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Long Suffering SIL troubles.

53 replies

GilboBaggins · 05/08/2024 17:32

What should I do?

I have been married to my DH for 25 years, I have been with him for 34! We got together when we were 18.

His mother and sister never really took to me. His sister is the worse, she is one year older than DH and me, bossy, noisy, nosey, single, controlling, a bully, manipulative, uses emotional blackmail and gaslights etc. etc. It is no secret in any other life we would not be friends.

Over the years I felt I had gained some respect, and they were beginning to like me. I am quiet, shy, an introvert, the opposite to their, loud, dramatic, extrovert-ism. I, in turn, was beginning to like them, but I am aware they are all sweetness and light when they want something but turn into nasty narcissistic, emotionally hurtful people when they don't get their way. Over the years we have endured really nasty, horrible, behaviour but we have bumped along. It is no secret she sees herself as very important, and in charge of her mum and younger brother, my DH. I have put up with it and/or let them get on with it. They never contact me direct, my kids are seen as an extension of my husband. They have direct lines to my DH and managed to force my kids when they were young into giving their direct numbers out. So they do not need to communicate with me.

I always try to be pleasant, I host Christmas and Easter for them and often have them around to stay. I always send nice messages and cards and try to keep the peace and try not to let their not so nice behaviour affect me. My MIL is needy and needs to speak to my DH 3 times a day and see him once a week.

I can tell you a hundred stories where they have taken the p*ss. Or the hundreds of times they have been narcissistic, or the emails that they have written about me. The most hurtful from the MIL to DH saying something along the lines of 'tell your big-nosed, ugly wife to keep out of our family affairs'. This was 2 weeks after I had nursed her for a week in my own home after her shoulder operation. (She did eventually apologise.) Many Christmas's I have hosted and put them up and watch as they give presents to one another but not me depending on how I have unknowingly slighted them. (I know, I sound like a child but it hurts, I lost my parents many years ago.)

Anyhow, you get the drift. The SIL is always controlling the dynamics and stirs up problems between DH and MIL and myself. I tend to put up and shut up as they are DH family and for all their faults he loves them, but her interference is a bug bear of mine.

Anyhow, last Easter, we were all together at DH extended family that he hasn't seen for years. SIL was talking loudly about her tattoos and how she wanted more, and the conversation turned to all the people there who had tattoos showing theirs and discussing how many and when and what they were going to get next etc. I didn't think much of it. Just tipsy talk etc. Both my DH and I don't have any, so just listened in.

Unbeknown to me, a month later, two days before the event, I found out SIL had contacted my autistic 17 year old directly and asked her what she wanted for her 18th, and of course, she said a tattoo, so SIL decided to make a day of it with prosecco (my DD hates prosecco) and booked in a double session for both of them to get tattoos done as a Aunt and Neice bonding session. Talk of matching tattoos was mentioned.

I found out quite by accident as I innocently asked why her Aunt hadn't got anything for my DD 18th and my DD told me what SIL intended to do. I asked my DD if her Dad knew, she told me no, it was a secret and admitted she was quite nervous about it all.

Well, I must admit, I was angry. I could not quite believe that SIL would actually organise a tattoo with an autistic 17 year old without running it past either parent first so I assumed that she had talked to my DH about it! My DH was out at the time and I could not get hold of him, so I sent a whatsapp to him, his sister and his mum saying I could not believe that no one had thought to run it past me.

I admit, the text probably came across a bit angry, but I don't think it was rude, It was directed at both DH and SIL. It said I could not believe that neither (DH or SIL) thought they didn't need to mention it to me, and that I had spent much time talking to DD about tattoos and piercings and how she should wait a few years, don't follow a fashion fad, think carefully, safety etc. etc. I expected a 'Oh sorry, I thought DD told you, or oh sorry I didn't think - will it be OK', or even a 'its my fault' from DH sort of response.

The short of the long is, SIL took offense and in typical gaslighting style said I was overreacting and blowing it out of proportion. She had spoken to her cousins, and I was there when they were all talking about their own tattoos (so that must be alright then) and how I now had made an unnecessary situation, and why the hell did I involve MIL? She removed herself from the chat and told my DH she does not want to see me anymore unless I apologise.

A few days later my DH had seen his mum and came back and said we need to make it better as its really bad. Against my better judgment I wrote a long letter apologising for the tone of the message. I then tried to explain that it wasn't just directed at her, it was also at my husband, and a whole lot of other, vulnerable stuff. Once again, I thought most normal people would come back and say 'you really upset me, but I get it thank you,' sort of thing. But she ignored it.

