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Long Suffering SIL troubles.

53 replies

GilboBaggins · 05/08/2024 17:32

What should I do?

I have been married to my DH for 25 years, I have been with him for 34! We got together when we were 18.

His mother and sister never really took to me. His sister is the worse, she is one year older than DH and me, bossy, noisy, nosey, single, controlling, a bully, manipulative, uses emotional blackmail and gaslights etc. etc. It is no secret in any other life we would not be friends.

Over the years I felt I had gained some respect, and they were beginning to like me. I am quiet, shy, an introvert, the opposite to their, loud, dramatic, extrovert-ism. I, in turn, was beginning to like them, but I am aware they are all sweetness and light when they want something but turn into nasty narcissistic, emotionally hurtful people when they don't get their way. Over the years we have endured really nasty, horrible, behaviour but we have bumped along. It is no secret she sees herself as very important, and in charge of her mum and younger brother, my DH. I have put up with it and/or let them get on with it. They never contact me direct, my kids are seen as an extension of my husband. They have direct lines to my DH and managed to force my kids when they were young into giving their direct numbers out. So they do not need to communicate with me.

I always try to be pleasant, I host Christmas and Easter for them and often have them around to stay. I always send nice messages and cards and try to keep the peace and try not to let their not so nice behaviour affect me. My MIL is needy and needs to speak to my DH 3 times a day and see him once a week.

I can tell you a hundred stories where they have taken the p*ss. Or the hundreds of times they have been narcissistic, or the emails that they have written about me. The most hurtful from the MIL to DH saying something along the lines of 'tell your big-nosed, ugly wife to keep out of our family affairs'. This was 2 weeks after I had nursed her for a week in my own home after her shoulder operation. (She did eventually apologise.) Many Christmas's I have hosted and put them up and watch as they give presents to one another but not me depending on how I have unknowingly slighted them. (I know, I sound like a child but it hurts, I lost my parents many years ago.)

Anyhow, you get the drift. The SIL is always controlling the dynamics and stirs up problems between DH and MIL and myself. I tend to put up and shut up as they are DH family and for all their faults he loves them, but her interference is a bug bear of mine.

Anyhow, last Easter, we were all together at DH extended family that he hasn't seen for years. SIL was talking loudly about her tattoos and how she wanted more, and the conversation turned to all the people there who had tattoos showing theirs and discussing how many and when and what they were going to get next etc. I didn't think much of it. Just tipsy talk etc. Both my DH and I don't have any, so just listened in.

Unbeknown to me, a month later, two days before the event, I found out SIL had contacted my autistic 17 year old directly and asked her what she wanted for her 18th, and of course, she said a tattoo, so SIL decided to make a day of it with prosecco (my DD hates prosecco) and booked in a double session for both of them to get tattoos done as a Aunt and Neice bonding session. Talk of matching tattoos was mentioned.

I found out quite by accident as I innocently asked why her Aunt hadn't got anything for my DD 18th and my DD told me what SIL intended to do. I asked my DD if her Dad knew, she told me no, it was a secret and admitted she was quite nervous about it all.

Well, I must admit, I was angry. I could not quite believe that SIL would actually organise a tattoo with an autistic 17 year old without running it past either parent first so I assumed that she had talked to my DH about it! My DH was out at the time and I could not get hold of him, so I sent a whatsapp to him, his sister and his mum saying I could not believe that no one had thought to run it past me.

I admit, the text probably came across a bit angry, but I don't think it was rude, It was directed at both DH and SIL. It said I could not believe that neither (DH or SIL) thought they didn't need to mention it to me, and that I had spent much time talking to DD about tattoos and piercings and how she should wait a few years, don't follow a fashion fad, think carefully, safety etc. etc. I expected a 'Oh sorry, I thought DD told you, or oh sorry I didn't think - will it be OK', or even a 'its my fault' from DH sort of response.

The short of the long is, SIL took offense and in typical gaslighting style said I was overreacting and blowing it out of proportion. She had spoken to her cousins, and I was there when they were all talking about their own tattoos (so that must be alright then) and how I now had made an unnecessary situation, and why the hell did I involve MIL? She removed herself from the chat and told my DH she does not want to see me anymore unless I apologise.

