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Would this be a dealbreaker for you?

59 replies

chocopopsatbedtime · 01/07/2024 23:43

Divorced with teen DC, so is my Partner of 2.5 years. He has a good relationship with his ExW, I have met her and his kids as well as his wider family as his new partner.

DP and I have tried to approach this relationship differently and transparently. We both made communication mistakes in our marriages before and have talked through how we will be honest and open with each other. We've practiced this well so far and been close as a result but there are a few scenarios where I feel he is secretive just for the hell of being secretive.

DP is currently in the US having attended one of his DC graduation with his ExW and her new partner. I could not go because of work but was invited. He has been in contact with me regularly, sending pics, and I've been aware of his plans, as he has had to take several flights - one to new york for a work meeting before flying to oregon to meet DC, ExW and her partner for the graduation and then on to California for another work related meeting. When DP and I fly which we do a lot for work, we always notify each other of take off and landing. It's not a rule but we both do it a lot as a way of checking in. I have not been paying a huge amount of attention to his trip, as been busy with my own stuff (DP has actually been asking me to be in touch more and calling me during breaks,) however today we've had an exchange which has really bothered me.

Today DP left Oregon for California. I assumed he was taking a flight as I had asked him several times a few days ago, when was he "flying" and he had responded that he was "getting down there" on Monday. I asked specifically when his flight was twice, but I realised when I looked back on the whatsapps he had not replied specifically about it. I had asked because he was trying to plan something for the weekend for both of us and the day he returned would have a direct effect on when I could leave work and when I would make a booking for us.

He was checking in as usual today but there were some long gaps between correspondence. I responded to one message asking him what time his flight was again. He read it and there was a gap of about 3 hours and then he responded "I'm driving there now. Bad signal. Just stopped for a hike," and sent a picture of a remote location.

I said, I'm finding it a bit weird you didn't tell me this! I looked up the distance from where he was in Oregon to where he's going in California, and it's an 11 hour drive - he is essentially on a road trip with a rented car. He also would not have done an 11 hour trip alone, so I assumed then and there that he is with his exW and her partner. I said I was surprised he didn't tell me, but that it was none of my business what he did, and wished him well and to have fun. He then got quite defensive and said "why do you have a problem with me going on a hike? Can't I just go for a hike in peace?"

I said I have no problem with the hike! I just find it strange I knew every detail of your trip apart from this bit, and you are taking an 11-hour road trip, obviously with ExW, instead of a 2 hour plane ride. He responded "Honestly, I'm just making it up as I go," (which is really NOT true as he is a planner and he has been scheduled back-to-back with work and is also trying to schedule me in to go away this weekend and sort his flights back from california to do his meetings and return on time.) He then sent a pic of his DC, his ex wife and her partner under a cactus by the car.

I said listen if you just told me what you were doing, I wouldn't have cared, I just find it weird you didn't tell me you were on a road trip about it and now you're gaslighting me! And he wrote back "Will you stop! It's just a hike. Jeez."

AIBU to be upset about this and to feel gaslighted? He's not cheating on me, I know that. It's all quite innocuous. But for a relationship that is built on having no secrets, honest communication etc (a rule implemented by HIM) that's a pretty shady way to respond?

Sometimes I feel like secrecy is just ingrained in is being. Like he keeps some things under wraps for the sake of it. Like he would not reveal what he had for breakfast if he felt I was too interested in it.

OP posts:
MariaLuna · 01/07/2024 23:47

Sorry, your OP is far too long to read.

All I can say is go with your gut feeling/intuition.

Never lets you down.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 01/07/2024 23:48

He knows what he is doing.
There were multiple instances he could've told you and he's chosen to lie by omission essentially. And then to keep referring to the hole rather than the 2 day car trip...

Seems strange

Apileofballyhoo · 01/07/2024 23:48

Sounds like too much hard work if he is oddly secretive for no reason.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 01/07/2024 23:48

Like he would not reveal what he had for breakfast if he felt I was too interested in it.
I can't stand folk like that. Run run run!

sprigatito · 01/07/2024 23:50

I agree that he knows exactly what he's doing. He's managing you, keeping you off balance and at arm's length. He's a shifty fucker with a selfish nature, and I don't think there's any cure for that. Your gut is telling you that you can't trust him - don't ignore it.

alwaysmovingforwards · 01/07/2024 23:55

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 01/07/2024 23:48

Like he would not reveal what he had for breakfast if he felt I was too interested in it.
I can't stand folk like that. Run run run!

I’m the opposite.
A partner asking what I had for breakfast?!? Jeez, I’d encourage them to get a hobby or a pet or something to help pad out the day a bit more.

TeenLifeMum · 01/07/2024 23:59

I’d have an issue with him being miles away from home and deliberately withholding information.

Grendell · 01/07/2024 23:59

At the point he said, "I'm driving there now..." I would not have responded or just said Ok, sounds good, have fun - something neutral. I would not have challenged him in that moment via text.

He knows what he's doing. Try not to care so much.

Alicewinn · 02/07/2024 00:02

I honestly wouldn’t mind if my partner did this but it’s the hiding that’s weird

Inauthentic · 02/07/2024 00:03

How was his previous marriage?

Was his ex-wife overly jealous?
Or
Did he cheat on her?

What would annoy me more than "omitting truth" is the gaslighting behaviour afterwards.
If he apologised and said "sorry I should have mentioned earlier" that would be more acceptable.

"why do you have a problem with me going on a hike? Can't I just go for a hike in peace?"

He knows that a hike is not a problem and this looks like gaslighting which is always a red flag.