Since then we have seen her mum but not her, the SIL does not want anything to do with me and ignored my birthday. Inside I can't be bothered with it all anymore, but I know, for the sake of DH and MIL we should make up, my DS 21st is coming up, her birthday is coming up, a funeral is coming up and Christmas. I can't refuse to have her around at Christmas as that would mean she is on her own etc. Plus, DH has a love hate relationship with her. I get it, my older sister can be difficult, but she is still, my sister.

What do I do now? I feel like she owes me an apology now!, but I just don't want to bend again, this tattoo thing felt like the straw that broke the camels back. Am I overreacting, everyone I have spoken to says no, but...?

OP posts:
Watchkeys · 05/08/2024 17:37

Stop expecting people to be what they're not. These people are shit to you, and your husband has steadfastly refused to support you for years.

Decide what you want, and tell your husband you need his support.

What would he say?

DeclineandFall · 05/08/2024 17:46

Of course you're not overreacting. They sound vile, your DH sounds like a massive unsupportive coward. I have terrible inlaws and SIL is a raging narc. Best thing I ever did was eventually refuse to constantly be the better person and roll over every time they caused some sort of hideous drama. It took years but my life is infinitely better. Step away from them. Your DH needs to grow a pair and sort out the mess himself.

cupcaske123 · 05/08/2024 17:56

Does your husband's head loll around without a spine? You and his children are your husbands priority. He's been stabbing you in the back for years listening to his family slag you off.

There's no way I would have sent that letter. Sounds like your text was a long time coming and she deserved it. I wouldn't bother with any of them and I'd give your husband short shift.

As for family gatherings, just be polite and breezy. No need for any drama. Your husband can sort out family gatherings his end.

Motnight · 05/08/2024 18:00

Watchkeys · 05/08/2024 17:37

Stop expecting people to be what they're not. These people are shit to you, and your husband has steadfastly refused to support you for years.

Decide what you want, and tell your husband you need his support.

What would he say?

First response has nailed it.

Ponderingwindow · 05/08/2024 18:01

i would not apologize. If a relative had pressured my ASD teen to get a tattoo I would be furious. The teen should not be nervous about getting a tattoo. If they are, they aren’t ready.

I would keep showing up to major family gatherings and making small talk when necessary. can make chit cat about the weather a few times a year with people I dislike in order to maintain a relationship with the family members I do enjoy.

Brefugee · 05/08/2024 18:06

just stop it all. Your DCs are probably old enough to decide if they want contact, if they don't they need to block their numbers.

Stop hosting them, don't do anything for them, that's now your DH job. He is not to tell you anything they say abut anything. If he insists that they are hosted at your place, you don't lift a finger, or you go elsewhere if you can bear it. Any of your DCs who want to be with you can do so.

After all this time why think they are going to accept you? Embrace your freedom

2chocolateoranges · 05/08/2024 18:07

You do not have to invite these people to your home . She sounds a bloody nightmare, there is not a chance she would be welcome in my home. Go low contact and have nothing to do with her.

stop being a people pleaser and be assertive . Looking after your own well-being instead of pleasing others.

Pallisers · 05/08/2024 18:23

The most hurtful from the MIL to DH saying something along the lines of 'tell your big-nosed, ugly wife to keep out of our family affairs'. This was 2 weeks after I had nursed her for a week in my own home after her shoulder operation.

That would have been the last time I'd have hosted anything or helped with anything. the very last. If asked I would say "But I'm not family". I'd show up to funerals or neutral get togethers and be polite but damned if I would host christmas for someone like that.

And as for an aunt suggesting to an 18 year old that she pays for a tattoo without running it past her parents! She must be very very thick.

They keep treating you like shit because they keep getting away with it. no blame on you - there is a lot we all would do to keep the peace but let this be your hill to die on. Tell your dh you have no intention of issuing one more apology to them and no intention of having his mother for christmas. If she comes, then he organises christmas and you'll be sitting with a glass of wine in the sitting room.

your dh needs to be more worried about your reaction than his mum or sisters and that has never been the case I'd guess.

SunshineAndFizz · 05/08/2024 18:24

They sound terrible and it's certainly NOT your place to apologise again.

To be honest it sounds like a blessing you don't have to be around her anymore, and you don't have to get on just for other people's sakes. Think of yourself for once. And the example you're setting to DD about not taking people's bad behaviour.

Leave it. Do nothing. Act normally. If anyone brings it up, calmly and politely say you've apologised and the next steps lie with SIL.

