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Guy in America messed me about

245 replies

Limerent1 · 20/06/2024 01:30

hi everyone. I went on holiday to USA a couple of months ago, met a great guy over there on tinder and had 3 dates with him in total - went no further than a kiss. Both early 30s, no kids. We clicked from the start and spent all the time laughing and having really good interesting conversations.

He’s kept in touch with me since I’ve been home in the UK, always hinting that he’d love for me to go over or vice versa but I don’t have any free time until September.

I randomly have an unexpected week off next week due to something else falling through, and some of my friends are going away on a break for a few days anyway so I said I’d join them but it’s pretty expensive. When I was chatting to the American (we don’t speak daily btw) I brought it up and out of interest had a look at flights to USA return and they were £450 which I thought was reasonable, considering I’d be staying with him. We agreed I’d come over for the Long weekend in question, 4 nights in total.

I told him repeatedly I was in 2 minds as another girl who was suppose to go away with my friends had dropped out and I could have her place but I’d need to let them know asap as someone else wanted to go also.

He was asking me if I’d ever consider moving to the USA, what was I looking for etc and I just told him I wanted to have a fun weekend and see what happens! No pressure. he asked me to let him know if I was going to come over asap.

the next morning, due to the time difference, he was still asleep but I chose to see him, so I booked the flights through a third party booking app which are non refundable. Didn’t think there was a chance of it changing considering It’s only next weekend. I sent him the confirmation and we both expressed we were excited! We messaged back and forth a bit on Saturday night and a little on Sunday.

I reminded him on Monday that he would need to book 2 days off work for when I am over and he was kinda vague about it. Then I didn’t hear from him Tuesday and today I’d had enough so I messaged him to ask if he had indeed booked the annual leave, and as I hadn’t heard from him I felt a bit vulnerable coming over alone all of a sudden and that I felt his energy had shifted.

his response “hey baby! I’m sorry I’ve been busy with work and have been under the weather. I’m finally feeling better, I was really excited to see you. But something happened with my family and I have to help them out financially. So I’m stretched a bit thin at the moment.’ I know you have the flight booked but now may not be the best time”

I told him I didn’t care really about doing anything expensive and would be happy to just chill with him at his apartment, but this didn’t seem to budge him.

I reminded I had let the space on my friends holiday go so now I couldn’t even join them, and if he wasn’t sure he should have said so on Friday! I also said the flights couldn’t be changed/refunded. He just kept apologising. When I pressed further, he said he is financially strapped until July 1st and he feels pressure from me!! I couldn’t believe it. He was so eager for me to come over last week. I asked if he’s just met someone else and he said absolutely not.

we got into a bit of a row and in the end he sent me half of the money back that I lost on the flight, but I’m still so gutted. Last Friday we were chatting about going to the beach for the weekend maybe and trying a restaurant near his that he thought I’d like.

We really hit it off when we met, so I thought, and he’s gone to so much effort to text and FaceTime since I’ve been back - I can’t wrap my head around why he would change his tune so much just a few days after I booked my flight? Any opinions xx

OP posts:
vix3rd · 20/06/2024 10:23

Go anyway & use the money he's sent you for a cheap hotel & food.
Go and enjoy yourself.

Choochoo21 · 20/06/2024 10:33

You are coming on way too strong!

And gently, it’s coming across as a bit desperate which can be off putting as it feels suffocating.

There is absolutely no way I would let a man I’ve only met a couple of times stay with me for an entire weekend!

I don’t understand why you’d want to do this anyway.

Why not book a cheap hotel and then just meet up over there?
Spending an entire weekend with someone you don’t know is a huge deal.

You are spending hundreds of pounds for a man you barely know and you’re choosing this man you’ve only met a couple of times over friends that you know and care about.

Spending hundreds of pounds to just have sex with someone is actually insane.

Go away with your friends and find a man closer.
Perhaps in the future you may decide that living in America is right for you and then you can go back on tinder and find someone.

SamW98 · 20/06/2024 10:38

Choochoo21 · 20/06/2024 10:33

You are coming on way too strong!

And gently, it’s coming across as a bit desperate which can be off putting as it feels suffocating.

There is absolutely no way I would let a man I’ve only met a couple of times stay with me for an entire weekend!

I don’t understand why you’d want to do this anyway.

Why not book a cheap hotel and then just meet up over there?
Spending an entire weekend with someone you don’t know is a huge deal.

