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Refuge or not

44 replies

Haif7 · 12/07/2024 16:51

Hi I’m not sure where to start as it’s all a mess

im in my 30s husband didn’t want third baby last year
i told him I would do anything and he made some points on his device and I signed it

one was that I would visit his family in the Middle East last October whilst 6m pregnant
I ended up not going as I changed my mind and heard horror stories about kids not returning . I Also said I eould
buy baby all his clothes toys equipment and I have

when I was 2m pregnant he plays me a recording he had taken on his phone of us discussing to have a baby 2m prior where I said I would visit his family. He said it’s so that I can’t say I never said that….

now he says I tricked him and lied to him and I was never going to the Middle East ..

since baby was born 6m ago he hasn’t been emotionally supportive

-joked about my epistiotomy

-when I tell him how I haven’t had a full night sleep in 6m he says “it’s not a competition”

-when I say I’m tired he says “why did you want a baby then”

-Telling people that I’m making him do “everything “ around the house which isn’t true
yesterday I asked if he would scrub a small section of kitchen floor and he said no as he had worked from home and I said “your a horribleperson”

and he said he would tell our couples counsellor on me

-when I ask him to check baby car seat belt a few times as he’s been known in the past to not tighten it properly he raised his voice and told me “stop talking”

telling me that “men’s bodies are different “ when I want him to wake at night with baby more

he’s on the sofa last 6m as he snores but sometimes I bring baby to him at night so I can try to rest and he called me “rude and disgusting “ and told me to take the sofa and he’ll go up with the baby

i told him he made the sink dirty few hours after I cleaned it and he should maintain it and he stormed off and demanded an apology as he was hanging out with the kids.
he then said I had to “kneel” to him

Later changed the story to say he meant I have to be “humble”

later changed it to “I have to sit next to him as I had been stood”

-when he used the cars touch screen while driving I said it’s not safe and there’s probably a law about it and again he shuts down the conversation and says there isn’t any law and that he’s a good driver . He also tapped google maps on the motorway when his phone was on his lap . he now refuses to drive me anywhere. I do drive but not on motorway. He knows that will affect me as we’re in a village and the kids like going to malls restaurants etc

•I had last minute second thoughts about taking baby to his circumscision appointment and he said “if you don’t go I’m not helping you on the holiday you booked”

•he says until I agree on a date to visit the Middle East I’m not going to be allowed to go anywhere else with the kids

he has sympathised with Hamas “they’re just defending their country” and said he would disown the kids if they married non Muslims

im a moderate Muslim myself but I was raised in the U.K. while he came on a spouse visa .

big regrets at bringing him ( arranged marriage!)
sometimes i ask him to do all the kids morning routine and he says im trying to “punish him”

told son that “no one respects his work” whdn son wanted ice cream van and husband had work to do at home

last 6m i have been telling all this to my health professionals and they have referred case to marac as I think he might try and take them to his country as he doesn’t full British culture

im nervous about this
I’ve been given an idva worker.

what has stopped me seeking help before is he has recordings of me from the past scratching him trying to get the phone off him when he was recording. he has hundreds of recordings from the last 6-8y he says he would show the kids when they’re older if I ever tell them he wasn’t a good dad.

last 2 days he has acted like a victim and when I ask him for simple
things and he doesn’t help me I get emotional and he starts saying I’m shouting where I’m not —- and starts recording

last week he went away to Turkey as my parents told him to give us space from all the bickering which is upsetting us and the kids
he doesn’t say where he went but it’s oblivious he enjoys keeping it secret

I don’t know whether I’ll get to go to a dispersed refuge as he knows I have a place to study in a city not far away
I want him to stay away from the kids he’s not empathetic about my sons autism

we own the house as tenants in common I dunno if I can sell it from a refuge ? Will the refuge agencies be able to send us to Scotland ?

his parents are due to visit from Iraq this summer and a refuge would mean they will not see the kids which makes me pleased as his parents are controlling

but denying him seeing his parents could mean he gets revenge on me later asking for more of the house or whatever he plans

we own house as tenants in common his share on the deeds is 20%

he would like me to buy him out and do divorce on gov website

my mum says if I used nice words /had a feminine touch I could “ win him “ I’m autistic so come across as blunt most of the time

OP posts:
Haif7 · 13/07/2024 13:32

@Normallynumb health visitor decided he is controlling

he also told me
i shouldn’t wear shorts and I’ll be “judged” on judgement day

OP posts:
cupcaske123 · 13/07/2024 13:37

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 13:32

@Normallynumb health visitor decided he is controlling

he also told me
i shouldn’t wear shorts and I’ll be “judged” on judgement day

Your relationship has clearly broken down, there's no need to keep bringing up examples of him being unreasonable.

He won't have his citizenship revoked. You need legal advice OP before you decide anything. Do that on Monday. Write out all your questions and ask a family law solicitor who can guide you on the best way forward.