StrawberryWater · 05/08/2024 18:32

OP just stop already. Stop interacting with them, stop contacting them, stop running after them, stop inviting them into your home. They are all assholes. You are an adult and you don't have to put up with their shit. Just stop. Your life will be so much better for it. Trust me, I've been there.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 05/08/2024 18:35

@GilboBaggins I cant see anywhere whether or not your dh was aware of the tattoos being planned! did he know??? I would not be apologising for anything, no matter what dh says! I would never be hosting again at my house! they can fuck off to hell!!! Speak to your children without your dh there. see what they feel. they might actually want to block contact with their aunt!!!

Toastcrumbsinsofa · 05/08/2024 18:38

I would say the bitchy SIL has done you a huge favour. Don’t apologise and let your DH see his family on his own. Tell him you want nothing more to do with SIL. Never host them in your house again.

It’s important that your children get to see you standing up to family members who are toxic bullies.

Rhaidimiddim · 05/08/2024 18:39

SIL is weaponising your children. Start to put distance in place right now, before she has them on Team SIL joining in with abusing you. I can't believe you have let it get this far; and then, when your backbone started to grow, went and apologised.

wheo · 05/08/2024 18:41

Wow, how have you tolerated this for all these years??

They need to apologise to you and make it right. Your DH is pathetic and enmeshed and needs to stick up for his wife.

You need to really kick off here, go to war. This is your child!!!! Who cares about Christmas, why would you want to see them on Christmas anyway?

Fuck them all

Harvestfestivalknickers · 05/08/2024 18:46

Result!! You don't need to see her again. WOO HOO.
I can't believe you apologised after she demanded it. Why does everyone tip toe round her? You are your daughters mother, there's no way on earth she should have decided your daughter was having a tattoo without asking you and DH first. She seems to enjoy whipping up drama, then acting the victim and 'demanding an apology'. STOP. You're letting her walk all over you, she seems to enjoy pushing your buttons. You have the upper hand now, she's the one making demands. Just ignore the drama and distance yourself.

mumonthehill · 05/08/2024 18:47

Take a deep breath, look at yourself in the mirror and say I will not take this anymore, I deserve more. And then go and repeat to your husband.

SauviGone · 05/08/2024 18:49

Your husband has no spine whatsoever and you as good as lie on the floor and let them wipe dogshit off their shoes all over you.

What an example you’re both setting your children.

I would literally never text, speak to or allow these people in my home ever again.

Your DH is a total limp dipshit. Do yourself a favour and tell him to fuck off to his mum and sister for good.

amispeakingintongues · 05/08/2024 18:56

What on earth.

Just stop everything. Stop the visiting, hosting, letting them into your home, all the contact, any ounce of effort. Don't expect any apologies from the SIL of MIL because you won't get one and it wouldn't be sincere anyway.

If even one of those things happened to me it would make me want a divorce or at the least go no contact with the in laws forever. Stop being disrespected!!

However I do think you should demand an apology from your husband. He has been a total coward and you deserve better. Flowers

IggyAce · 05/08/2024 19:00

Sorry but you need to stop been a door mat, I’d honestly have nothing further to do with SIL.
Why are you hosting Christmas? Why are you sorting presents? I’d turn round and let your husband know that you are no longer hosting special occasions and that he is responsible for cards and gifts for his family.

crowsatemyslugpellets · 05/08/2024 19:00

Honestly? You sound like a doormat. Grow a backbone and stand up for yourself. Why in the hell would you write a letter of apology? Seriously stop being so wet and stand up for yourself.

Diarygirlqueen · 05/08/2024 19:04

I kept reading down, thinking she's going to start standing up to them, but no, you write a grovelling letter! You need to go on a self assertiveness course and gain some self esteem. These people are horrible and your husband is a very weak man. Stand up for yourself, you can do it!

Kelly51 · 05/08/2024 19:06

Why on earth is your DH allowing them to treat you like this? he should have your back, what a complete and utter spineless excuse of a man.

SuncreamAndIceCream · 05/08/2024 19:10

You're not in the wrong

Except to be a bloody doormat to these awful people

SIL would never be welcome in my house again

Stop trying - they don't like you, appreciate you or respect you. Your DH should be giving them rockets about how they have treated his wife. Any decent man should have laid down the law years ago

Opentooffers · 05/08/2024 19:14

Are you saying your DH knew about the tattoo idea and hid it from you too?
I think in that case you could of just taken it up with him not your SIL and MIL, knowing already how they can be.
You have as much a DH problem, he doesn't back you up.
I don't see why you need to invite her for Xmas if she's refusing to speak to you still then. It would just give her opportunity to turn your invite down.

RedHelenB · 05/08/2024 19:18

No need to say anything. It wax a present for your dd becoming an adult. Nothing to do with you.

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