A few days later my DH had seen his mum and came back and said we need to make it better as its really bad. Against my better judgment I wrote a long letter apologising for the tone of the message. I then tried to explain that it wasn't just directed at her, it was also at my husband, and a whole lot of other, vulnerable stuff. Once again, I thought most normal people would come back and say 'you really upset me, but I get it thank you,' sort of thing. But she ignored it.

Since then we have seen her mum but not her, the SIL does not want anything to do with me and ignored my birthday. Inside I can't be bothered with it all anymore, but I know, for the sake of DH and MIL we should make up, my DS 21st is coming up, her birthday is coming up, a funeral is coming up and Christmas. I can't refuse to have her around at Christmas as that would mean she is on her own etc. Plus, DH has a love hate relationship with her. I get it, my older sister can be difficult, but she is still, my sister.

What do I do now? I feel like she owes me an apology now!, but I just don't want to bend again, this tattoo thing felt like the straw that broke the camels back. Am I overreacting, everyone I have spoken to says no, but...?

OP posts:
BubblePerm · 05/08/2024 19:22

No, this is a win. You don't have to see SIL anymore. You have tried over the years and she is still dreadful. If MIL doesn't like it and doesn't want to see you, that's just a bonus.
Your DH shouldn't be telling you that you need to make it better. He should be tearing SIL a new one. Tell him to stand up for you and grow a spine, and breathe a sigh of relief. They aren't your problem anymore.

Powderblue1 · 05/08/2024 19:23

That sounds awful. I would ask why you have continuously put yourself in these situations and also not expected your DH support? I have an awful MIL, after 15 years I've put clear boundaries in place. No Christmas together, no big days out (as she ruins them), no involuntary visits etc. I'm lucky my DH is supportive though as she is equally awful to him too. Only don't got MC as the SC adore her

Nazzywish · 05/08/2024 19:29

Stick up for yourself and stop being a walkover. Both you DH and family are taking the piss because you are allowing them too. Stop it and the issues will stop. Stop hosting them all when they hate you, you do it all for dh and what he can't think of what he needs to do for you first above his family. How it makes YOU feel. Wth OP. Set those boundaries and stick to them for once.

LookItsMeAgain · 05/08/2024 19:35

Firstly I am sorry that these people have been vile to you for so long. That said, it’s been long enough so time to find that shiny spine and stand up for yourself.
Stop apologising to these people for whatever slight they think you’ve caused them. Stop hosting these vile people. Not for Christmas, Easter, anything. Start going away for these times and book them so that it’s your DH & you going away.
They are no longer welcome in your home while you’re there. If your DH wants to stay in touch with them, he can meet them outside your home, or visit them. You no longer need to have anything to do with them.

Let this be your line in the sand moment and say to your DH that you’re tired of being spoken to and spoken about so horribly by them, for being gaslit by them and for letting them make you doubt yourself. It ends now. You meant no harm by your message and both Mil & Sil have blown it out of all proportion so, you are done.

BagginsBilbo · 05/08/2024 19:37

Thanks for the helpful responses, the personal abuse turn to myself is quite funny... I can take it. I am not wet, I am a diplomat and have been brought up to be polite and respectful and like to think that my reactions has been dignified and I have not been pulled down to their level. Perhaps it has gone on so long as we were basically children when we entered the dynamics.

Over the years I have learnt they are very damaged. Not an excuse for the dreadful behaviour, but a reason.

You are right, they don't deserve respect, but I did not want to be the one who years ago said f off. The SIL can be very polite and on first meeting everyone thinks she is wonderful. (unless she is in a bad mood.)

It has taken a while, because it has been bumping along ok, I don't get too involved because it did not effect me too much, but when it comes to my kids...

I can manage his mum, but the SIL is something else and is the constant dramatic stirrer.

Over the years I have distanced myself to keep the peace, hence the let them get on with it. However, the minute it effects the kids I am there.

