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Was my relationship a complete lie?

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CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 10:35

I met my ex via online dating early 2019, we were both in our 40s, both divorced, we each had children.

First date, he was nice, but I didn’t feel any real connection. He, however, was gushing. He told me I was so beautiful, he felt a real connection and pursued me immediately after. I agreed to a second date and things just started to develop.

I had a very successful career, (beautiful) own home, car, big circle of friends, lots of interests. He was working as a sales assistant in a local furniture store, living with his mum, playing football, out drinking every weekend, acquaintances/drinking buddies but no true friends. Something akin to a 20 year old.

He was however charming, good looking, great body! He treated me as though I was the love of his life. The dates just kept rolling. I paid for most things, including meals out, weekends away.

He pushed to move in at about the 6 month mark, but I resisted and was clear I did not want it, I was not ready. Fast forward 6 months, covid hit, he moved in and lived with me for four years.

During covid, things worked. He was furloughed, spent the summer in the garden, sunbathing, while I worked. I enjoyed the company of him being there.

After 2 years of co-habiting, I asked if he would start contributing to some household finances. Not a lot, but something. I explained cost of living had gone up and also, I was concerned about him being with me for the right reasons. Was he only with me for a free life? He reacted badly, saying he couldn’t believe I could suggest such a thing, that he truly loved me and he wishes he could contribute financially, but he just didn’t have the money.

A year later, I broached the subject again, explaining I was starting to resent his lack of financial contribution. He looked at me in disgust and agreed to start contributing. Throughout the next 12 months, he paid approx. £800 in total towards living costs. (£800 for living costs, including food over 4 years (I had paid out for him on a few occasions during this time, approx. £2k to cover child maintenance etc when he was unable to work)).

I had a constant niggle that something wasn’t right and that there was something I didn’t know/he wasn’t telling me.

However aside from him not contributing financially and not including me in any of his family events (in five years, I met his children twice, his brother once and never met his sister; he was included in my whole life), we got along, walked together, hiked together, went out for meals. I loved his company (mostly). We were great doing something or nothing. Everybody that knew us thought we were perfect together. Made for each other. He was always truly attentive and made me (and everybody else) believe that I was the love of his life.

There were however ups and downs, lots of periods of not talking, he would leave for a night or two, with no communication. Upon his return, we would sweep things under the carpet and move on. On a few occasions, if we went out for drinks, he would leave me to walk home alone. On one occasion, we were staying away for the weekend, he was ready to leave the bar before me (I said, let me just finish my drink), he left me wandering the city with no phone/cash/cards, trying to find our hotel. When I finally found it – he wasn’t there, he was still out drinking.

Relationship aside, I had a lot going on with my son who, post-covid suffered school withdrawal, substance abuse, depression diagnosis, involvement with the police. This was incredibly stressful (and continues to be). My ex mostly supported me through this and was somebody to share some of the load with.

Earlier this year, I found messages from my ex to two girls approx. six months in to our relationship arranging to meet them for sex. I hit the roof and asked him to leave. There was no discussion, he just left. A week later he messaged to say “this is the hardest breakup ever”. We arranged to meet up to talk things through. He wouldn’t admit to sending the messages, he said he hadn’t even looked to see which messages I was referring to.

A few days later, I caved and asked him could we try again at our relationship. He said he was unsure, but would “try”. For two months, he cruelly played me. One minute all over me saying he loved me, I was his future, instigating intimacy. The next, completely cold and cruel. During this time, my son attempted suicide and my ex didn’t even ask if I was ok. My ex finally ended our relationship saying he was a shell of his previous self and couldn’t continue in the relationship. He chose a single room, in a shared house in the roughest part of town over me. Why did I allow him to treat me so coldly and cruelly during these two months?

Since the relationship ended, I have discovered he is many thousands in debt. Tens of debt recovery letters. Two CCJs. One from last year (he owed his ex girlfriend £12,000 that she apparently loaned him to pay off his credit card debt, two weeks before he met me!!!), with a court summons that he told me nothing about. I am worried baylifs will turn up to my home! I have been reassured that as nothing is in my name they cannot take anything even if they do.

I feel broken. Despite him not contributing financially and excluding me from his family, I thought we had a real connection and he truly loved me. Was it all a lie? I know there were many things wrong in this relationship, but why do I still miss him and want him back (we will never get back together, but I miss him). Was the whole relationship a lie and how do I get over him? I don’t think he was the person I thought he was! I feel embarrassed, upset, sad, fooled and foolish. Any advice?

