say point blank that it's not my problem and I don't want to be involved, or, for DDs sake as much as the wife's, give her the letter and hope that satisfies her?

Clearly the dad needs to be in some kind of mental health facility to heal and grow. He would loose his mind if it was suggested. I want DD to have a relationship with a loving, supportive father but unless he commits to this, there is no hope.

OP posts:
Foxblue · 16/08/2024 12:35

I would be worried that by putting it in writing and giving it to her, you would be putting yourself and the wife in a dangerous position, given that he has a history of physical violence. I'm sure someone will come along with actual advice, but that was my immediate worry when I read this.

Sandwichgen · 16/08/2024 12:38

By all
means see her if you can face it. But don’t give her anything in writing. He is twisted enough to sue you for libel even if it is all true.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 16/08/2024 12:41

Alarm bells here. She shouldn't have shared any of that with your dd, particularly when they don't really have a relationship. It's inappropriate. I would be taking a huge step back and telling her that you will not get involved in any of this. I would further tell your dd that actually she isn't that nice and she should block her or be very careful what she shares

AncientAndModern1 · 16/08/2024 12:42

Why on earth are you even thinking of getting involved? Your daughter is an adult. Your marriage is ancient history and the current wife is nothing to do with you. Tell her she don’t want to get involved and close down all contact. I’d strongly advise your daughter to do the same but ultimately it’s up to her.

BeeCucumber · 16/08/2024 12:43

Don’t see her and for goodness sake - don’t send the letter. They are not your circus or monkeys. She is looking for excuses and validation from you for HIS behaviour. You will gain nothing from this contact apart from grief. Run away.

Anonym00se · 16/08/2024 12:45

I don’t think she wants to repair the relationship between your dad and her father. I think she’s used that as an excuse to get close to you and discover your ex’s behaviours within your marriage to use as ammunition for herself. I would be very, very wary.

ARichtGoodDram · 16/08/2024 12:46

She's out of order expecting you and your DD to help her attempt to fix him.
Especially as she seems to be trying to find things to explain his behaviour, rather than just accepting he's not a nice person.

I'd stay well away from it. Abusive men are at their most dangerous when they are losing control. I wouldn't put yourself or your DD into the firing line

MeAgainAndAgain · 16/08/2024 12:47

Don’t get involved. And tell your daughter to not get involved.

(Just for interest, why did the wife not involve herself when the dad was treating your 15 year old child so badly? But now she wants everyone to help her?)

StripeyDeckchair · 16/08/2024 12:57

Do not get involved
It will not end well

Her conversation with your DD was incredibly inappropriate and you should not engaged with her after it took place.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 16/08/2024 13:01

i wouldn’t put anything I writing either

Dilbertian · 16/08/2024 13:12

Something you see a lot on the Feminism threads: women are not support humans.

You are not her support human. You are not his support human. You have your own life to lead and the only person in this story who deserves your support is your dd.

Back off. Don't just back off, run away. You do not need to take on this woman's issues. You owe neither her nor your ex anything. You and your dd have escaped from him. She can't see that she also needs to escape from him - why on earth would you want to get involved with her attempts to stay with him?

Wigglytuff345 · 16/08/2024 13:16

Sandwichgen · 16/08/2024 12:38

By all
means see her if you can face it. But don’t give her anything in writing. He is twisted enough to sue you for libel even if it is all true.

Libel? She isn’t publishing it…

BloodyAdultDC · 16/08/2024 13:23

Don't get involved. You, and your dad, are nothing at all to do with their marital disputes. She doesn't need evidence of his behaviour towards you and dd - or even towards her - to separate from him and divorce. There is literally no benefit to you or dd in this crazy plan. Other than reinforcement that you made the right decision to leave him and DD to go nc.

Step away.