PrincessMee · 02/07/2024 00:27

If I'm reading this correctly this is the first time that something like this has popped up? It sounds to me as if he did maybe want to have a bit of a side trip like this but maybe realised it wouldn't go down well with you as you are waiting to plan something for both of you? Maybe he's not as happy with the level of comms that you agreed?

BaguetteLady · 02/07/2024 01:25

Are you sure that it's only his DC, his ExOH and her DP on the trip?

BettyBardMacDonald · 02/07/2024 01:57

"When DP and I fly which we do a lot for work, we always notify each other of take off and landing. It's not a rule but we both do it a lot as a way of checking in. "

Sorry but this is batshit.

Just let him have his time away.

XChrome · 02/07/2024 02:11

He lied to you. He was not driving to the airport and stopped for a hike. He's 11 hours away. The airport is more than 11 hours away? 🙄 He just didn't think you'd check the distance and catch the lie.

Lying sucks. Secrets sucks. Defensive, hostile reactions, especially when he is clearly in the wrong, suck. He sucks. He's not an honest person and won't admit he's in the wrong. Huge red flag.

XChrome · 02/07/2024 02:12

BaguetteLady · 02/07/2024 01:25

Are you sure that it's only his DC, his ExOH and her DP on the trip?

Good point. Why would he be secretive if everything is above board.

PlayingDevilsAdvocateisinteresting · 02/07/2024 04:14

BettyBardMacDonald · 02/07/2024 01:57

"When DP and I fly which we do a lot for work, we always notify each other of take off and landing. It's not a rule but we both do it a lot as a way of checking in. "

Sorry but this is batshit.

Just let him have his time away.

Who are you to call what they have both agreed on as being healthy for their relationship, batshit? Just because that is not what you and your DP do @BettyBardMacDonald, does not make their joint choices wrong.

The OP could just as easily call your relationship something rude and derogatory, but she hopefully knows that there are almost countless ways for couples to pursue their partnerships, some of which will last them a lifetime, others will have some rather big hiccups along the way, and sadly some will become unstuck no matter how hard both parties had tried to make it succeed...

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 02/07/2024 06:51

alwaysmovingforwards · 01/07/2024 23:55

I’m the opposite.
A partner asking what I had for breakfast?!? Jeez, I’d encourage them to get a hobby or a pet or something to help pad out the day a bit more.

You missed the point. It's the fact he alters what information he gives based on OPs interest. The breakfast thing was just an example but it could happen on the most important issues too.
It's a power play

SlopeT · 02/07/2024 06:55

alwaysmovingforwards · 01/07/2024 23:55

I’m the opposite.
A partner asking what I had for breakfast?!? Jeez, I’d encourage them to get a hobby or a pet or something to help pad out the day a bit more.

so would I.

Sounds all the too intense this.

PlayYourMusic · 02/07/2024 07:44

Some men like to make their partners feel a little bit uneasy, then make out like your are being too needy. It's like a game to them and makes them feel powerful.

Can you really be arsed with this? I couldn't.

Pumpkinpie1 · 02/07/2024 07:53

He’s asked OP to be in touch more during trip , but she’s been busy.
Now she’s engaging more he’s busy .
Is it tit for tat? No idea.
Personally when I go away it’s for a break and I would hate having to count for my every movement.
It does sound like they both need to talk , not sure if this is a mountain out of a molehill or something else

chocopopsatbedtime · 02/07/2024 08:53

Thank you for all replies.

It's both of our second times around. The relationship is built on good communication and not doing what we did before (main thing we both did in our marriages is not airing feelings, hiding things, allowing things to fester, not being transparent - we've talked about this a lot.)

Even though what he has done is completely innocuous (I honestly do not care if he's on a road trip, on a hike, or takes a flight) he chose to not be clear about it despite me asking. Also, we give each other tonnes of freedom and (I thought) have deep trust, so he is not in a situation where I am monitoring his movements. This has come to light because he has been asking me to organise something as a bookend to his trip and I have gone back over the conversation and realised that I have asked repeatedly about this leg of the journey (to understand timing) and he has been repeatedly unclear and omitting information about what, how and who.

Now when I raise it he is saying stuff like "I'm just playing it by ear." "I always change things around," "What's wrong with going on a hike?" as if I am the crazy one.

I know it may seem a really silly thing to be bothered about but I am honestly just really surprised at his reaction. This lovely man I have been with for 2.5 years who has insisted on clarity and transparency and been an excellent communicator all this time is suddenly gaslighting me.

I know that going into a long explanation of "you said this and then you did that. And this makes me feel..." is going to make me look even crazier, as he can then accuse me of monitoring him again. He's left me with the only choice which is ignoring it and ignoring him. Which takes us back to not honouring the very foundation of our relationship!

OP posts:
Julyshouldbesunny · 02/07/2024 09:05

Are you sure exw has taken her dp?

Vestigial · 02/07/2024 09:08

It wouldn’t bother me, but if it doesn’t work for you, it doesn’t work for you.

AnotherDelphinium · 02/07/2024 09:12

Julyshouldbesunny · 02/07/2024 09:05

Are you sure exw has taken her dp?

If she hasn’t then he’s done an awesome job of photoshopping them into a photo to send to OP!

OP, I’d leave communicating with him for now and write down everything, then have a sit down conversation about it all when you’re back. It feels like a lot of red flags and gaslighting though :-(

Desertislandparadise · 02/07/2024 09:16

It is not a silly thing to be bothered about, OP. Like you said, it's not about the hike, it's about his lies of omission.

He could have been upfront about his plans. Or even said he wanted to keep some details private. Instead he knowingly let you misunderstand his travel plans until finally forced into telling the truth.

That is lying through omission and would make me be very dubious of the state of the relationship. He sounds like a lot of hard work and gaslighting you is a red flag I wouldn't overlook.

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