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AIBU? - Toxic MIL

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TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 12:37

I’m a FTM (26) to my DS who is currently 8 weeks old. Me and BD (26) got pregnant and moved in together within a year and since then we have had nothing but trouble with MIL. Here’s a few examples:

Firstly, she did not want him to move down to my area (about 45 mins away) and couldn’t understand how this was fair on him. Baring in mind I will be on maternity leave for 9 months and wouldn’t know anybody where he lives. I felt like as a FTM I wanted to be close to home and especially my own mum. This would of just been to convenience her even though she drives and has a car. She messaged BD saying “There’s no point me building a relationship with the baby if you are moving down there”. She always tries to guilt trip BD and most of the time it does work. She’ll say things like “you’ve lost one parent, you don’t want to lose another” (BD’s father is deceased) and “you know my condition means I only have 2 years to live” (not sure how true this is but still). I just feel like these are manipulation tactics to control BD and get what she wants. Also, what kind of mother speaks to their child like this. You can tell that it has been going on for a long time as BD is like a nervous wreck around her - stutters and paces around (he’s even admitted he does this). He allows too much as he is afraid of losing her and with all of the arguments we have been having, he’s afraid of losing me too and having nothing left.

On one visit to MIL, I noticed a car seat up in one of the bedrooms. When I asked her what it was for, she said it was tor BD’s car. I couldn’t understand this as we lived together so we would only need one. Also, the car seat was unboxed. When I asked if the car seat was secondhand. She said no it was brand new…after being kept in someone’s attic for years. Guidlines recommend using a brand new car seat for safety reasons. We already had a brand new car seat which came with our pram and so I politely declined and explained why we would not be using a secondhand car seat for DS. I thought that was the end of that but found out she had been calling me “ungrateful” and saying that “nothing was ever good enough for me” behind my back. Forgot to mention the car seat was free and when my BD picked it up it practically fell apart.

During the birth of my DS, I had my BD and DM with me in the delivery room. MIL wanted to wait in the waiting room which I thought was a bit pointless. Anyway, I ended up being in labour way longer than expected (18 hours in total) so midwives suggested for BD to tell MIL to go home and rest as we still had a long time to go. Well she point blank refused and stayed for the full 18 hours. Found out later that she kicked off about being told to leave and threw her car keys at BD in the waiting room. Midwives even tried telling her and she threw a hissy fit. This happened on one of the most important days of mine and BD’s life, which shows how selfish and entitled she is.

During my DS’s birth, I tore a blood vessel which ended up in me losing 2.5L of blood. I was told that this could have been fatal. I spent 3 nights in hospital in recovery trying to navigate being a FTM. It was really hard and I only started feeling a bit better when I had two blood transfusions. However, MIL didn’t seem to care about me at all, all she cared about was seeing DS. She was practically begging BD to pop in to the hospital room for 5 minutes. She wasn’t my favourite person at the time and I was hooked up to everything (IV drips, catheter, heart monitors etc) so I said no that she’d have to wait. She sent BD a torrent of abuse over text and just showed a total disregard for my wellbeing. This was pretty much a running theme throughout the whole of my pregnancy so it didn’t really surprise me. I was pretty much finished with her after all of this and was just willing to be civil with her for BD’s sake.

When she did come and visit (the day after we got out of hospital) she picked DS up from a nap and wouldn’t give him to anyone. I had to practically wrestle with her to put my own DS in his car seat. I was hormonal, in pain and just so annoyed after everything that happened. She didn’t even ask me how I was feeling. I just felt like a human vessel which had carried her first grandchild.

