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ToxicLadybird · 13/05/2024 11:10

I'm feeling so upset and so confused right now and desperately need some insight. I don't even know how to explain what's going on.

My husband is outwardly loving with me. Says the right things, does the right things etc. But increasingly he says things without thinking which, if believed, paint me in a really negative light. When I challenge him he'll admit it's not true and apologise. He seems to see it as just speaking without thinking and something he needs to control and stop. But to me it feels like it's bigger than that. That there's deep seated resentment or something that leaks out in unguarded moments.

Things like, I've recently undergone complex shoulder surgery. He's been helping me go to bed as some things I can't manage on my own. Now I can just about manage myself. Yesterday he commented that now he'll be able to get to bed at a decent time rather than being forced to stay up until I'm ready to sleep in order to help me. Prior to my accident I'd often go to bed much later than him. But when I challenged it, he admitted that it was false. That I had shifted to his schedule because I needed help. (I still need some help but now feel I can't ask because to me it comes across as resentful)

Or when he was painting the front window frames he dropped paint on the paving slabs. I told him to put some protection down because he was making a mess. He tells people that I was absolutely livid at him because of a few drops of paint. I was at worst mildly irritated. Again, when challenged he'll admit that his description isn't reflective of reality.

He does this mostly when talking to other people, especially women, about me. I just don't understand why he's doing this. Why he's acting so loving, caring and devoted to me but at the same time portraying me falsely as some sort of shrieking harridan.

I'm so sad.

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TealSapphire · 13/05/2024 11:13

It's cuntishness. Oh and he knows what he's doing.

TheCultureHusks · 13/05/2024 11:21

Don’t be sad. Be angry and give him consequences. He’s acting appallingly and if he wants to carry on like that, he’ll soon be alone.

Next time this happens, say nothing. Get home, pack a bag, and go to a friend’s or family or even just away to a premier inn. Wait for him to call wanting to know what the hell is going on. Then be calm.

‘What’s going on is that I now have a zero tolerance policy to what I’ve spoken to you about before now. This morning, to X, once again you lied about me and the situation at home re X, and deliberately made me look bad/aggressive/nasty. This has happened so many times now that I can no longer excuse it. You act as if you love me and we have a good relationship, but it’s clear that that’s an illusion. Your actions say instead that you don’t respect me, don’t love me, and clearly even enjoy putting me down and creating false narratives about me. It’s hideous, and I’m done. I don’t want to see you for now - I’m thinking about what my next step is. Don’t tell me you’re sorry. I don’t care - what I care about is the fact that if you were a good partner, this would never happen. You want to save your marriage? Think hard about why, then, why you do this, and tell me honestly. I’ll listen to that and we could maybe talk about what could be done. But this is happening no more, ever. I’m not accepting it.’

0sm0nthus · 13/05/2024 11:25

Caring for you makes him feel as if he is subordinating himself to you and that feels wrong to him because he sees you as a subordinate who should be serving his needs.

Putting you down to other people is the way of putting you back into the position of subordinate.

ToxicLadybird · 13/05/2024 11:29

TheCultureHusks · 13/05/2024 11:21

Don’t be sad. Be angry and give him consequences. He’s acting appallingly and if he wants to carry on like that, he’ll soon be alone.

Next time this happens, say nothing. Get home, pack a bag, and go to a friend’s or family or even just away to a premier inn. Wait for him to call wanting to know what the hell is going on. Then be calm.

‘What’s going on is that I now have a zero tolerance policy to what I’ve spoken to you about before now. This morning, to X, once again you lied about me and the situation at home re X, and deliberately made me look bad/aggressive/nasty. This has happened so many times now that I can no longer excuse it. You act as if you love me and we have a good relationship, but it’s clear that that’s an illusion. Your actions say instead that you don’t respect me, don’t love me, and clearly even enjoy putting me down and creating false narratives about me. It’s hideous, and I’m done. I don’t want to see you for now - I’m thinking about what my next step is. Don’t tell me you’re sorry. I don’t care - what I care about is the fact that if you were a good partner, this would never happen. You want to save your marriage? Think hard about why, then, why you do this, and tell me honestly. I’ll listen to that and we could maybe talk about what could be done. But this is happening no more, ever. I’m not accepting it.’

I actually thought about doing that this morning after he left for work. But sad fact is, I can't at the moment, I'm trapped. I need the adaptions that have been done. I'm physically incapable of being away from home for at least another 3 to 6 months, possibly more.

