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Refuge or not

44 replies

Haif7 · 12/07/2024 16:51

Hi I’m not sure where to start as it’s all a mess

im in my 30s husband didn’t want third baby last year
i told him I would do anything and he made some points on his device and I signed it

one was that I would visit his family in the Middle East last October whilst 6m pregnant
I ended up not going as I changed my mind and heard horror stories about kids not returning . I Also said I eould
buy baby all his clothes toys equipment and I have

when I was 2m pregnant he plays me a recording he had taken on his phone of us discussing to have a baby 2m prior where I said I would visit his family. He said it’s so that I can’t say I never said that….

now he says I tricked him and lied to him and I was never going to the Middle East ..

since baby was born 6m ago he hasn’t been emotionally supportive

-joked about my epistiotomy

-when I tell him how I haven’t had a full night sleep in 6m he says “it’s not a competition”

-when I say I’m tired he says “why did you want a baby then”

-Telling people that I’m making him do “everything “ around the house which isn’t true
yesterday I asked if he would scrub a small section of kitchen floor and he said no as he had worked from home and I said “your a horribleperson”

and he said he would tell our couples counsellor on me

-when I ask him to check baby car seat belt a few times as he’s been known in the past to not tighten it properly he raised his voice and told me “stop talking”

telling me that “men’s bodies are different “ when I want him to wake at night with baby more

he’s on the sofa last 6m as he snores but sometimes I bring baby to him at night so I can try to rest and he called me “rude and disgusting “ and told me to take the sofa and he’ll go up with the baby

i told him he made the sink dirty few hours after I cleaned it and he should maintain it and he stormed off and demanded an apology as he was hanging out with the kids.
he then said I had to “kneel” to him

Later changed the story to say he meant I have to be “humble”

later changed it to “I have to sit next to him as I had been stood”

-when he used the cars touch screen while driving I said it’s not safe and there’s probably a law about it and again he shuts down the conversation and says there isn’t any law and that he’s a good driver . He also tapped google maps on the motorway when his phone was on his lap . he now refuses to drive me anywhere. I do drive but not on motorway. He knows that will affect me as we’re in a village and the kids like going to malls restaurants etc

•I had last minute second thoughts about taking baby to his circumscision appointment and he said “if you don’t go I’m not helping you on the holiday you booked”

•he says until I agree on a date to visit the Middle East I’m not going to be allowed to go anywhere else with the kids

he has sympathised with Hamas “they’re just defending their country” and said he would disown the kids if they married non Muslims

im a moderate Muslim myself but I was raised in the U.K. while he came on a spouse visa .

big regrets at bringing him ( arranged marriage!)
sometimes i ask him to do all the kids morning routine and he says im trying to “punish him”

told son that “no one respects his work” whdn son wanted ice cream van and husband had work to do at home

last 6m i have been telling all this to my health professionals and they have referred case to marac as I think he might try and take them to his country as he doesn’t full British culture

im nervous about this
I’ve been given an idva worker.

what has stopped me seeking help before is he has recordings of me from the past scratching him trying to get the phone off him when he was recording. he has hundreds of recordings from the last 6-8y he says he would show the kids when they’re older if I ever tell them he wasn’t a good dad.

last 2 days he has acted like a victim and when I ask him for simple
things and he doesn’t help me I get emotional and he starts saying I’m shouting where I’m not —- and starts recording

last week he went away to Turkey as my parents told him to give us space from all the bickering which is upsetting us and the kids
he doesn’t say where he went but it’s oblivious he enjoys keeping it secret

I don’t know whether I’ll get to go to a dispersed refuge as he knows I have a place to study in a city not far away
I want him to stay away from the kids he’s not empathetic about my sons autism

we own the house as tenants in common I dunno if I can sell it from a refuge ? Will the refuge agencies be able to send us to Scotland ?

his parents are due to visit from Iraq this summer and a refuge would mean they will not see the kids which makes me pleased as his parents are controlling

but denying him seeing his parents could mean he gets revenge on me later asking for more of the house or whatever he plans

we own house as tenants in common his share on the deeds is 20%

he would like me to buy him out and do divorce on gov website

my mum says if I used nice words /had a feminine touch I could “ win him “ I’m autistic so come across as blunt most of the time

OP posts:
thedesigner · 12/07/2024 16:54

this sounds a truly truly vile environment for the poor children involved

it’s a relationship rotten to its very core

thedesigner · 12/07/2024 16:55

He wants to get a divorce op

so it’s over

he’s not threatening you

so no need for a refuge

thedesigner · 12/07/2024 16:55

his parents are due to visit from Iraq this summer and a refuge would mean they will not see the kids which makes me pleased as his parents are controlling

You sound rather appalling yourself

newname1234456 · 12/07/2024 17:00

you again why another thread, poor kids

cupcaske123 · 12/07/2024 17:03

Another thread OP?

StormingNorman · 12/07/2024 17:04

It sounds like you both openly want to divorce and you are making things worse by trying to force him into parenting a child he told you he didn’t want. The more you push this, the more he’s resisting. You just need to start the process of separating.