I guess my problem is, I can't quite wholly let go because I don't want the kids seeing the inlaws without me, because that is what they have wanted from day dot. The perfect happy family without the wife, as they 'sadly' do not have there own lives. That thought REALLY p*sses me off. And this is where I need to think logically, not emotionally and need help.

I don't think cutting them both out is an option as much as I would like. I have had many conversations with DH that they are emotional abusers. Unfortunately, it is all he knew and growing up in that household he has learnt to be the quiet one that does not rise to provocation, understandable really. I cannot imagine what they would be like together. However, he now is recognising it and I am getting more emotional support that I ever did. But I don't think its fair to ask him to choose between his family or me, if he asked me to do the same, I would find that extremely difficult.

I have told him because of her response to my 'apology' the feeling is mutal and I do not want to see SIL either. It does not bother me, I have my own (sometimes difficult) sister that I love and I have a fab SIL through my brother. I'm not losing out by not having her in my life.

Here we are in stale mate.

I have had the conversation with the kids, we have fallen out. Aunt is not speaking to mum, and I am not going to try anymore, but if they want a relationship, they can, but not to do anything as a 'family' without me.

The main things coming up is my ex-FIL's funeral. (long divorced from MIL) I am happy to not go. I said my farewells in the hospital, plus I have had enough funerals for quite a while. DH does want to go, but is not devastated by his dad's death. SIL is. I guess DH and the DC are expected to go. Do I let them go, and I don't?

DS's 21st soon after. I am sure he and they want to celebrate.

Christmas, yes I will refuse from now on to host it again. But I guess we will need to see MIL at some point.

An no, DH did not know about the tattoo and couldn't beleive it either. I have no idea if he said anything to SIL, probably in a non confrontational way.

LookItsMeAgain · 05/08/2024 19:40

Name fail there?

Kelly51 · 05/08/2024 19:54

How can you be so fixated on these women and their horrible behaviour whilst ignoring its all came about because your so called DH has allowed them to treat you like shit??

GilboBaggins · 05/08/2024 19:57

LookItsMeAgain · 05/08/2024 19:40

Name fail there?

what do you mean?

OP posts:
Turophilic · 05/08/2024 19:59

Name change fail, @GilboBaggins @BagginsBilbo !

You just step back.

No need to say anything, discuss it with anyone, draw attention to it. You don’t invite them into your home, you don’t go to visit them.

DH doesn’t need to choose, he just needs to back you up in your decision not to engage. He can visit them as he wishes, have the same texts and phone calls. You’re free of all that now.

DS21’s birthday is surely a family celebration then out with his friends. His aunt has no part in that. If he wants to visit her, that’s great, good for him.

If they aren’t happy that you no longer host Christmas, they can invite one another over. Not your problem.

cupcaske123 · 05/08/2024 20:05

You haven't been polite OP, you've been a complete wet lettuce. Your idea of rising above it means staying put and acting like a punch bag for a crowd of bullies.

Your husband has been listening to his family slag you off yet you're concerned about him.

From your post your children are adults, I'm sure they can choose whether or not to see their family and don't need you chaperoning them.

As for the funeral, if your husband doesn't need your support, then don't go. Do something with your son for his 21st and let them organise what they want with him.

Just distance yourself from it all and tell your husband to stop listening to them badmouth you.

PaminaMozart · 05/08/2024 20:07

My MIL is needy and needs to speak to my DH 3 times a day and see him once a week.

I echo PPs comments. You need to step back completely, and your husband has to grow a spine. He has to stop taking her calls and see her no more than once a month, if that.

FloofPaws · 05/08/2024 20:11

These are manipulative narcissistic idiots. Never apologise again, they're bullies! Tell your daughter that her aunt is trying to upset you by her getting at tattoo (nasty bitchy thing to do to an ASD child )
Take a HUGE step back and enjoy your life with these arseholes out of it

BettyBardMacDonald · 05/08/2024 20:11

Turophilic · 05/08/2024 19:59

Name change fail, @GilboBaggins @BagginsBilbo !

You just step back.

No need to say anything, discuss it with anyone, draw attention to it. You don’t invite them into your home, you don’t go to visit them.

