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Am I making DH's depression worse?

49 replies

Bingung · 29/04/2024 06:39

This has been a long time coming and I just want some outside perspective because I feel like I don't know which way is up anymore.
I am British and married my Indonesian DH 9 years ago after a very short time (we first met 7 months before getting married). We have lived in his hometown since then. I changed everything to be with him including my religion (actually no problems there, Islam has been a complete solace to me), I learned his language, customs, culture.. the way I dress, speak, eat, everything changed. I gave up a career that was just beginning to blossom, and, of course, my family now lives on the other side of the world. And that doesn't matter because we are a team and a lot of the personal changes have actually been for the better. He has had to put up with the immense stress that comes with making a marriage like this work, and we have a wonderful DD together.
Except, we aren't really a team.
Slowly over the last few years, DH has started drinking more. He goes out at night regularly, and doesn't come home until early morning. Often, he is drunk when he gets home and is miserable; he cries and hits himself and says that he wants to die. He also aggressively throws things around the house. If I try to comfort him he becomes aggressive towards me - not violent, just angry. If I pretend to be asleep (I know, it is awful that I do this, but the choice is between that and being berated, and sometimes I will be in DDs room when he gets home and I want to be there to comfort her if his temper wakes her up), he also gets mad at me because I 'don't care' about him. He has had accidents on his motorbike twice in the last few months because of drinking (yes, I have been angry with him about this, and no no one but DH has been hurt in either incident. His mother lives down the road and she won't say anything negative to him about his habits because she doesn't want him to get mad at her).
He regularly says that I should take DD and return to the UK. I always say that I want to stay with him because I love him.
We own a small business together, but the reality is that me and my brother in law do about 90% of the work. DH is a tour guide and gets work about once a month. So the business income is 'his income'. I am pretty sure that he is depressed. He gets angry about every little thing and sees every disappointment as the end of the world. In the past, he would go out of his way to help people, but now he becomes furious (with me, or by himself, never to them) at every little thing that is asked of him.
I work as a private English teacher, but my classes are regularly disrupted by his behaviour, so I am unable to make a good/regular income. Often I need to cancel classes last minute because he is too angry and the idea of having children come to our home is horrifying to me (DD stays close to me, or is sent out to play with friends at these times), or else he has done or said something to leave me feeling like a nervous wreck, so any class I have is pretty useless, or, occasionally he is working and there is no one to watch DD.
I always try to stay positive; I make a big deal out of any small success. And am always talking to him about how good things are now compared to a few years ago, and how much better everything will become. But he reacts to this very negatively, and I feel like he sabotages every good thing.
We do have a lot to look forward to. We rent our home, but his parents recently bought us a plot of land so that we can make our business larger and build our own home. I have been able to save up enough money for us to buy a small car, which will make things dramatically better for us, however he has so far refused to get a driving license, and I am worried about his drinking. It feels like a big risk to take.
DD loves him, and his family. She is seven years old and has begun to make comments about him not being very good to me, which is horrible to hear, but I also worry that maybe I have fed into that - I don't complain about him to her, or say anything negative, but I expect that she can feel my emotion.
I worry that if I leave his life will spiral, but I also feel like this has already begun and that I have just slowed it down. I worry about DD - how is this affecting her? If we leave, how will that affect her? Is it better to stay and hope for change, or leave and risk everything that that implies?
I do love DH, but I feel like my life is much harder with him around. When he goes away for work, I breathe a sigh or relief, and actively look forward to him going out in the evenings.
I am becoming more and more apathetic about everything. I don't feel like I can look forward to anything, because somehow he will ruin it. Am I making him like this by thinking that? Is it a self fulfiling prophesy? I feel bad that he is going through a tough time, but I am clearly not helping and want some advice. What would you do in this situation?
I have also struggled with depression for years, so this might be making things worse - I might be over sensitive to his negativity, or lack sensitivity because I have never acted how he does when depressed.
Where we live also means that mental health services are not available at all, no councelling, no therapy, no depression medication.. the best I could hope for is to ask for help from the Mosque and then have us shunned/ridiculed by the community.
Sorry this has been so long. I am just completely lost.

OP posts:
PineappleTime · 29/04/2024 06:43

Take your child and get out. This is a terrible life for you and her.

BelindaOkra · 29/04/2024 06:43

This sounds terrible. Awful for you, but very damaging for dd. He needs to either stop drinking or you need to leave.

travailtotravel · 29/04/2024 06:44

Honestly? Come home with DD. Easier said than done, maybe. But is this how you want the rest of your life to be? What you want your daughter to learn?

