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Relationship with in-laws

32 replies

Badjoojooafoot · 09/08/2024 12:43

Sorry long post but am venting!

Something happened recently that has left me feeling a lot of anger and resentment towards my PIL. I currently feel that I never want to see/speak to them again but I know it’s not realistic and I need to have some kind of relationship with them for DH and DS’s sake.

I need a way to move forward without feeling angry at them and having as little contact as possible. Leading up to this I’d already hidden our WhatsApp group so I can’t see their messages, DH can respond if/when he wants. DH drops off DS at theirs/picks him up if they are having DS for the day/night. And if we have any get togethers I try and stick to neutral topics and plaster on a smile.

If I had to list all their behaviours/incidents that’s left me feeling this way I’d be on forever.

I would describe DH and I as pretty laid back. We don’t ask for things from our parents other than occasional babysitting if there is an event we’re both invited to. It is very rare we ask and often we are asked by our parents if they can have DS more as they love seeing him so it’s a win win. We all live in the same area. Our parents both have DS for an evening and a day each a week. This helps us out with childcare and we are so lucky and grateful, but they also do it because they want to see DS and enjoy it.

We have supported PIL when they’ve been sick, through family bereavements. Prioritised seeing them at Christmas over my parents, get thoughtful birthday/Christmas gifs, send pics of DS all the time. Invited them to baby/toddler classes, had them round when I was on mat leave at least twice a week as minimum and they spent time with DS loads on their own too when they could.

It is still not enough though!!

DH will tackle any behaviours from his parents that are particularly poor but for minor things, his default is to placate PIL because it makes life easier. If you don’t placate you get passive aggressive messages/comments, emotional manipulation and defensiveness. He has learnt over the years that it is not worth the stress. Once his parents disagreed with him over something trivial and it ended up in a big row, they didn’t speak to each other for weeks. They caused the row and kept pushing the issue, it was over something genuinely trivial.

We recently had to make a decision involving us, PIL and DS. The final decision definitely made our lives a bit easier but also benefited PIL. We made the decision taking into account the bigger picture. MIL was not happy, cue the above behaviours. DH was stressed about it. He has since explained the decision to PIL and they now understand why it was made. It came out that they think my parents spend more time with DS than them and this upsets them. It isn’t the case, in fact because of how they behave I think they probably see DS slightly more. But DS isn’t a doll to take turns with, he’s a human being and he is our son. I have felt pressured since DS was born, for them to spend more time with him and suspected they felt this way although the never said it. I have found their behaviour pretty suffocating to be honest and it has negatively impacted how I think of them.

I feel like a mug for making so much effort to include them over the last few years and still they feel it’s not enough. I’m pleased the issue was resolved in that DH isn’t stressed out but I’m left feeling angry because although this incident is now sorted in his head, their behaviours have not been called out. I know there will be a next time and I’m fed up with it all. 😩

Any words of advice?

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Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 11:43

Anyone?

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DoTheRoary · 11/08/2024 11:47

I think we need to know more about the incident that has happened to lead you to post. From what you've said I can only see them helping you with childcare equal to your parents so am not sure what has happened to make you upset. I'm not saying you've got no right to be upset, just that there's not enough to go by in your post.

Sorry.

Tiredofallthis101 · 11/08/2024 11:54

Agree with PP, not enough here to come to a judgement though does sound like they are hard work.

Gymmum82 · 11/08/2024 12:01

It’s ok to cut them out if that’s what you want to do for yourself.
I do not see nor speak to FIL. Any contact goes through DH. He takes the kids to see him. Any family events he will be at I don’t go. If that’s what you need to do to protect yourself then just do it

Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 14:22

Sorry I’ve been vague as I didnt want to put the full situation on, don’t think MIL has mumsnet or knows what it is but I get if it’s too vague I get it isn’t helpful

Essentially MIL was unwell and cancelled being able to have DS overnight. Said she’d probably feel alright the next day when they’d usually have DS for childcare. DH asked me to ask my parents if they were free in case MIL was still feeling poorly, my parents said yes and offered to have DS overnight. I said great as it meant less stress for us as no having to sort childcare last minute the next morning if MIL was still unwell, selfishly it still gave us a night off which was great as I had plans to get a few bits done at home, and there was less pressure on MIL not having to drag herself up early the next day if still unwell.

Also relevant and which PIL knew, DS was fighting off nasty virus so was grumpy, it’s awful looking after a grumpy toddler when you’re feeling rubbish yourself. We genuinely factored a few things in when deciding.