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TheCultureHusks · 13/05/2024 11:35

Well then OP, bide your time. And assess him. It’s likely that if your own behaviour changes and you pull away a bit as a result - if you start seeing him for what he is (a nasty little gaslighter who doesn’t have your back) and distance yourself a bit, he will probably sense it and pipe down a bit - be aware of that and wait for it!

He knows what he’s doing for sure. It’s quite simple- he isn’t a good partner. He doesn’t really love and respect you. He’s just dysfunctional- to him, the person he is with also represents someone he needs a sense of one-upmanship with. He needs to put you down a bit in front of other people as he thinks that makes him look good in some way. Better than you. The nice man with that awful wife, poor thing. He probably doesn’t even think very hard about it. It’s like a school bully or the nasty one in a friendship group who is always creating drama. Insecure people!

Of course that isn’t how it looks at all to the people he slags you off to - he looks nasty and petty and rather weird.

Keep watch, think hard and make moves when you are recovered. Also maybe confide in a friend?

TheCultureHusks · 13/05/2024 11:36

And if you don’t have children, I would not hesitate to leave - absolutely don’t even give him a chance.

0sm0nthus · 13/05/2024 11:52

I agree with @TheCultureHusks
I would be keeping careful notes and tracking the progression of his behavior. That might help you to be more detached about it.
Focus on your recovery, look for ways to make sure you get the help and support that you need. When you're strong enough make a decision and have a detailed plan ready to go if you decide to drop him.

ToxicLadybird · 13/05/2024 12:10

We have a 10 year old son. He has autism so I'm trying to take care of myself and take care of him.

I'm very sensitive right now. Partly because I am physically so vulnerable but also because I'm still recovering from the hurt an online friendship of his caused when it all came to light over Christmas. It was years of just chat, but full of this type of thing. She diagnosed me with some made up mental health condition based on his descriptions of me. Then years later undiagnosed our son and instead labelled me a bad parent seeking an excuse for my failures based on what he told her about me. He stopped the communication once the truth about the nastiness of it came out but clearly the underlying resentment is still alive and kicking.

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Olivia2495 · 13/05/2024 12:32

What a betrayal, I’m sorry that’s happened to you. I’d want him gone.

Is there anyone else who can support you?

Foxyaus · 13/05/2024 13:54

Is it possible that it's a sign of early onset dementia, or another neurological issue?

StrawberryWater · 13/05/2024 14:43

ToxicLadybird · 13/05/2024 12:10

We have a 10 year old son. He has autism so I'm trying to take care of myself and take care of him.

I'm very sensitive right now. Partly because I am physically so vulnerable but also because I'm still recovering from the hurt an online friendship of his caused when it all came to light over Christmas. It was years of just chat, but full of this type of thing. She diagnosed me with some made up mental health condition based on his descriptions of me. Then years later undiagnosed our son and instead labelled me a bad parent seeking an excuse for my failures based on what he told her about me. He stopped the communication once the truth about the nastiness of it came out but clearly the underlying resentment is still alive and kicking.

Oh so he's making you out to be the bad guy so when he wants to leave he's justified why in his own warped little head.

What a prick.

Get rid of him.

TheCultureHusks · 13/05/2024 14:48

ToxicLadybird · 13/05/2024 12:10

We have a 10 year old son. He has autism so I'm trying to take care of myself and take care of him.

I'm very sensitive right now. Partly because I am physically so vulnerable but also because I'm still recovering from the hurt an online friendship of his caused when it all came to light over Christmas. It was years of just chat, but full of this type of thing. She diagnosed me with some made up mental health condition based on his descriptions of me. Then years later undiagnosed our son and instead labelled me a bad parent seeking an excuse for my failures based on what he told her about me. He stopped the communication once the truth about the nastiness of it came out but clearly the underlying resentment is still alive and kicking.

Get rid OP. And yes, your son would be better off too

ToxicLadybird · 13/05/2024 15:50

Foxyaus · 13/05/2024 13:54

Is it possible that it's a sign of early onset dementia, or another neurological issue?

He recently got an autism diagnosis and has a ton of pent up anger from a lifetime of being failed by the system. He's expressed being very angry about how I dealt with my DD in her teenage years. She was an absolute nightmare and he narrates it as me doing nothing and letting her get away with everything. But again, when challenged acknowledges that I never let her get away with anything and handled things in a way which means she's now a well adjusted functioning adult. But he still holds onto that anger and resentment.

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