Haif7 · 12/07/2024 17:22

@StormingNorman he won’t leave until I give him his share of the house before starting the divorce . He doesn’t think we need solicitors.

theres a marac meeting next week as I told my health team his raised voice gives me palpitations

he says he raises his voice as I don’t ask nicely or I go on about stuff
but he takes the Mickey

not doing his chores in a reasonable time so. I have to say something

OP posts:
thedesigner · 12/07/2024 17:24

why do you have a health team?

oh op

this is depressing

two adults who should never have met
and really…. should never have had children either together or with anyone

cupcaske123 · 12/07/2024 17:30

Haif7 · 12/07/2024 17:22

@StormingNorman he won’t leave until I give him his share of the house before starting the divorce . He doesn’t think we need solicitors.

theres a marac meeting next week as I told my health team his raised voice gives me palpitations

he says he raises his voice as I don’t ask nicely or I go on about stuff
but he takes the Mickey

not doing his chores in a reasonable time so. I have to say something

OP a MARAC is held when there is severe risk. They're not held for having palpitations. I've read your posts and absolutely nothing suggests you are at severe risk of harm unless of course you haven't given the full picture. You also say you've got an IDVA and are going to a refuge. Yet nothing you've said suggests you're at risk of serious abuse.

I'm sorry you're going through such a tough time and your relationship is obviously difficult. Have you had legal advice and did you have a registered marriage? Your husband can't have your share of the house if you're married and he can't make you leave.

Don't make any decisions without speaking to a family law solicitor first to understand what you're entitled to.

Haif7 · 12/07/2024 21:22

@thedesigner if i get a Mesher order could I rent the house out

OP posts:
Doggymummar · 12/07/2024 21:24

I read this yesterday didn't I? Or am I hallucinating

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/07/2024 21:30

Doggymummar · 12/07/2024 21:24

I read this yesterday didn't I? Or am I hallucinating

No, you’re all good. She missed out the bit about training to be a doctor and worrying that evil mobile phone waves would harm the baby on this one.

MexicanChiWowWow · 12/07/2024 21:34

Haif7 · 12/07/2024 21:22

@thedesigner if i get a Mesher order could I rent the house out

No.

Normallynumb · 12/07/2024 22:33

There would not be a Marac meeting for raised voices.
What is the truth?

violetto · 12/07/2024 23:41

Oh good, this shitshow again!

JustAnotherHappyFatty · 13/07/2024 07:50

You again.

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 09:21

@cupcaske123 i agreed to visit his family in Iraq to have another baby but when i didn’t go he said im a liar and doesn’t let us visit other places abroad

and other things like i change my mind about an appointment due to anxiety and he threatened to not help me with childcare

raising his voice when i ask him to clean the sink that i had cleaned earlier, and storming off , demanding apologies
telling me to “kneel” to apologise then changing the story to say he meant I should humble myself

he doesn’t check doors at night and when I tell him he says “stop lecturing him”

said he would disown kids if they married non Muslims

and in general I’m worried he could take them to Iraq I have the passports

OP posts:
cupcaske123 · 13/07/2024 09:53

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 09:21

@cupcaske123 i agreed to visit his family in Iraq to have another baby but when i didn’t go he said im a liar and doesn’t let us visit other places abroad

and other things like i change my mind about an appointment due to anxiety and he threatened to not help me with childcare

raising his voice when i ask him to clean the sink that i had cleaned earlier, and storming off , demanding apologies
telling me to “kneel” to apologise then changing the story to say he meant I should humble myself

he doesn’t check doors at night and when I tell him he says “stop lecturing him”

said he would disown kids if they married non Muslims

and in general I’m worried he could take them to Iraq I have the passports

You need legal advice regarding him taking the children abroad. You also need legal advice regarding the house and other aspects of separation and divorce.

In the meantime I would check doors and windows are locked before bed and try to live separate lives until you decide what you want to do.

Refugenewbie · 13/07/2024 10:02

I think you're manipulating the system.
.
Where is your place to study medicine?

HÆLTHEPAIN · 13/07/2024 10:43

WHY did you bring another child into this?

SuncreamAndIceCream · 13/07/2024 10:46

If he's here on a spouse visa, if you get divorced, surely he's no longer allowed to stay?

That would solve your issues.

BobbyBiscuits · 13/07/2024 10:51

He sounds awful OP and you're right to leave him. Speak to a solicitor. Ignore anything he says from this point onwards.
I'm not sure about a refuge though, he clearly doesn't love you or care about you and doesn't pull his weight at home, but if he's not violent or threatening it might not be a refuge you actually need. Can you speak to women's aid?

Normallynumb · 13/07/2024 11:59

Again Why a Marac??
That is a big part of the story if it's true

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 13:16

@SuncreamAndIceCream hes British now unfortunately

I don’t know if they can revoke his citizenship as he isn’t open minded about many British culture values

he’s charming outside but inside he’s homophobic, sides with Hamas etc

were basically enemies under one roof

my options to go to a refuge and disappear from his life but sacrifice my university place

or privately rent near my university while he stays in our
home for free that makes me mad
house has been on market for a year without interest

or privately
rent in wales very far away —- health team said I don’t have to give him my address but that might make him drag any divorce or try to get a bigger % than on the deeds

his 20% is on the deeds

OP posts:
violetto · 13/07/2024 13:29

You're going round in circles Op. this whole situation is toxic. Stop wasting everyone's time!