DH rang FIL and he said he was disappointed and thought MIL might be okay. DH then had second thoughts about DS going to my parents as he thought PIL would take it badly. I told DH I would deal with any ‘fall out’ I sent what I thought was a nice message to PIL explaining not to worry about the next day, for MIL to rest up and did they want DS another day in the week -the day DH and I are off to spend time together.

The message back was very emotionally manipulative. I didn’t rise to it, but there was at least one where MIL sent a response and quickly deleted it so I reckon it was something along the same lines as the other messages. Since then DH has seen PIL and they felt reassured when DH explained the rationale but that’s when they said they think my parents see DS more than them.

It honestly feels pathetic writing this out,I’m just fed up of DH worrying about how PIL might react with things. Eg he won’t ask to change the timing of plans once we’ve agreed them with PIL, even with plenty of notice, like a few days notice. Has to respond to messages in a certain timeframe as he k owes they’ll start with the phone calls. I’m sick of it!

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3rdtimeinflorida · 11/08/2024 15:59

My mental health vastly improves when there is little to no contact. Thank goodness for friends.
I feel for you OP.

DeclutteringNewbie · 11/08/2024 16:05

Not sure why you would want to expose your child to any of this. I find living at least 150 miles from either side of the family and expecting nothing means these situations don’t happen.

jannier · 11/08/2024 16:20

Why would you send your child who's coming down with a virus anywhere especially overnight so you can get chores done?
Maybe it's the way the messages are worded that causes upset?

HoppityBun · 11/08/2024 16:23

Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 11:43

Anyone?

What sortof advice do you want?

SauviGone · 11/08/2024 16:34

The best advice I was ever given to deal with my FIL was to “drop the rope”.

I have no communication with him. DH deals with choosing and buying birthday, Christmas and Father’s Day gifts and cards. He deals with all of the communication.

I realised that once I stopped making all the effort, DH makes very little effort himself. It was always me organising meals out, dinner at ours, telling DH to invite FIL over, making sure he was always included (above and beyond all other family as he’s on his own).

Now I don’t bother. The last time I saw him was at Easter. It’s bliss.

I’m just fed up of DH worrying about how PIL might react with things

DH has a moan about FIL occasionally and I make sympathetic noises but I’ve dropped the rope. DH knows, I have made it very clear, that my view is that I/we have no control over how FIL will react to things. If DH wants to deal with FIL’s bullying, emotional manipulation, etc, he’s a grown man and that’s up to him. But I choose peace.

Just drop the rope. It’s really freeing!

AgileGreenSeal · 11/08/2024 16:44

In your own mind, forgive them. By that I mean consider what they might have owed you in behavioural terms as “an iou” and then tear it up. Let them off the hook for being awful in-laws.

Let your husband take the lead in any future dealings / arrangements with them. Preserve your own peace of mind as much as possible. Get some “distance” in place between you and them.

xyz111 · 11/08/2024 16:45

SauviGone · 11/08/2024 16:34

The best advice I was ever given to deal with my FIL was to “drop the rope”.

I have no communication with him. DH deals with choosing and buying birthday, Christmas and Father’s Day gifts and cards. He deals with all of the communication.

I realised that once I stopped making all the effort, DH makes very little effort himself. It was always me organising meals out, dinner at ours, telling DH to invite FIL over, making sure he was always included (above and beyond all other family as he’s on his own).

Now I don’t bother. The last time I saw him was at Easter. It’s bliss.

I’m just fed up of DH worrying about how PIL might react with things

DH has a moan about FIL occasionally and I make sympathetic noises but I’ve dropped the rope. DH knows, I have made it very clear, that my view is that I/we have no control over how FIL will react to things. If DH wants to deal with FIL’s bullying, emotional manipulation, etc, he’s a grown man and that’s up to him. But I choose peace.

Just drop the rope. It’s really freeing!

Yes agree!!!

Op, why would you have to deal with the fallout? Let DH sort it out from now on. Sounds like way too much drama.

Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 17:26

@HoppityBun basically practical ways of moving forward, it is good to hear from others who have had to deal with similar, basically the kind of advice that @3rdtimeinflorida @SauviGone @AgileGreenSeal are posting, it’s helpful perspective for me, it is good to get tips of how others deal with what I like to call batshittery

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BlastedPimples · 11/08/2024 17:54

Christ. Why on earth do you have to tiptoe around these people, constantly fearful of offending them?

they sound horrendous.

They are not a priority at all and pains like spoiled brats.

Who do they think they are?