Hoppinggreen · 16/08/2024 13:28

Unless you can see a clear benefit to yourself or DD then do not get involved.
The new wife may well be getting abused but she was wrong to meet your DD under false pretences and dump on her like that.
Both of you should keep well clear

MotherJessAndKittens · 16/08/2024 13:34

Definitely do not get involved and absolutely nothing in writing. Your DD was clearly correct when she went no contact and the wife's experience (so she says) seems to have resembled what your DD went through and maybe yourself? The wife is deluded if she thinks it can be fixed. 3 women with similar issues! I am horrified that your ex stopped financially supporting his daughter and used her savings account and not supporting her at uni! All of you are better off without him but that's the other wife's problem to sort not yours or your daughter's. All I would say verbally is that he has lied about what he did to you and she can believe that or not!

Toooldforthis36 · 16/08/2024 13:35

Please don’t give her the letter. It’s been cathartic for you to write so has served its purpose. Would be telling the wife you wish her well, but that you don’t wish to be involved with the guy (that’s why he’s an ex).

I’d politely remind her that your DDs decision on a relationship (or not) with her father is between DD and her dad, and that she needs to back off.

damebarbaracartlandsbiggestfan · 16/08/2024 14:12

Am I right in thinking the wife arranged the meeting with your daughter under false pretences? It's pretty awful to manipulate someone like that, especially a young person who may not yet have the skills/awareness/confidence to navigate this sort of situation, especially if ambushed! If I were you, I'd be as wary of the wife as your ex. I'd cut contact and encourage DD to do the same. None of their marriage is anything to do with you and your DD.

justjurate · 16/08/2024 14:16

It's so selfish of the new life to involve the daughter into her marriage mess. And I think she did that by deceit. I'd advise you and your daughter to steer clear of the ex husband and his wife.

invisiblecat · 16/08/2024 14:22

Perhaps just say that it would be too distressing to go into details, but maybe she needs to bear in mind that whatever he is telling her is only his side of the story, and that nobody wants to paint themselves in a bad light.

BlackShuck3 · 16/08/2024 14:26

Back away and cut all ties, this woman has already tricked your daughter into meeting her under false pretenses. She will throw you both under the bus to save herself without a second thought.

KreedKafer · 16/08/2024 14:30

None of this is your problem and it's shocking behaviour from your ex's wife that she's tried to drag you and your DD into her marriage problems.

Clearly your ex is abusive. If she wants to attend marriage counselling with an abuser instead of leaving him, that is entirely up to her but it isn't up to you or your DD to help her with the process of having counselling or with ending her marriage, if that's what she eventually chooses to do. She chose to marry him and the fact that he used to be married to you does not mean you are somehow responsible for fixing any of this. If she'd asked you to make a statement to the police in support of a prosecution for domestic abuse or something, that would be a bit different (although you'd still be within your rights to say no) but she really has no business asking you for help with her marriage counselling (or with her choice to separate, if that's what happens).

You and your DD are estranged from your ex and that is how it should stay. Frankly, if I were either you or your DD I would be asking her not to contact me again.

Meezer · 16/08/2024 14:31

Agree with @BlackShuck3
Protect yourself and as far as possible your daughter from further hurt, emotional stress and drama.

BlackShuck3 · 16/08/2024 14:31

This woman is looking for a way to get revenge on the ops ex-husband that's why she's looking for dirt and ammunition. She won't care if her revenge also damages the op and ops daughter, she's just looking for a way to make this man stressed and angry. She will delight in telling him that his ex and his daughter have given her information and have been disloyal to him. And then he will be looking for revenge.

GloriousGoosebumps · 16/08/2024 14:39

Please don't get involved. If she wants to work on her marriage, she needs to address the problems she has - not the problems you had when you were married to her husband. My guess is that she's planning to throw your list of complaints at her husband whilst screaming "See, all your wives say the same things about you!" That'll bring your centre stage in their rows and goodness only knows what he'll do but I suspect he'll try and make your life a misery. Remember, you are not a stick to beat her husband with. Congratulations on getting to a good place, please don't sacrifice that achievement for some war this woman has with her husband.

Andwegoroundagain · 16/08/2024 14:42

All I would do is respond to this wife and say that you don't want to get drawn into details as it brings up painful memories. However you do recognise the behaviours she has cited from your time with him and they are consistent with your experience.

And then leave and cut contact. Not your circus

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