You are spending hundreds of pounds for a man you barely know and you’re choosing this man you’ve only met a couple of times over friends that you know and care about.

Spending hundreds of pounds to just have sex with someone is actually insane.

Go away with your friends and find a man closer.
Perhaps in the future you may decide that living in America is right for you and then you can go back on tinder and find someone.

Have to agree. Its far too much too soon for what was a holiday fling. If a man did this, I’d be getting psycho vibes tbh.

Lesson learned - never prioritise a man you’ve known 5 minutes over your friends.

Cardamomandlemons · 20/06/2024 10:43

You've now got flights to the US and 225 spending money, not a bad situation to be in.
It won't work out with the guy, but you can still have a nice vacation.

Clearinguptheclutter · 20/06/2024 10:54

I think he sees it as a holiday romance and is happy to keep chatting to you but clearly doesn’t see it as a serious prospect. Nor should you.

booking leave is def not as straightforward in the US as it is here. He’ll have loads less for starters

are you still considering going? I’d have low expectations if I were you though possibly some no strings attached fun

Roseyjane · 20/06/2024 11:01

Holiday romances are really best left that, bit stunned though you went on holiday and actually went on tinder. Were you alone. I’m genuinely stunned anyone would go on holiday looking to date.

AppleStruddle123 · 20/06/2024 11:15

Roseyjane · 20/06/2024 11:01

Holiday romances are really best left that, bit stunned though you went on holiday and actually went on tinder. Were you alone. I’m genuinely stunned anyone would go on holiday looking to date.

This!! Why Tinder when you’re not living in the country.

talk about making things complicated!! Before you ever start!

Id feel like someone was wasting my time if I met up with a guy from usa here in the U.K. while he’s on holiday.

And I agree no way would I stay at his place.

Have your own space!!!

OP you sound about 25. I hope you guys can work it out. He sounds very sweet that he’s paid all the money. A lot wouldn’t.

Ask him over to the U.K. at some point but the problem with long distance is that you’ll put your life on hold until he comes and blow him up into “the one” while you wait…

Long distance isn’t great!

SamW98 · 20/06/2024 11:19

Roseyjane · 20/06/2024 11:01

Holiday romances are really best left that, bit stunned though you went on holiday and actually went on tinder. Were you alone. I’m genuinely stunned anyone would go on holiday looking to date.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Grace_Millane

An extreme example but definitely a reminder to be very careful when using Tinder for a casual holiday fling miles from home.

Murder of Grace Millane - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Grace_Millane

lemmein · 20/06/2024 11:43

There's no way I would've given you half the money - amazed that he did!

TheShellBeach · 20/06/2024 11:44

TheBlueQuail · 20/06/2024 06:29

Cold feet, too soon. Leave it.

Why did you quote the whole of the OP?

Sossijiz · 20/06/2024 12:08

I wouldn't be entertaining a relationship with anyone who told me what to do with my annual leave.

BaguetteLady · 20/06/2024 12:22

WhatsRequiredNow · 20/06/2024 06:15

Perhaps he has just come to his senses and realised that an extreme long distance relationship just isn't feasible. He asked what your intentions were and whether you would move to America and you said you were just looking for fun. That's lovely, but perhaps he changed his mind and decided it was a lot of effort for fun.

I'm amazed he sent you half the money. I don't think he has lead you on - you chose to book the flight while he was asleep so you took the final choice away. You said he was vague about it etc but still chose to take the risk. I think you came on too strong.

This.
Some guys are actually dating for a relationship, not a fling.

TheTartfulLodger · 20/06/2024 12:27

Limerent1 · 20/06/2024 02:49

But we have been chatting since I got back! The money isn’t an issue for me, I can afford it and had a week off. I really don’t think it’s that much of a big deal to be spontaneous like this? Maybe it’s just me. Maybe I am mental then

Not mental, just way over keen for a guy you barely know but you don't want to hear that.

Idontjetwashthefucker · 20/06/2024 12:31

I think he was probably just playing along, probably didn't think you were actually going to book flights, played along with being excited but was already thinking how the fuck he was going to get out of it and then came up with that shit excuse rather than tell you he was married/in a relationship/not really interested

Chickpea17 · 20/06/2024 12:32

He's not that into you or he's in a relationship either way just move on.

Raiseyourglass24 · 20/06/2024 12:37

I think it’s a bit of fun to chat online with someone and talk about meeting up again one day but when you suddenly actually booked a flight it sounds like he panicked. It was too much too soon.