FlameTulip · 29/04/2024 06:45

Stop blaming yourself OP. Your husband is choosing to drink too much and be angry. He may be depressed, but depressed people do not have to be aggressive. He sounds awful and you need to protect your daughter.

kalokagathos · 29/04/2024 06:48

He mathematically must be depressed if he drinks. Drink is a depressive and stops production of happy hormones.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 29/04/2024 06:48

He doesn’t sound depressed - he’s a horrible and abusive drunk. Protect your daughter who clearly sees this and bring her home. Even his mother is scared of him, this is who he is.

hobbledyhoy · 29/04/2024 06:50

I think you're looking at this from the wrong angle, easy to do when you've had years of being ground down, but this is not about your behaviour - it's his.

I'm a firm believer that there is only so much you can do for other people, they need to help themselves which it sounds like he's unwilling to do.

Do you really want to sacrifice your and your dd's happiness, sanity and opportunity by living in this manner?

We can love people and do everything for them but they still remain troubled, sometimes you need to save yourself first.

category12 · 29/04/2024 06:53

Alcohol is a depressant and disinhibitor and will exacerbate his low mood.

Honestly I would consider his offer to let you and your dd leave. It's no way to bring up your dd, seeing this.

She deserves to see that women don't have to put up with being treated like this. You wouldn't want her to recreate this model of relationships in her own future, would you?

If he sorts himself out, then he can come get you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/04/2024 06:57

It’s not you, it’s him. He is a drunkard and is being dreadful to both you and your child. What do you want to teach her about relationships and what is she learning here?.

You cannot help him but you can and should help your own self and child here by removing yourselves from him. This is no life for you or your child. The only person who can help your husband is him, not you. Enabling him as you have done has not helped him or you because it’s only given you a false sense of control. Your life with him will spiral if you stay with him. All he cares about is him and his drinking and that is his primary relationship. He does not care about either you or his child.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/04/2024 06:58

You are not his rehab centre so do not act as one. Being a rescuer does not work as you are all too clearly seeing.

Codlingmoths · 29/04/2024 07:00

you save the people you can and the people who you have the most responsibility for- that’s you and your daughter. You’ve given this man years of your life, of choosing to fake sleep when he gets home so you get yelled at later or to stay awake to be yelled at, of everything you describe. Take your daughter and move back. Give her an amazing life where she is loved.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/04/2024 07:01

Indeed go back to the U.K. with your child and rebuild your lives.

BarrelOfOtters · 29/04/2024 07:08

If your family were close to you they’d see what was happening and support you in leaving.

you are afraid of his behaviour, his mother is too, do you want your daughter being afraid too?

hes an alcoholic waste of space who is dragging you down. Come home.

Bingung · 29/04/2024 07:30

Mentally I am making excuses. Maybe it's not that bad, maybe it will change, maybe maybe...
Realistically I am wondering how. I am not angry with him, and there has been no major incident.. how can I justify leaving now? Will DD hate me? Will DH? Should I stay in Indonesia for the sake of DD's relationship with DH's family? Will moving back to the UK be too big of a change for her?
Reading all the replies has been horrible. Particularly as my instinct is to think that I must have made things sound a certain way in the original post, but I have re-read it and it is just the truth.
DH is being pretty nice.. he has been chatty. He has a trip coming up at the beginning of May so he has something to look forward to.
My family are very close to me, but I stopped telling them about everything a long time ago as it was just causing them stress. They would love for me and DD to move back to the UK.
I know that I should leave.

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BeethovenNinth · 29/04/2024 07:33

I think you need out of this but surely you need to tread carefully in terms of taking the DD from the country. What are your PIL in law like? The nightmare situation would be you wanting to leave and being unable.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/04/2024 07:35

No your daughter will not hate you for leaving. By leaving you would be further protecting her from a far worse life with her drunkard father. His family are also afraid of him. Read about codependency and see how much of this is reflected in this relationship with your husband.

You have a choice re this man, she does not.

tryingsomethingnew · 29/04/2024 07:39

I'm not sure what advice to give you. I think other posters have said. For the time being, I would say try to keep life going- keep be positive for your daughter. Explain that daddy isn't well and you hope he'll be better soon. Can you take a trip to the Uk? See family, see how she feels about missing home? If she is far happier in the Uk- maybe it may give you some perspective

BarrelOfOtters · 29/04/2024 07:51

Maybe say you are going home for a visit and decide when you are home….

because if you say you are going forever he might try to guilt you into staying or, I’m sorry, but that is when abusive men are at their most dangerous if a woman tries to leave.

financialcareerstuff · 29/04/2024 08:00

OP, I'm sorry it's hard to read these things, but it takes courage to see the truth.

