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Are my husbands hobby time reasonable with 2 young kids?

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OneCandidScroller · 11/08/2024 12:39

Not sure if this should be in parenting or relationships.

Looking for advice from both sides on whether my husbands new ultra running hobby is reasonable with 2 young kids!

Dh and I have a 2 and 4 year old. We have many problems but this one is killing me. He took up running which quickly turned to ultra running last year when our kids were 1 and 3. There was no discussion when he signed up to his first race, which required intense training routine of at least 3 mornings a week, a half day a weekend, increasing to 3-4 and 5-7 hour runs over both weekend days nearer the race. I work part time so already have both kids 2 days a week. So I did feel quite frustrated that he had signed up to such large commitment just expecting it to be all OK without discussing first.

For background, I was on and off work with pnd and now depression resulting in my now taking a year off, and going back on the meds as nothing as I'm still really struggling. Our kids are a handful, they fight constantly and talk/whine/shriek from the moment they wake up till they're finally asleep. It is INSANE. I'm so overwhelmed with it and now that I'm not working the household tasks fall 95% to me as well.

So we discussed it and I told him how much I was struggling with his training and the kids and all the extra household stuff. He can't see that it affects anything, but with his training and working, some late nights and weekend, he's burning the candle at both ends and is obviously very tired, which means grumpy, and he does less household tasks cause he's either too tired or not here.

After his first race I had a few blissful weeks of him being around more and having extra hands with kids and house, and we could have days out together. Then he brought up wanting to do another race a few months later. He convinced me that it did make sense that he do it while his fitness was still up rather than starting again next year, as I really couldn't face another full training plan. I said explicitly that of course he doesn't have to give up running (which is what he hears) I'm saying absolutely run, it's good for your mental and physical health but please I cannot do the extra solo parenting/household for another huge run next year. So he got to do that run and we said he would just do smaller races for a while.

He ran that second ultra race last weekend and the next day starts talking about what's next, to which I laughed thinking he was joking. He said he was being serious, I said I don't want to talk about this right now, I'm just enjoying having 2 parents:2 children today and we've spoke about it before at length. To which he replied that he's absolutely perplexed, he doesn't know what I'm talking about. He asks if that's it? If he's not allowed to run ever again now? And then says he's signing up to one anyway. Says he doesn't remember our conversation at all. And is now sulking and things are tense in the house.

So basically it feels like a stab to the heart - one, it felt like a huge weight was off my shoulders the day after knowing he'd be around more and less tired/grumpy, and second that even after several heart to heart conversations, I just can't trust him emotionally because he does what he wants anyway.

This is obviously all my perspective but I'm not sure if he's gaslighting me? AIBU? Is there a compromise? How do I feel less emotionally ignored? Obviously parents have hobbies but how do they manage it while not being at the detriment to the other that's struggling??

(For background this is the second time something similar has happened, when our oldest was about 6 months, he golfed every Sunday, I was so overwhelmed with a baby who didn't sleep more than 45 mins at a time day or night, had reflux and allergies and begged him not to golf every weekend as I couldn't do a 6 day week with baby. To which he replied that he was the one out working hard all week, bringing in the money, and that he could do what he wants at the weekend. The money thing isn't even true as I had good mat pay, I pointed this out and that I also have baby all week and all nights and begged him for a comprise of golf less weekends, but he still went every weekend. This is when I kind of checked out of the relationship. Oh he did suggest that I have Saturday and that he has Sunday, but I tried to explain that it was more about having 2 parents at the same time to parent and do the household chores etc. A day off his great but then I'd still need to do all the tasks and would still be 6 days.)

OP posts:
JanglyBeads · 11/08/2024 12:45

Unreasonable is putting it mildly I'm afraid

Drogdab · 11/08/2024 12:45

I think it’s too much but plenty of MNs do exercise/hobby every day including weekends. I don’t understand how everything fits in. 🤷🏻‍♀️

heldinadream · 11/08/2024 12:46

I can't even read your whole post without getting angry on your behalf OP. So I'm aware that it must be pretty shit to be living it.
You're the default parent. He's the guy who drops into parenting when he feels like it (and it floats to the top of his list occasionally). No, it's not OK.