For the first couple of weeks of DS’s life she visited every Friday for approx 3/4 hours. I’ll be honest I did not enjoy this time. I hated seeing her hold my baby. The last time she came to visit, she was having one last departing hold of my DS and I said “I’ll have (name) now so you can starting making a move”. Maybe this came accross as passive aggressive but at this point I actually didn’t care. Well, she got home and messaged BD saying how unwelcome I made her feel and that she was very upset. She also told BD that if she was to drive 45 minutes she would be staying for 3/4 hours every visit. I just feel like you don’t outstay your welcome in anybody’s home, especially not a home with a newborn. I tried to ring MIL to speak to her but she didn’t reply and instead continued sending messages to BD. Long story short BD rang her - she went on a huge rant saying how I’ve never wanted her to have a relationship with DS, that BD is a nervous wreck around me (pot calling the kettle black) and that I was “overfeeding” DS (HV had no concerns of his weight). I went ballistic, I snatched the phone from BD and told her if she ever thinks she’s stepping foot in my home again she has another thing coming and she will never have a relationship with my son. She is now saying that she will take us both to court for grandparent’s rights. I feel like she won’t have a leg to stand on if both me and BD have agreed to no contact so this doesn’t worry me at all.

Currently, DS is 8 weeks old and has had no contact with MIL since the fallout. I have absolutely no regrets but I still feeling like BD is pining for his mother. She has continuously told him how disgusted all of his family are of him and that he’s made his 80 year old grandmother cry with his actions. I’ve told him to ring his grandmother and explain what has been happening but he doesn’t want to upset her any further. I feel like he is used to the way she treats him and doesn’t know how to stand up for himself. I know BD is still in contact with MIL and recently I’ve found messages on his phone of her calling me a “narcissistic cow”, “vile and evil”, “a narcissist who plays god with a child’s life” and a “waste of oxygen”. I’ve already warned her to keep my name out of her mouth but I feel like we would all be happier going complete no contact. I can see that BD is defending me but I can’t understand why he wouldn’t block her out of his life for the sake of me and his DS. AIBU?

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ZekeZeke · 17/06/2024 13:52

You have a boyfriend problem. He shouldn't accept awful messages from his mother, end of.
However, I would agree if she is driving 45 minutes that it's a bit much to expect her to leave after an hour.
Re the delivery, it was okay for your mum to be there in the actual delivery room but not your future MIL in the waiting room? Double standards imo. You HAVE treated her differently.

I would invite her up for lunch to see her grandchild. Wipe the slate clean. Extend an olive branch to her.

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 15:33

ZekeZeke · 17/06/2024 13:52

You have a boyfriend problem. He shouldn't accept awful messages from his mother, end of.
However, I would agree if she is driving 45 minutes that it's a bit much to expect her to leave after an hour.
Re the delivery, it was okay for your mum to be there in the actual delivery room but not your future MIL in the waiting room? Double standards imo. You HAVE treated her differently.

I would invite her up for lunch to see her grandchild. Wipe the slate clean. Extend an olive branch to her.

His problem is that he has been manipulated to continue his relationship with MIL through guilt. His mother shouldn’t be verbally abusing his partner and the mother of his child! And where in my post have I said that she was only allowed visit for an hour?

Treated her differently?! Of course I only wanted my BD and DM at the birth. They have supported me throughout my entire pregnancy and deserved to be there. She just wanted to have first dibs on seeing DS. She couldn’t care less about my wellbeing.

I can assure you I won’t be extending any olive branch until I at the very least, get a sincere apology from her.

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ZekeZeke · 17/06/2024 15:56

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 15:33

His problem is that he has been manipulated to continue his relationship with MIL through guilt. His mother shouldn’t be verbally abusing his partner and the mother of his child! And where in my post have I said that she was only allowed visit for an hour?

Treated her differently?! Of course I only wanted my BD and DM at the birth. They have supported me throughout my entire pregnancy and deserved to be there. She just wanted to have first dibs on seeing DS. She couldn’t care less about my wellbeing.

I can assure you I won’t be extending any olive branch until I at the very least, get a sincere apology from her.

Chill!
You were moaning about her overstaying her welcome.
You asked AIBU, I'm responding. Don't ask a question if you don't want to hear opinions.
It's your partners mother and your partners baby. YOU are alienating his mother.
I've already said she shouldn't be speaking badly of you, and your partner should pull her up.