If you hadn’t booked the flight the chatting would probably have fizzled out within a few weeks which would be perfectly normal for a long distance thing.

SamW98 · 20/06/2024 12:38

Idontjetwashthefucker · 20/06/2024 12:31

I think he was probably just playing along, probably didn't think you were actually going to book flights, played along with being excited but was already thinking how the fuck he was going to get out of it and then came up with that shit excuse rather than tell you he was married/in a relationship/not really interested

I agree. He probably saw it as a holiday fling and a bit of fun flirtation afterwards with view it would fade out after a few weeks and they’d never see each other again.

I know the OP doesn’t seem to want to hear it but he was probably playing along with the fantasy and as shocked that she actually meant it and thought ‘shit how do I get out of this’

Hes been generous paying half the flight money - that’s the line in the sand to close this chapter and write it off as a holiday going. I think you’ve read far too much into this one OP.

BaguetteLady · 20/06/2024 12:43

Limerent1 · 20/06/2024 02:49

But we have been chatting since I got back! The money isn’t an issue for me, I can afford it and had a week off. I really don’t think it’s that much of a big deal to be spontaneous like this? Maybe it’s just me. Maybe I am mental then

One person's spontaneous is another person's inconvenience.

I once had a guy ask me to go ice skating that night. I wasn't able to join him, and his response was, "I guess you're not a spontaneous person, then."

!!!

Frogandfish · 20/06/2024 12:54

BaguetteLady · 20/06/2024 12:43

One person's spontaneous is another person's inconvenience.

I once had a guy ask me to go ice skating that night. I wasn't able to join him, and his response was, "I guess you're not a spontaneous person, then."

!!!

Well yes, agreed. Hosting a near stranger with a thick skin for 4 days with a (possibly genuine) family issue/ money shortage isn't that convenient. If it had been a love a first sight type thing maybe. Someone who was nice enough company for a few days but doesn't even know whether they would move in future when he apparently wouldn't. That and the AL issue would start to make this sound like a commitment I couldn't be arsed with. He's been honourable and paid half. He didn't have to. Have the trip yourself and enjoy it but stay off Tinder and consider what you could have done differently rather than blame him

Pinkbonbon · 20/06/2024 13:26

Just go yourself and have a fun trip. Plan some things in the area.

I'm assuming you've got a hotel/are staying with pals when you're there? Because if you were actually planning to stay at his, you've been very silly (It's one thing to plan a trip just to see this guy. Another entirely to go there with no hotel booked/safe space with long term friends).

Spontaneously is great bit you've kinda set yourself up here. I'm not surprised he cancelled as probably the majority of men would in those circumstance. Because even though you've said 'it's just fun', thry have in their head 'she's spending 450 quid to come see me after just 3 dates! Too.full.on'.

That's even assuming he's truly single.
And that you weren't planning on staying with him.

I wouldn't want someone I'd had a few dates with coming thinking they could stay in my home for a few days either. If that was the plan.

Busybeemumm · 20/06/2024 13:36

BiancaBlue · 20/06/2024 08:14

Only a desperate guy

A guy who desperately wants to be with you will make that happen. This guy just wasn't into the OP. Maybe he was and then for whatever reason changed his mind. He was decent enough to send half the money for the flight.

Busybeemumm · 20/06/2024 13:38

SheilaFentiman · 20/06/2024 08:11

That’s total crap.

It really isn't. There is lots written about this and I think even a whole book. Lots of time and energy and hurt can be saved by keeping this in mind.

Busybeemumm · 20/06/2024 13:48

Guys want to do the chasing at the end of the day and if he is being love bombed by someone asking him to take time off and booking flights out to see him etc it's not in his script. The pressure of being told that you chose to see him over a holiday with friends is off putting. Sorry OP, think of it as a bullet dodged and next time always choose your friends over a guy. LDR are not great anyway.

pandasorous · 20/06/2024 13:54

@Limerent1 OP in your place, I would put the 225 towards booking some accommodation and going over anyway. have a fun time by yourself. don't waste the trip and chalk it up as a lesson learnt

BaguetteLady · 20/06/2024 14:00

OP, I know you are out £225, but imo he was jolly decent to reimburse you for half the fare. It wasn't his fault that you booked a non-refundable flight, especially before firming everything up with him. Yet he took responsibility for your action. I really don't see him as a villain here.

PPs have suggested coming over anyway. Not sure if you are planning to do that, but of course if you do use the ticket having received £225 back from him, you will need to return that money to him.