Unhappy8019 · 13/07/2024 13:37

Hope your OK may I pm

ItWorriesMeThisKindofThing · 13/07/2024 13:39

you need a prohibited steps order regarding the children - if you have an idva she will show you the steps to take.

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 13:57

@cupcaske123 I’ve had a few free
solictir calls

the best one wants £750 to Discuss the case further

husband thinks we just do everything on gov website and will be cheaper

I think solicitors just want money especially as they know I have savings . I want full custody.

there’s also occupation orders - that might make
him revengeful

he also said if I give him his 20% share before the divorce (£50k) he will leave

I just feel trapped

and with autism , ocd , anxiety and borderline disorder and post natal depression it’s too much

OP posts:
Haif7 · 13/07/2024 13:57

@Unhappy8019 ok

OP posts:
Unhappy8019 · 13/07/2024 14:01

Sent

cupcaske123 · 13/07/2024 14:05

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 13:57

@cupcaske123 I’ve had a few free
solictir calls

the best one wants £750 to Discuss the case further

husband thinks we just do everything on gov website and will be cheaper

I think solicitors just want money especially as they know I have savings . I want full custody.

there’s also occupation orders - that might make
him revengeful

he also said if I give him his 20% share before the divorce (£50k) he will leave

I just feel trapped

and with autism , ocd , anxiety and borderline disorder and post natal depression it’s too much

Can you make an appointment with your local citizens advice bureau?

Phone the Gingerbread helpline.

Try Rights of Women for free legal advice

You might find this useful for legal help:
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/legal-system/finding-free-or-affordable-legal-help/

Normallynumb · 13/07/2024 14:23

Wait until the Marac conference As the name suggests there will be agencies who will agree a plan to support you, including referral to agencies for you and DC. The police will attend.
I have been the subject of one( violent ex)

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 17:09

@Normallynumb I’m trying to grey rock him but it’s not working
he was making himself food and I pointed to a raw area of the chicken with my sponge and it touched the chicken slightly and he started recording me saying I was trying to make his
food dirty

OP posts:
MissMoneyFairy · 13/07/2024 17:13

Are you still at university studying medicine, can they help

Normallynumb · 13/07/2024 17:21

Recording you is just plain controlling
Sit tight until the conference and just interact with your DC

Iseeyoupekingduck · 13/07/2024 17:26

None of you sound great I feel for the children here.

Mitsky · 13/07/2024 17:26

You sound as awful as each other and I can’t believe you wanted to bring a third child into this situation. Honestly mumsnet blows my mind sometimes.

FloatyBoaty · 13/07/2024 17:31

But if he wants a divorce and you want a divorce surely the only thing you need to do is… divorce. Buy him out of his 20%, or see if your parents can buy him out if you can’t, and say goodbye? With regard the children being taken abroad, tbh it’s probably easier to stop him taking them once divorced as a) you’ll have the passports in a separate home and b) he’ll need your permission to travel with them.

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 19:56

@FloatyBoaty although 20% share is written in the deeds the amount he actually put is 12%.

yet he insists on 20% which will give him 50k

he says as he’s paid bills over the years and I didn’t which allowed me to accumulate savings and buy a bigger %.

OP posts:
MrsMoastyToasty · 13/07/2024 20:03

Is it a legal marriage or a religious marriage (I appreciate some religious marriages carry no legal clout in the UK).

M340 · 13/07/2024 20:15

This is Barbaric.

Why are you circumcising your children?
Why did you have another child with this abuser?
Why haven't you told the truth as to why you've got a marac?
Why haven't you started the divorce?
Why are you still there?

None of you seem capable of looking after children and providing a safe, loving home. Then you decide to add another child to the mix.

Leave, with your children. FFS put them first OP.
Also with your phone waves harming your children analogy, I really don't mean any offence, but it doesn't sound as if you're in the right state of mind to have the children. It's completely irrational and illogical.

Perhaps it's best if his parents are involved. Or at least some sensible 3rd party, to get the children out of this situation. What on earth are you doing! You sound incredibly naive. LEAVE. Why are arranged marriages still a thing is beyond me.

FloatyBoaty · 13/07/2024 20:35

Haif7 · 13/07/2024 19:56

@FloatyBoaty although 20% share is written in the deeds the amount he actually put is 12%.

yet he insists on 20% which will give him 50k

he says as he’s paid bills over the years and I didn’t which allowed me to accumulate savings and buy a bigger %.

It might not be fair, but isn’t the additional 8% a price worth paying for your safety, peace of mind, security… and worrying less about your kids? I get that it’s unfair, of course I don’t think any woman should ever be blackmailed, but I also don’t think (for me) those are things i could put a price on. For me, personally, I’d pay him the fuck off and divorce. But I appreciate that may not be right for you.

Also on a purely practical level, it’s probably cheaper to just buy him out, than it is to go through a messy divorce, sell and buy a new place, moving costs etc etc … I think the costs could quickly add up and you’d possibly lose out financially anyway?

^edited because posting quickly and not articulating particularly well.

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