What exactly do you want?

TheShellBeach · 17/06/2024 16:02

Probably best if you break the deadlock and be the better person.
Ring her up and ask her over.

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 16:12

TheShellBeach · 17/06/2024 16:02

Probably best if you break the deadlock and be the better person.
Ring her up and ask her over.

Would make for an easier life but I’m fed up of trying to be the better person. I’ve had to bite my tongue on so many occasions and try and be civil for the sake of BD and DS. But she continues to have a problem with the decisions we make and if things don’t go the way she wants them to go. So frustrating.

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Elmer83 · 17/06/2024 16:13

ZekeZeke · 17/06/2024 13:52

You have a boyfriend problem. He shouldn't accept awful messages from his mother, end of.
However, I would agree if she is driving 45 minutes that it's a bit much to expect her to leave after an hour.
Re the delivery, it was okay for your mum to be there in the actual delivery room but not your future MIL in the waiting room? Double standards imo. You HAVE treated her differently.

I would invite her up for lunch to see her grandchild. Wipe the slate clean. Extend an olive branch to her.

In all fairness I wouldn’t want my MIL in the delivery room, with my legs spread and pushing a baby out of there. Especially not one that seems to hate me!

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 16:19

ZekeZeke · 17/06/2024 15:56

Chill!
You were moaning about her overstaying her welcome.
You asked AIBU, I'm responding. Don't ask a question if you don't want to hear opinions.
It's your partners mother and your partners baby. YOU are alienating his mother.
I've already said she shouldn't be speaking badly of you, and your partner should pull her up.

What exactly do you want?

I do appreciate your opinion. I’m just at the end of my tether with it all. I understand it’s my partners mother but she treats him even worse than me. He’s just used to it. He’s told her not to speak about me like that but she continues to send him messages. I feel like the only way to stop her is to go no contact. It’s hard work. And honestly, I just want an easy life with my new baby. It’s already a stressful and overwhelming time.

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hopscotcher · 17/06/2024 16:36

She sounds overbearing (especially the messages she's sent) but, like your own mother, she's your child's grandma - perhaps she's desperate for a relationship with her grandchild, although not going about it very rationally at the moment.
It doesn't sound as if 'BD' particularly wants to go non-contact with his mother either. Why would he block her out of his life? I'm not sure this is something you can insist on. Would it be worth you being patient and focusing on what's right for your baby as you try to get to know all of them a bit better?

What, ideally, do you want to happen?

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 16:55

hopscotcher · 17/06/2024 16:36

She sounds overbearing (especially the messages she's sent) but, like your own mother, she's your child's grandma - perhaps she's desperate for a relationship with her grandchild, although not going about it very rationally at the moment.
It doesn't sound as if 'BD' particularly wants to go non-contact with his mother either. Why would he block her out of his life? I'm not sure this is something you can insist on. Would it be worth you being patient and focusing on what's right for your baby as you try to get to know all of them a bit better?

What, ideally, do you want to happen?

What gets to me is I know that my DM would never think of saying some of the stuff that MIL has said about me about my BD. Because she respects that he is my child’s father and wouldn’t want to jeopardise her relationship with DS.

Deep down I think BD (baby’s dad) doesn’t want to go no contact with his mother but understands why I would. I would never tell him to go no contact with her but I can’t tell whether I’m being unreasonable by expecting him to for the sake of our family. I just don’t know if I have it in me to be civil with someone who has expressed such hatred for me (whether that be in the heat of the moment). It would take a lot of time and sincere remorse which she doesn’t seem to be showing by the ongoing torrent of abuse she is sending over messages.

I honestly don’t know what I want to happen. Time will tell I suppose.

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longdistanceclaraclara · 17/06/2024 17:08

You lost me at BD before the wall of text.

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 17:24

longdistanceclaraclara · 17/06/2024 17:08

You lost me at BD before the wall of text.