I think you have invested and sacrificed so much in the relationship, that it's maybe even harder to break free from this abuse than normal.. it's interesting that you tell us all about the cultural angle, moving country and changing yourself.... because actually none of that makes a difference to the right answer.

Regardless of where you are in the world, You are with a man who is abusive, a raging alcoholic, who treats you awfully and stops you from succeeding in life, who you need to protect your daughter from, who you can't bring children to the house because of, and who contributes virtually nothing emotionally or financially other than creating pain. .

The ONLY blessing I can see is that he is actually telling you to take DD and go home. The worse scenario would be if he was trying to trap you to stay - and it strikes me as not an impossible next step, as people like that normally want to control things.

If his suggestion is sincere that you can leave, I would advise you to do it right now.. and I hope he sticks to his willingness to support that.

It will be a transition for your DD... but she won't need to live in fear. And this kind of abuse tends to escalate.

Please go now.

Why is it, as women, we give up our entire lives. Do most of the work, create most of the financial contribution, tolerate abuse. While trying to protect our child, and STILL wonder if we are not doing enough?

You should feel angry, but you don't need to feel angry to leave , you just need to believe you and your daughter deserve to live a life without fear,

His mental state is his responsibility as an adult- and he's chosen to treat you like this, rather than fix it. Leave him to it.

tribpot · 29/04/2024 08:08

He has had to put up with the immense stress that comes with making a marriage like this work
Is that what he told you? As it seems as if you have changed every aspect of yourself to please him.

He regularly says that I should take DD and return to the UK
Yes, you should.

sometimes I will be in DDs room when he gets home and I want to be there to comfort her if his temper wakes her up
This is unacceptable (the fact that you have to do this, not the fact that you are doing it).

Often I need to cancel classes last minute because he is too angry and the idea of having children come to our home is horrifying to me
This is unacceptable.

He has had accidents on his motorbike twice in the last few months because of drinking
This is unacceptable.

My family are very close to me, but I stopped telling them about everything a long time ago as it was just causing them stress.
It was causing them stress because their daughter and grand-daughter are trapped thousands of miles away with a violent drunk who contributes nothing to family life. It would cause you immense stress if your daughter found herself in this situation as an adult.

Look at the lengths you are going to blame yourself for this - she is seven years old and has begun to make comments about him not being very good to me, which is horrible to hear, but I also worry that maybe I have fed into that - I don't complain about him to her, or say anything negative, but I expect that she can feel my emotion.

Sure - your daughter is making these (accurate) observations because she can 'feel your emotion', not because she has clear, daily evidence in front of her actual eyes. You are going to absurd lengths to avoid blaming your abuser for anything. It sounds like his mother does it too.

Take some of the money you have saved for a car to consult with a local lawyer about whether returning to the UK full-time is possible.

BarrelOfOtters · 29/04/2024 08:18

‘Take some of the money you have saved for a car to consult with a local lawyer about whether returning to the UK full-time is possible’.

Frankly if you go home for a visit and don’t go back there’s very little practically he can do about it.

AsMyGranWouldSay · 29/04/2024 08:27

As pp have said, you need to leave.

Time to protect your dd and yourself.

Don't doubt yourself, you know this isn't right.

And don't buy a car he could kill someone.

Bingung · 29/04/2024 08:34

As much as he sounds like it, DH isn't a monster - in order for DD to leave the country with me DH needs to sign a letter of permission, which he would definitely do.
We (me and DD) were recently back in the UK for 5 months (the longest that she has ever spent there and the first time since she was a baby that we have visited. It's how I managed to save up some money.
DD loved a lot of things about the UK, but she did miss her dad, grandmother (MIL) and uncle terribly.
It's not an excuse, but I don't think that DH does any of this to hurt us, and I believe that he does genuinely love us. We are just bad for each other - I have never been firm enough to stop any of his negative behaviour before it became a problem, and he needs a firm person.
I don't know how to begin the conversation with him.
Thank you for all of your replies. I'm going to make a change.

OP posts:
Bingung · 29/04/2024 08:35

AsMyGranWouldSay · 29/04/2024 08:27

As pp have said, you need to leave.

Time to protect your dd and yourself.

Don't doubt yourself, you know this isn't right.

And don't buy a car he could kill someone.

My Gran would have said the same thing too. Thank you.

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category12 · 29/04/2024 08:39

It's not an excuse, but I don't think that DH does any of this to hurt us, and I believe that he does genuinely love us.

Intention isn't magic, op.

Of course your dd loves her dad and his family, but it doesn't mean the living situation isn't damaging for her. (And she's not a telepath picking up your emotions, she's living in the same home, experiencing his behaviour.)