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heldinadream · 06/07/2024 10:52

He is a manipulator and you need to heal and find your boundaries so you are less vulnerable @CraftyGreyFawn.
Honestly I would recommend getting some therapy.
Big hug. You trusted someone who was not, ultimately, trustworthy or on your side. It's a massive betrayal and it takes time to recover from. Take care of yourself.
Hope your son is OK.

GreyCarpet · 06/07/2024 10:52

Why on earth did you pay his child maintenance? If he was furloughed, he received money.

He tried it because he's a dick It happened because you allowed it to.

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:00

GreyCarpet · 06/07/2024 10:52

Why on earth did you pay his child maintenance? If he was furloughed, he received money.

He tried it because he's a dick It happened because you allowed it to.

GreyCarpet - harsh, but fair! The child maintenance wasn't during furlough - but that is besides the point. I think I am furious with myself for having allowed this to happen to me. I am usually such a strong person. How did he pull the wool over my eyes? I believed that he loved me!

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CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:02

heldinadream · 06/07/2024 10:52

He is a manipulator and you need to heal and find your boundaries so you are less vulnerable @CraftyGreyFawn.
Honestly I would recommend getting some therapy.
Big hug. You trusted someone who was not, ultimately, trustworthy or on your side. It's a massive betrayal and it takes time to recover from. Take care of yourself.
Hope your son is OK.

Thank you @heldinadream . Long journey ahead for my son, but he is getting there. It really is hard to accept that he was nothing but a manipulator. I pity the next person. I am the third that I know of!

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GreyCarpet · 06/07/2024 11:05

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:00

GreyCarpet - harsh, but fair! The child maintenance wasn't during furlough - but that is besides the point. I think I am furious with myself for having allowed this to happen to me. I am usually such a strong person. How did he pull the wool over my eyes? I believed that he loved me!

Because you wanted to beleive it was true.

That's not a criticism.

My son told me something he'd heard/read somewhere.

When you're wearing rose tinted glasses, the red flags just look like flags.

And that is so true!

GreyCarpet · 06/07/2024 11:06

A pp was right. It's time to get those boundaries sorted!

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:08

GreyCarpet · 06/07/2024 11:05

Because you wanted to beleive it was true.

That's not a criticism.

My son told me something he'd heard/read somewhere.

When you're wearing rose tinted glasses, the red flags just look like flags.

And that is so true!

That is completely accurate. Thank you. Your response in validating that his behaviour was wrong is very much needed. I have been feeling guilty in making him out to be a bad person, when he is not. He is! His behaviour is very, very wrong.

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Bleurfghjj · 06/07/2024 11:11

FREELOADER!

OP, I’m sure there were elements of your relationship that were real, but ultimately it sounds like a) the relationship was conditional upon him being a kept man and b) the guy’s a waster.

I know you feel sad now – it’s inevitable, he’s inveigled his way into the centre of your life and home – you wouldn’t be human if it didn’t feel difficult to extricate yourself from the emotional attachment you’re built with him. But now the way is cleared for something better, whether that’s another relationship or just the beginning of a new chapter free of dysfunction.

You’ll come back stronger and more purposeful.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/07/2024 11:14

Such men are master manipulators and many women are fooled by them. Do read this article by Dr Joe Carver detailed below

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/07/2024 11:17

https://drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/IdentifyingLosers.html

And yes your entire relationship was built on lies. You were targeted by him to abuse and use. He love bombed and mirrored you from the very early days. Get therapy for your trauma bond.

Untitled Document

https://drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/IdentifyingLosers.html

Bleurfghjj · 06/07/2024 11:20

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:02

Thank you @heldinadream . Long journey ahead for my son, but he is getting there. It really is hard to accept that he was nothing but a manipulator. I pity the next person. I am the third that I know of!

I think in a way there’s a positive from this. You’re a trusting person who did not imagine someone would be so cynical as to say they loved another person unless they did. You obviously have a strong inner foundation of trust and integrity, a genuine, clear-eyed relationship with the world and yourself and are not a game player. Probably why you have a large circle of friends and he doesn’t!

Take the lesson from this, but don’t give yourself a hard time for being taken in by someone who was trying very hard to manipulate.