I have no practical advice because I'm older and beyond these kind of struggles and find them really hard to engage with now (I did my time with this stuff). I just wanted to express empathy for you and hopefully lots of other women are going to come along with some actual practical ideas.
Hugs though. You deserve better.

SapatSea · 11/08/2024 12:49

If you are asking on here then you already know deep down that of course it is too much. Amazing how many men seem to develop an all encompassing hobby when they have young children ( and not when they were single or no children on the scene).

Sunburnisrareinscotland · 11/08/2024 12:50

Tell him he can buy a running buggy and take the youngest with him. And find a hobby that takes you out of the house several times a week..
Even if it's coffee with friends..

GrumpyPanda · 11/08/2024 12:50

He's a selfish arse, and he's doing it deliberately to get out of parenting. Make of that what you will, but you'd be better off going back to work and looking to go it alone.

anothermnuser123 · 11/08/2024 12:50

Why do these men always get super interested in hobbies after they have small children I wonder 🤔

I would tell him you are taking the same time out of the house as him each week and see what he thinks to having to deal with everything for many hours a week. Talking clearly isn't working so he needs a practical demonstration.

Before he books his next race, tell him for a month you are taking the equivalent time out, even if you sit with your feet up and leave it all to him. Maybe this will show him.

But no its ridiculous, especially with small children and its incredibly selfish. Why have children and then spend all your free time away from them and leave you being the default parent.

SamW98 · 11/08/2024 12:51

SapatSea · 11/08/2024 12:49

If you are asking on here then you already know deep down that of course it is too much. Amazing how many men seem to develop an all encompassing hobby when they have young children ( and not when they were single or no children on the scene).

Yep and then they end up on OLD with a succession of photos participating in their hobby seemingly with no idea why their marriage broke down

OP of course it’s not reasonable - he’s being a selfish twat but you know that

labamba007 · 11/08/2024 12:52

Sit down and agree a timetable where you get exactly the same amount of time on your hobby as he does. Then he'll understand exactly how hard it is for you! He knows this already of course, he's just selfish.

Thewildthingsarewithme · 11/08/2024 12:54

He does understand that looking after children is a job right, like if you weren’t doing it for free then you would both be paying someone else to do it out of your collective salaries, you’re not just sat at home having a holiday. These men honestly give me the absolute RAGE, you can’t even say ok you have them for a day to see how hard it is because they’ll stick them in front of the tv, feed them crisps and then declare it’s easy I fucking loathe them honestly you might as well just get rid of him now

MapleTreeValley · 11/08/2024 12:54

Tell him it's fine, but for every single hour he is out of the house at the weekend you will be taking an equal amount of time for yourself while he has the kids. Maybe that will help him understand your point of view?

Sillybillymillyvanilly · 11/08/2024 13:00

My husband is the same.

Got into cycling in a big way before we had kids which wasn’t an issue in any way. When we had kids he would go off on bike rides for one Sunday a month 8am until 6pm plus extra time for showering and post ride bike maintenance. The kids were toddlers by then but he failed to understand how it impacted my weekend, I work full time so it basically cost me a day of my weekend. That’s how it felt with two toddlers to look after. When the kids started school the cycling weekends away began, only twice a year but I meant he didn’t take time off for half terms as he had no spare leave. We did have a family holiday and Christmas though. It took me ages to realise he was coming home later from work because he was taking a longer cycle route to include some hills.

Anyway, he has switched to running and ultra marathons which means long training periods. He had also signed up to some in Europe so will be away for weekends again.

He does about 90mins exercise during the work week every day as he wfh so I inevitably finish earlier and have to do the cleaning and washing as he works to make up the time.

It probably bothers me less than when the boys were little but the fact he won’t use his leave for odd days doing something nice with the boys does. My mum says at least he’s not down the pub every night, fair point I suppose. I am definitely harbouring a lot of the resentment. Blimey, rant over. Sorry.

TemuSpecialBuy · 11/08/2024 13:03

Very honestly... me personally....

i would tell my dh if it didnt stop now. Today. I would begin divorce proceedings and i would mean it.

He had 20 years + to piss about with ultra marathons and he wants to do it Here. Now. At this moment. When he is needed by his family.

Hard No from me
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theduchessofspork · 11/08/2024 13:05

It’s clearly too much for your family, and would be for most pre-school families.