DH doesn’t need to choose, he just needs to back you up in your decision not to engage. He can visit them as he wishes, have the same texts and phone calls. You’re free of all that now.

DS21’s birthday is surely a family celebration then out with his friends. His aunt has no part in that. If he wants to visit her, that’s great, good for him.

If they aren’t happy that you no longer host Christmas, they can invite one another over. Not your problem.

Agree. No need to make any declaration that they can pounce on. Just quietly change your life.

Don't host. If they make assumptions, just say with quiet surprise "Oh no, we aren't hosting this year. I'm busy at work/planning a holiday/whatever."

21st birthday, just dinner with immediate family and then his friends. That's not abnormal. He's old enough to see his nan on his own if he feels like it.

Your DH is supremely unsupportive; have you considered counseling?

Beyond that, just drop the rope. Let them fade away. You are not in charge of making these people happy.

Slobberchops1 · 05/08/2024 20:17

Erm you can refuse to host them - sorry but you have put up this nonsense for 34 years . They can all fuck off , time to look after yourself. Stop doing stuff for them , take a step back no messages , cards whatever . DH deals with them from now on

Allie47 · 05/08/2024 20:19

Oh FFS stop being a doormat for these people, so what if SIL is alone for Christmas, why the fuck do you care, neither her or her awful mother are your responsibility. I'd refuse to see either of them again, and if your DH wants to host them he can but you shouldn't lift a finger to help. They will never change so cut them off and live your life. If DH doesn't like it he can go live with them 🤷‍♀️

luckylavender · 05/08/2024 20:22

Stop letting these people walk all over you

Arewethebadguys · 05/08/2024 20:31

Ffs have some self respect!!! Why are you letting these people treat you like a doormat?! Why do you think your feelings are less important than these people who show you such disrespect?

Genuine questions.

You also should question why your husband allows this situation - why is he asking you to make peace when you've done nothing wrong.

And finally, like fuck would I be hosting either of these women again, funerals/weddings/christenings I really wouldn't give af. Get some anger, find your voice OP and set some bloody firm boundaries!

PurpleDiva22 · 05/08/2024 20:38

Why on earth did you write a letter??? Misses the point of the thread.

I actually couldn't get angry about the tattoo thing though tbh. Your DD could go and get one on her own with no guardianship if she wanted. She was probably nervous you had found out about it!

But overall I echo what everyone else is saying. Let your DH visit them and call them if he wishes, if I was you I would take a massive step back!

britneyisfree · 05/08/2024 20:39

I don't think I've said this before but: give your head a wobble. Stop being a muppet and letting these people walk over you like this.

Mintypig · 05/08/2024 20:44

Please stop feeding into this circus. Why would you apologise to these awful people when they tried to go behind your back with your own kids ?!
tell DH he supports you, or he is out next . Why are you allowing yourself to be bullied like this for years and years without ever standing up to them or calling your dh to account.
their behaviour is completely unacceptable

UncharteredWaters · 05/08/2024 20:49

Enjoy having peace from her.

She’ll want to be there a Xmas and your kids birthdays so she’ll make a big play of ‘forgiving you’ just in time. Don’t fall for it.

Let her get on with it, she’s a cunt and a nasty one at that.

terriblyangryattimes · 05/08/2024 20:52

You definitely can (and should) not invite her round for Christmas anymore... Or any other event ever.

Rooroobear · 05/08/2024 20:58

Life is far too short for this. I would be making zero effort. Absolutely no way! You host Christmas and they get you nothing!? I’d have thrown them out. They treat you like dirt. Stand up for yourself and if they don’t like it it’s tough!

SD1978 · 05/08/2024 21:10

Your husband is the one to blame here, for never actually having any respect or support for his wife. He has allowed them to bully you for years and never stood up for you? Fuck that. I don't see why you need to have anything to do with them, or apologise. I wouldn't, and I'd expect an apology from the SIL before she was ever allowed in my house again

justasking111 · 05/08/2024 21:29

16 years ago I went NC with narc mum. There were phone calls until Sky blocked her. Then letters binned unread by me.

It's very peaceful. I was 50 before I finally cut her off

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