Also don’t forget that covid played a big part here (so not BAU) and before that you were paying close attention to your instincts and treading carefully.

cupcaske123 · 06/07/2024 11:26

I feel broken. Despite him not contributing financially and excluding me from his family, I thought we had a real connection and he truly loved me. Was it all a lie? I know there were many things wrong in this relationship, but why do I still miss him and want him back (we will never get back together, but I miss him). Was the whole relationship a lie and how do I get over him? I don’t think he was the person I thought he was! I feel embarrassed, upset, sad, fooled and foolish. Any advice?*

I don't really know where to begin here. He let you pay for him entirely including all your dates. He sulked and wouldn't discuss his bad behaviour. He left you alone at night, vulnerable. He didn't include you with friends and family. He cheated twice that you know of. He contributed nothing to the relationship apart from a few sweet nothings. He's in mountains of debt. Did he contribute towards or see his children? I'm guessing no.

And you're asking if the relationship was a lie. People who love you don't take you for a complete and utter ride and treat you like dirt. I'm sorry that you got treated so badly but am wondering why your bar was so low and what happened to your agency in all this.

It seems like your idea of a good relationship is completely one sided, the other side making absolutely no effort whatsoever, who sponges as much as they can.

Have you ever considered therapy?

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:26

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/07/2024 11:17

https://drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/IdentifyingLosers.html

And yes your entire relationship was built on lies. You were targeted by him to abuse and use. He love bombed and mirrored you from the very early days. Get therapy for your trauma bond.

Thank you @AttilaTheMeerkat very interesting article. I only associate some of the characteristics with my ex, but as the article suggests, even a few are too many!

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RedHelenB · 06/07/2024 11:26

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:00

GreyCarpet - harsh, but fair! The child maintenance wasn't during furlough - but that is besides the point. I think I am furious with myself for having allowed this to happen to me. I am usually such a strong person. How did he pull the wool over my eyes? I believed that he loved me!

Even if you believed he loved you ( and only he knows the truth of that( the fact yoy chose to pay for him is down to you. Own your mistake amd learn from it.

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:28

Bleurfghjj · 06/07/2024 11:11

FREELOADER!

OP, I’m sure there were elements of your relationship that were real, but ultimately it sounds like a) the relationship was conditional upon him being a kept man and b) the guy’s a waster.

I know you feel sad now – it’s inevitable, he’s inveigled his way into the centre of your life and home – you wouldn’t be human if it didn’t feel difficult to extricate yourself from the emotional attachment you’re built with him. But now the way is cleared for something better, whether that’s another relationship or just the beginning of a new chapter free of dysfunction.

You’ll come back stronger and more purposeful.

Thank you @Bleurfghjj Freeloader and dysfunction sum it up sadly. I know have a long road of repair ahead, while he is loving lift looking for the next in line.

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Brandonsflowers · 06/07/2024 11:28

Oh OP, I feel so sorry for you reading this. Please try hard not to blame yourself. But you do need to do a lot of work on yourself and boundaries. Get therapy. Research codependency. Work on healing your inner child. All things I've had to do after my marriage ended.

I'm mid 40s and been OLD on and off for the last few months. In my experience it is full of men who just want someone they can freeload off. Men who are still living with their 'exs' ie wives. Who are very quick to tell me how wonderful I am and how they see a future with me. Who want me to be available all of the time. They just want the next pop up wife who they can move in with because the last one got sick of it. Or they're wanting an affair. The second they start coming on strong, I ditch them. Someone who can 'see a future with me' after two afternoons together is clearly not of sound mind.

halfpastten · 06/07/2024 11:33

OP you know now you have been manipulated. You probably knew at the time. He sounds like a narcissist too. In it all I'm left thinking: what about the kids? Any man with so little concern for providing for or including his children in his life is a waste of space. What about your son, what impact did watching this play out have on him? So what next? Focus on loving your son and giving him the attention you have squandered on the useless cock-lodger. Block him from every part of your life, he still thinks he can reel you in when you've suffered enough. Get a counsellor who specialises in detaching from narcissists and building your self-esteem so that you're not caught like this again. It's not easy and you have my sympathy for that. You will need consistent support for a long time, but if you take it seriously you can do it.

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:35

cupcaske123 · 06/07/2024 11:26

I feel broken. Despite him not contributing financially and excluding me from his family, I thought we had a real connection and he truly loved me. Was it all a lie? I know there were many things wrong in this relationship, but why do I still miss him and want him back (we will never get back together, but I miss him). Was the whole relationship a lie and how do I get over him? I don’t think he was the person I thought he was! I feel embarrassed, upset, sad, fooled and foolish. Any advice?*

I don't really know where to begin here. He let you pay for him entirely including all your dates. He sulked and wouldn't discuss his bad behaviour. He left you alone at night, vulnerable. He didn't include you with friends and family. He cheated twice that you know of. He contributed nothing to the relationship apart from a few sweet nothings. He's in mountains of debt. Did he contribute towards or see his children? I'm guessing no.