You both need to have equal amounts of time off, and avoid being exhausted. He’s done two so it’s a no for now. Tell him this but also gave a framework of time off in mind, and a suggestion of what he might do in the hours he can have eg cycling, lower level running, whatever.

This man needs a clear framework from you because he will push every boundary otherwise

rainbowsparkle28 · 11/08/2024 13:06

Absolutely he is being unreasonable. He is living essentially as if he is a single man, but with the perks of someone to do the childcare, pick up after him, do his washing and cook his food. He's got it pretty comfortable really 🙄🤨

theduchessofspork · 11/08/2024 13:07

@Sillybillymillyvanilly

Have you thought of dumping him? I would at least consider it.

StuckOnTheCeiling · 11/08/2024 13:07

He’s a selfish dickhead who, deep down or right at the surface, believes that because he is the man, it is his right to do whatever the fuck he wants. And because you’re a woman, it’s your job to look after the house and kids.

Id leave. Figure out what you want to do. Don’t just sit there and let him do this to you forever, take action before you lose all sense of self.

Jadedandlost · 11/08/2024 13:09

labamba007 · 11/08/2024 12:52

Sit down and agree a timetable where you get exactly the same amount of time on your hobby as he does. Then he'll understand exactly how hard it is for you! He knows this already of course, he's just selfish.

This, this, this

Begsthequestion · 11/08/2024 13:11

Jadedandlost · 11/08/2024 13:09

This, this, this

And also make a clear note of the childcare costs that would be needed if you were not doing childcare 24/7

Lexy70 · 11/08/2024 13:12

I empathise with you as my husband's ultra running hobby has been one of the biggest topics we fight about. We got round it by him running in his lunch break or when the kids were older and at their own activities. I'm sad to say that even after 30 years of marriage it is still something we fight about.

Men seem to manage to prioritise their needs at all costs. He goes away on his own for a week and a few weekends away a year and this seems to work.

With the kids as young as yours are it is utterly unreasonable for him to be taking on massive challenges that require huge training.

Make sure and prioritise yourself, weekends away etc, your relaxation and time to yourself is just as important. Xx

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 11/08/2024 13:12

Time for you to get into triathlon with some training weekends abroad.

Yankeescot · 11/08/2024 13:12

Hi OP, I completely understand both sides here. As an ultra runner myself(58 female with fully grown adult child) it is exhausting, exhilarating and also addictive. And training takes A LOT of time. But he shouldn't even be entertaining the idea with small children and a struggling wife. He is being quite selfish getting into ultra's at this life stage, unless he manages it better. I.e., getting up at 3 or 4am for his long runs. There are lots of things he could do to not impede with parenting time. He could stay with shorter distances for the time being as he's not managing training time well with a young family. However, it doesn't sound as if he will. And I'd be prepared for him planning on starting to travel for them. The ultra community is very different to regular road racing and frequently requires travel, and sometimes 24hour races which cover a full weekend.
He is being incredibly selfish. I know some younger fathers in my group. A few of them manage the parenting quite well and really seem to do their bit, such as bringing little ones along for long cycles on cross training days. Wives and kids usually there on race day, fully involved in the momentum of the day. And then there are a few that sound like your DH. We've never seen nor met their families, only know they have one. And like to come off as Father of the year. Ugh. I sympathise with you.

Northernlights100 · 11/08/2024 13:14

Exercise is really important for mental health. I’m guessing you don’t have time for much (or any). I would explain to him that you understand that exercise and breaks from the kids are important for him but they are important for you too. He needs to scale back his running to allow you time to improve your mental health. I suspect he won’t get it and will play the I have such a stressful job card (I’ve been there).
The only way I got a break was when we separated I’m afraid. I hope you can work something out though.

longdistanceclaraclara · 11/08/2024 13:14

He is taking the piss and opting out of family life. I had to have a very serious discussion with H about his football season ticket and cricket when we had kids. The cricket was a pita even before kids. It's been binned now.

Livinghappy · 11/08/2024 13:21

Yep and then they end up on OLD with a succession of photos participating in their hobby seemingly with no idea why their marriage broke down

1000% this. I wish I understood why hobbies are more important than family (is it for bragging rights to other men??)

I wonder if it's because these lyrca clad men no longer do manual work so need some physical challenge? Perhaps thru should get a work out from cleaning at home??

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