Haha savage! I’ll be honest I didn’t know how to abbreviate boyfriend without it looking like best friend and I thought baby’s dad (BD) made it clear that we’re not married. My bad.

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Dawninglory · 17/06/2024 17:29

YANBU, she has been horrible from the start OP, probably because you have taken her DS away from her controlling cluches. He needs to Man up and call out her unreasonable behaviour, until then forgot it. She will start on your DS next, as he grows she'll start to whisper things in his ear against you. I would NEVER EVER leave him in her care. She is a Narc.

Leavingasinkingship · 17/06/2024 17:37

You want your partner to voluntarily sacrifice his relationship with his mum for you. That's not ok.

Yes his relationship with his mum may be difficult, she's still his mum and most adult children still have a pull to their parent, even if that parent has been emotionally abusive. He might not have a great parent but it's the only one he's got.

wishuponastarrr1 · 17/06/2024 17:44

I for one, do not think you are being unreasonable. She sounds like a nightmare and I can completely understand why you don't want to have contact with her. She sounds spiteful, overbearing and full on. Is there any way you can go no contact (which also includes the baby due to age) and your partner can continue to have contact with her? I really do empathise and know it's such a tricky situation to be in!

Porageeater · 17/06/2024 17:46

She sounds like a nightmare. You don’t have to see her if you don’t want to. You’ve got enough on your plate with a new baby. If your partner wants to have contact you could consider him visiting with the baby or meeting her somewhere but she will have to behave herself. I don’t think you need to rush to making this decision. Give yourself some time to get into a routine with the baby. Congratulations btw!

Beautifulbythebay · 17/06/2024 17:46

She has no rights. Remember that..
Tell your bf you don't want to hear any details of the texts he gets from his dm. Before we went full on nc with mil her name was banned from our house. Made for a happier relationship... Been over 9 years of sheer bliss.

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 17:47

Dawninglory · 17/06/2024 17:29

YANBU, she has been horrible from the start OP, probably because you have taken her DS away from her controlling cluches. He needs to Man up and call out her unreasonable behaviour, until then forgot it. She will start on your DS next, as he grows she'll start to whisper things in his ear against you. I would NEVER EVER leave him in her care. She is a Narc.

This control thing does make sense. When me and my partner were both still living at home and would visit each other at weekends, she loved having me as a “daughter”. I suppose it’s because we were under her roof and she could involve herself in our relationship. Ever since we’ve moved out and had our DS she has been nothing but a nightmare.

That is what I’m worried about. I would hate for her to poison my DS against me.

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ButtonsB · 17/06/2024 18:29

Yanbu.
Stop reading her toxic texts snd tell your boyfriend to stop showing you them.
He can keep his relationship with his mother private and see her at his house. His choice. But you have every right to refuse to see her or your son. She has zero rights. Forget about her and enjoy your baby. I wouldn't trust someone so unhinged around my baby. This is all because you took her boy away. As you are unmarried I hope the baby has YOUR surname.

whichwayisup · 17/06/2024 19:03

She sounds absolutely awful. Of course you wouldn't want her anywhere near the delivery suite. You are under no obligation to have any relationship with her at all. For her to put you under stress with a new born and do what she can to put your relationship under stress at such vulnerable time is just unforgivable. She's a mother and knows how delicate everything is in those first 6 months... Especially when you were so ill.

She's showing you who she is. Keep her away from you and if BD wants to maintain a relationship let him do it far away from you.

I also had a toxic nasty mil and took advice re being the better person blah deh blah... None of it worked because she was just a nasty nasty piece of work. Looking back I regret every minute I spent trying with her. Wish I'd cut her out as soon as I realised what type of women she was.

JurassicClark · 17/06/2024 19:03

You both sound a bit crazy, to be honest.

At least you have an excuse, you’re the mother of a newborn.

Of course she’s going to stay 3 or 4 hours on a visit with a 90 minute drive. “For the first two weeks she visited on Fridays”… mate, that’s two Fridays; it’s hardly a major imposition.

