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Toxic mother in law

50 replies

TheCheeseThief · 26/05/2024 11:18

Just need some help calming down more than anything.

Been with my DH for nearly two decades, we're happy together but his mum is another kettle of fish.

She's extremely toxic in her way of thinking & behaving.
She believes the world evolves around her and can get extremely jealous & create drama out of a empty room when it suits her. (Once created drama with a neighbour because they looked at her the wrong way, think a old version of Vicki pollard!)
Near all DHs family have disowned her, only two of her children left (the other hasn't spoken to her in years.)
Dhs sibling lives far away and has slowly distanced themselves more & more with the visits going from 5-6 times a year to maybe once a year at best.

The problem we have is that she lives near us, we fell out last year and we stopped speaking to us including dc for nearly a year over me stopping her using something of mine as she did not respect it and did thousands of pounds of damages and never offered to pay for them.
She also bad mouthed me to anyone who would listen also calling my friend out in the street and listing things I've apparently done in the past to her and calling me evil etc. I know this is true as I've never told my friend about any of that. Trying to turn my own friend against me!

She started to speak to us again at the end of last year and it's been very strained. I try and keep my distance as much as possible as she just says things to be hurtful.
I.e one of my grandparents passed away and she told me the other one will die in a few months (despite them being a very fit & healthy 80 year old!)

Now my issue is her birthday is coming up and she expects us to make a big song and dance out of it.
She ruined my birthday last year with the start of her kicking off and was really rude & nasty to me in front of my dc.
She ignored DC birthdays as she wasn't speaking to us.

DH sibling isn't coming and she said that they would have hell to pay for not making an effort.
We're skint, just moved over to Universal credit and it's half term my money is going on dc (and rightly so!) and I just know she's expecting us to take her to dinner & get her a big present and we just can't afford it and also me and DH don't really want to reward her bad behaviour.

Would it be wrong to just get her a card and explain we're skint? She always makes me nervous and anxious with the way she talks & behaves saying there will be hell to pay makes me believe she'll stop talking to us again (which isn't a bad thing!) but it got to the point my dc thought she had died last time (and now keep their distance from her themselves as they don't know if she's coming or going)

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ArmchairPhycologist · 26/05/2024 11:23

If you want to do anything then get the dc to make a card. If they want to. You don't need to tell her you're skint.

Bigsislookingforadvice · 26/05/2024 11:26

Money is the red herring here - regardless of money you aren't treated well so going forward just acknowledge the birthday, card from you and a little cake - cuppa and cake and leave her to it.

TheCheeseThief · 26/05/2024 11:33

Money is an issue as she thinks she should be treated all the time. She gets funny about money & gifts.
She once said we get more money than her and that it wasn't fair and should help her out with her bills & things yet she's a single person & we're a family. Also is expecting a £2000 present off DH sibling that she keeps tagging them online. 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Prawncow · 26/05/2024 11:34

It must be horrible waiting for the next explosion from her. From what you’ve described, she’s going to explode at you again over something. Unfortunately, there’s nothing you can do to avoid that - it’s who she is. If it isn’t over her birthday it will be over something else. Do what you’re comfortable with and can afford and don’t waste your time worrying about what you can’t control.

CannotWaitToBeFree · 26/05/2024 11:35

Does she have mental health issues? Make her a card and a £5 bunch of flowers. If she starts slagging you off, block her on everything. Her “mates” will think shes an ungrateful bitch. Leave her to it

TheCheeseThief · 26/05/2024 11:41

CannotWaitToBeFree · 26/05/2024 11:35

Does she have mental health issues? Make her a card and a £5 bunch of flowers. If she starts slagging you off, block her on everything. Her “mates” will think shes an ungrateful bitch. Leave her to it

She doesn't have any mates. Literately everyone has distanced themselves.

No mental health issues as far as I'm aware however she does keep saying that everyone has autism and that she does because she likes her tea in the same cup which is a bizarre thing to say.
She's just not a very nice person, she turned everyone on each other when people were talking to her and she explodes with rage on a by monthly basis. She's stormed out of my house slamming the front door at least a dozen times in a few years!

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FloofyBear · 26/05/2024 11:51

My MIL is like this, not the gifts etc, but toxic and narcissistic, honestly, I don't think you can do anything at all right. I'd bake a cake and get the kids to make cards - maybe your DH can visit her with the kids and you have a day to yourself!
Good luck

TheCheeseThief · 26/05/2024 11:52

FloofyBear · 26/05/2024 11:51

My MIL is like this, not the gifts etc, but toxic and narcissistic, honestly, I don't think you can do anything at all right. I'd bake a cake and get the kids to make cards - maybe your DH can visit her with the kids and you have a day to yourself!
Good luck

He won't he hates going round there, he actively avoids her when she's here!