And you're asking if the relationship was a lie. People who love you don't take you for a complete and utter ride and treat you like dirt. I'm sorry that you got treated so badly but am wondering why your bar was so low and what happened to your agency in all this.

It seems like your idea of a good relationship is completely one sided, the other side making absolutely no effort whatsoever, who sponges as much as they can.

Have you ever considered therapy?

Blimey you lot are giving me some (needed) harsh home truths! @cupcaske123 you guess correctly - very limited contact with his children. At best 3 hours a week, on average a couple of times contact a month, sometimes a few months with no contact. I have had two sessions of therapy. I am guessing some of you are experienced in this area as you are summing up what has been said to me during the sessions. My therapist suggests he does not form emotional attachments. Not to partners or even his children (which is even worse). I don't know why my bar was/is so low. My best friend even called my mum three years in to my relationship to express how much she disliked my ex and didn't trust him and that he was excluding me from my social network. My mum thought I was happy and didn't mention it until the relationship ended. I need to work out why my bar is so low! It is worrying as the me in this relationship couldn't be further from the true me. Further worrying is that I thought I was in control in the relationship. When I was actually being completely controlled. A lot to unpack I fear.

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CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:41

halfpastten · 06/07/2024 11:33

OP you know now you have been manipulated. You probably knew at the time. He sounds like a narcissist too. In it all I'm left thinking: what about the kids? Any man with so little concern for providing for or including his children in his life is a waste of space. What about your son, what impact did watching this play out have on him? So what next? Focus on loving your son and giving him the attention you have squandered on the useless cock-lodger. Block him from every part of your life, he still thinks he can reel you in when you've suffered enough. Get a counsellor who specialises in detaching from narcissists and building your self-esteem so that you're not caught like this again. It's not easy and you have my sympathy for that. You will need consistent support for a long time, but if you take it seriously you can do it.

@halfpastten How are you all so switched on to this?! He is a negligent father to his own children (despite me trying to encourage him to have a proper relationship with them - opening my home to them etc). The one thing I cannot knock him for is how he treated my children. He was always kind, supportive and caring towards them. This was probably just an act, but one that my children and I believed. He is now firmly blocked. We will never have contact again. I am just so upset and angry that I am left with so much healing that is needed because of an utter waste of space.

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Opentooffers · 06/07/2024 11:41

Sorry but you have been a right mug. Probably because he lovebombed you. Anyone gushing over you at the start is a bad sign. That should give you the ick rather than making you feel good. You hopefully will learn from this. He sucked up to you so that you would fund him. You were his mealticket unfortunately.
Perhaps your self-esteem wasn't in a great state at the start which is why you fell for it all.

cupcaske123 · 06/07/2024 11:42

So he was isolating you as well, so much so that your friend called your mum.

OP there's a programme called the Freedom Programme it's run by an organisation called Women's Aid. I really suggest you look into it and do some reading on boundaries and red flags in relationships.

I'm glad to hear you're doing therapy.

lofthatch · 06/07/2024 14:40

Two things can be true at the same time OP. He used and manipulated you but he might also have had genuine feelings for you. But in the end, he probably couldn't handle the fact that you saw through him. I would bet good money that he'll move on to do the same thing to someone else.

Good to hear that your son is moving in the right direction. Flowers

SamW98 · 06/07/2024 15:04

Please read your OP back and see his if looks from an outsiders perspective. He’s absolutely manipulated and abused you.

He love bombed you and turned into a freeloading cocklodger in plain sight. He’s not even attempted to hide who he is - he was waving more red flags than a communist party rally.

Its pretty much a textbook narcissistic cycle - mirroring love bombing devalue and discard.

Please look into the freedom programme to help you understand why you couldn’t see what was in front of your eyes

GoAwayTiger · 06/07/2024 21:53

He probably thought it was a fair exchange...

He was charming, good looking and had a great body.

You have basically paid for a gigolo.

The warning signs were there from the beggining and you ignored them.

XChrome · 07/07/2024 02:29

CraftyGreyFawn · 06/07/2024 11:00

GreyCarpet - harsh, but fair! The child maintenance wasn't during furlough - but that is besides the point. I think I am furious with myself for having allowed this to happen to me. I am usually such a strong person. How did he pull the wool over my eyes? I believed that he loved me!

He is an expert manipulator, a con artist. He love bombed you. At least now you know that a man gushing over you and pushing for you to cohabitate early in the relationship is a red flag, so you know what to avoid. These guys know exactly how to get you to think they love you.