She’s been horrible about you, you clearly can’t stand her. That’s ok, you don’t have to.

However, she’s your boyfriend’s mother. He clearly does still want a relationship with her. Your feelings don’t enter into that relationship, just as her feelings about you are irrelevant to the relationship between your boyfriend and you.

Keep yourself separate, stop looking at his messages and winding yourself up. He can see her with the baby as your feeding schedule allows (if you’re breastfeeding) and you don’t have to engage with her at all.

whichwayisup · 17/06/2024 19:14

A 45 minute drive is nothing at all. Done plenty 45min drives for an hour's visit to a newborn family... It's not about the fekn visitor... It's about the mum... You go, ooh ahh and coo... Do some ironing/washing/hoovering if it's a close family member or friend and head out again. You aren't there for you... It's quite easy.... Everyone sane understands this...

OP you are not crazy. Not in the least. You sound stressed and that's just fucking awful of your horrible MIL. I mean that's who these horrible women are.... It's always always all about them and trust me.... No matter how much you give.... It will never ever be enough.

You are doing fine. You have a close mum. You've stood your ground. Surround yourself with people who love you and ignore this utter fruit loop until you are ready to deal with her level of bonkers.

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 19:24

JurassicClark · 17/06/2024 19:03

You both sound a bit crazy, to be honest.

At least you have an excuse, you’re the mother of a newborn.

Of course she’s going to stay 3 or 4 hours on a visit with a 90 minute drive. “For the first two weeks she visited on Fridays”… mate, that’s two Fridays; it’s hardly a major imposition.

She’s been horrible about you, you clearly can’t stand her. That’s ok, you don’t have to.

However, she’s your boyfriend’s mother. He clearly does still want a relationship with her. Your feelings don’t enter into that relationship, just as her feelings about you are irrelevant to the relationship between your boyfriend and you.

Keep yourself separate, stop looking at his messages and winding yourself up. He can see her with the baby as your feeding schedule allows (if you’re breastfeeding) and you don’t have to engage with her at all.

You say it’s hardly an imposition but it could be. Life’s unpredictable, especially with a newborn. You wouldn’t feel comfortable with someone inviting themselves into your home on a weekly basis. My own DM doesn’t invite herself over as she understands that some days we might not feel up to having any visitors. Whereas MIL would throw a fit if we weren’t free but then moan about only being able to visit for an hour or two. So can’t win really.

But yes you are right. I do need to keep myself separate and focus on DS.

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Its2024happynewyear · 17/06/2024 19:28

What does BD stand for?

TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 19:30

whichwayisup · 17/06/2024 19:14

A 45 minute drive is nothing at all. Done plenty 45min drives for an hour's visit to a newborn family... It's not about the fekn visitor... It's about the mum... You go, ooh ahh and coo... Do some ironing/washing/hoovering if it's a close family member or friend and head out again. You aren't there for you... It's quite easy.... Everyone sane understands this...

OP you are not crazy. Not in the least. You sound stressed and that's just fucking awful of your horrible MIL. I mean that's who these horrible women are.... It's always always all about them and trust me.... No matter how much you give.... It will never ever be enough.

You are doing fine. You have a close mum. You've stood your ground. Surround yourself with people who love you and ignore this utter fruit loop until you are ready to deal with her level of bonkers.

Exactly! When my DM visits she offers to put a load of washing on or give the house a quick hoover and then has a cuddle. MIL comes over to swoon of DS (understandably as he’s a cutie) and post pictures on FB. Then she has the cheek to go home and message my partner on how I made her feel unwelcome.

After everything she’s said and done I thought a couple of hours every Friday was more than generous but still no pleasing the woman.

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TallGal92 · 17/06/2024 19:31

Its2024happynewyear · 17/06/2024 19:28

What does BD stand for?

Baby’s dad (we are together but not married) didn’t want to say BF in case it was confused with best friend. Oops.

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