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Fraaahnces · 26/05/2024 11:55

Get her a card if you really want to bother acknowledging her birthday but don’t explain yourself. No one owes anyone anything. (I would try and go as far away as I could on & around this date!)

DisforDarkChocolate · 26/05/2024 11:58

If your husband avoids her why are you seeing her? Why are you subjecting your children to her?

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 26/05/2024 11:59

DisforDarkChocolate · 26/05/2024 11:58

If your husband avoids her why are you seeing her? Why are you subjecting your children to her?

Yeah I really don't understand why you're persisting with her. She's his mum, take his lead.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/05/2024 12:00

I would not bother with getting her anything. You do not owe this woman anything and she's done more than enough harm to your family as it is.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/05/2024 12:02

Why have you bothered with her at all? She is your H's mother and he does not like her at all either.

She's targeted you because you've been the weak link here; she's used you to get back at what she regards as her errant son. You do not have to maintain contact of any sort with someone this disordered of thinking. Would you have tolerated what she has done here from a friend?.

StrawberryWater · 26/05/2024 12:04

You've put up with this woman for 2 decades!

I could only put up with mine for 4 years before I cut her off (DH is free to see her of course, I have no issue with that but even he eventually had enough). Awful, poisonous woman.

Just stop seeing her.

The only asshole you need in your life is your own.

TheCheeseThief · 26/05/2024 12:14

DisforDarkChocolate · 26/05/2024 11:58

If your husband avoids her why are you seeing her? Why are you subjecting your children to her?

Because she just walks in, I dont invite her round.

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Bonbon21 · 26/05/2024 12:18

Well she cant walk in if you lock the door!

Mammma91 · 26/05/2024 12:18

Keep your door locked so she doesn’t have open access (sad you have to do this) and a card is sufficient. My own mother is also a nightmare, been NC for about 6 months now. Much happier.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/05/2024 12:21

Lock the door behind you and or get your front door lock changed. She cannot keep on entering your home when she feels like imposing herself on you all.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/05/2024 12:22

You would not tolerate this from a friend, his mother is no different.

Anabella321 · 26/05/2024 12:26

Moving 5 hours away from my toxic late MIL was the best thing I ever did. DH visited her the bare minimum amount and I visited maybe twice a year.

There's no pleasing this woman. I wouldn't be doing anything for her birthday after how she behaved but that's up to you. But you should try to cut contact right down. Leave her to DH to deal with. If it's at all possible financially try to move away.

CherryBlossom321 · 26/05/2024 12:27

TheCheeseThief · 26/05/2024 12:14

Because she just walks in, I dont invite her round.

Start locking the door. Why are you maintaining contact with her?

TheCheeseThief · 26/05/2024 12:31

Because I was trying to be civil for dc & DH sake. DH knows if I never saw her again I wouldn't be at all bothered. She hasn't even apologised to me for her behaviour last year which DH is still raging about yet hasn't ever called her out on it?

I can only tolerate her for about a hour every fortnight, she's been behaved up to now it's only with her birthday coming out that the nasty comments are coming back up.

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Renamed · 26/05/2024 12:32

Why on earth get her anything? Your DH doesn’t want to see her, your DC don’t want to see her, why encourage her even the tiniest bit?

TheCheeseThief · 26/05/2024 12:35

Renamed · 26/05/2024 12:32

Why on earth get her anything? Your DH doesn’t want to see her, your DC don’t want to see her, why encourage her even the tiniest bit?

So get her nothing, let her fall out with us and enjoy the peace and quiet for the next forever long?
To be fair if does kick off with us and his sibling she's leaving herself with nobody so maybe she won't this time. It's just the unknowing I hate it she's given us the silent treatment at least 6 times in the years I've known her.

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Cantalever · 26/05/2024 12:41

Your DH needs to deal with this by telling her what your (yours and his) boundaries are. Why has he not tackled her over the way she has treated you and spoken bad untrue things about you? He should have your back, and tell her to get lost. As for him expecting you both to kow-tow to her birthday demands - what planet is he on? Tell him to grow a spine and stick up for you. What sort of example is he setting your DC when he allows you to be disrespected? As for her coming over, don't let her in - if you are there and DH is out, tell her frankly that you don't want to see her - she will know why.