Your ds, your lives. They can fit in around you if and when you see fit.

Stop bending over backwards to accommodate them. Pair of brats.

BlastedPimples · 11/08/2024 17:55

And personally I wound f send ds with your dh to see them without you. They will start behaving even worse because you're not there. They are already incredibly presumptuous and entitled.

BlastedPimples · 11/08/2024 17:55

Wouldn't

Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 18:21

jannier · 11/08/2024 16:20

Why would you send your child who's coming down with a virus anywhere especially overnight so you can get chores done?
Maybe it's the way the messages are worded that causes upset?

So for context DS was coming out the other side of a virus, had been seen by a GP, there was nothing untoward eg no infection. But you know when toddlers just can’t be arsed and the answer to everything is no, even when you’re not asking an actually question? He was in that sort of mood, when you’re not feeling 100% yourself it’s hard work.

And the message was along the lines of asking how mil was, explaining that my parents have said they are happy to have him, acknowledging that they would have been looking forward to seeing DS so would they like to have him a different day. Just very factual but making sure I was asking after them and wishing them well.

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Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 18:23

xyz111 · 11/08/2024 16:45

Yes agree!!!

Op, why would you have to deal with the fallout? Let DH sort it out from now on. Sounds like way too much drama.

I know, basically when DH was wavering about whether we should in fact send DS to my parents in case his parents got upset I said I would message so would take any flack, he’s been a bit stressed recently with a health thing that happened to turn out okay but at the time he didn’t know that and I could see his brain was ticking over. Usually he deals with everything.

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Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 18:27

BlastedPimples · 11/08/2024 17:54

Christ. Why on earth do you have to tiptoe around these people, constantly fearful of offending them?

they sound horrendous.

They are not a priority at all and pains like spoiled brats.

Who do they think they are?

Your ds, your lives. They can fit in around you if and when you see fit.

Stop bending over backwards to accommodate them. Pair of brats.

I know!! 😫 honestly when DH was wavering about whether or not to cancel DS going to my parents I just thought that exact thing, why the fuck are we pussyfooting around! I just thought it made sense and would save everyone hassle the next day. DH is basically conditioned to placate as it isn’t worth the hassle.

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BlastedPimples · 11/08/2024 18:44

It is worth the hassle.

You have to stand up to them a few times. Let them sulk. Let them strop. Let them and leave them to it.

And then they will understand they are not the priority here.

Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 18:48

DeclutteringNewbie · 11/08/2024 16:05

Not sure why you would want to expose your child to any of this. I find living at least 150 miles from either side of the family and expecting nothing means these situations don’t happen.

They love DS and he is always happy to go, he loves them very much and always looks like he’s having a great time with them. He is too young to understand now but I do worry as he gets older what could happen. Eg what happens if he doesn’t want to give them a hug when he sees them, are they going to make a big deal out of it? Force him to give one, make a comment? What will they be like when he’s older and at school? They’ll see a lot less of him then? So in that respect, I do think they there will be challenges ahead

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Badjoojooafoot · 11/08/2024 18:58

BlastedPimples · 11/08/2024 18:44

It is worth the hassle.

You have to stand up to them a few times. Let them sulk. Let them strop. Let them and leave them to it.

And then they will understand they are not the priority here.

I think that’s how I started feeling. I think there have been too many times like this and I just thought nope, I’m not putting ourselves at detriment to save their feelings this time. It was actually a joint decision to make alternative arrangements, in fact DH suggested it. He only questioned whether to go ahead or not once he got the sense PIL might not be happy and I had to convince him that we were doing the right thing overall.

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gotmychristmasmiracle · 11/08/2024 20:06

Mine PIL are like this, I honestly can not be arsed with all, when Covid hit it made me realise how much it all stressed me out, lots of boundaries in place now. I refuse to join the circus.

gotmychristmasmiracle · 11/08/2024 20:10

I really wouldn't be asking for childcare from them either tbh. Honestly what till it's the nativity at school and you only have 4 tickets to go 🤦‍♀️ luckily it was on 2 times so I could go with my parents and him with his parents, we didn't get to go together which was sad!

Sunburnisrareinscotland · 11/08/2024 20:14

You really really really do not need to justify any of your parenting decisions or choices to them whatsoever..
Stop pandering to this shit.. Hell I am mad reading all that. You need to prioritise your mh and your dc over them fuckers!!
The one bit you got right is ds isn't a bloody toy. Offer up times to call on for a cuppa and stop running yourself raggard. And find a nursery for ds.. Feel yourself breathe op.