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Am I making DH's depression worse?

49 replies

Bingung · 29/04/2024 06:39

This has been a long time coming and I just want some outside perspective because I feel like I don't know which way is up anymore.
I am British and married my Indonesian DH 9 years ago after a very short time (we first met 7 months before getting married). We have lived in his hometown since then. I changed everything to be with him including my religion (actually no problems there, Islam has been a complete solace to me), I learned his language, customs, culture.. the way I dress, speak, eat, everything changed. I gave up a career that was just beginning to blossom, and, of course, my family now lives on the other side of the world. And that doesn't matter because we are a team and a lot of the personal changes have actually been for the better. He has had to put up with the immense stress that comes with making a marriage like this work, and we have a wonderful DD together.
Except, we aren't really a team.
Slowly over the last few years, DH has started drinking more. He goes out at night regularly, and doesn't come home until early morning. Often, he is drunk when he gets home and is miserable; he cries and hits himself and says that he wants to die. He also aggressively throws things around the house. If I try to comfort him he becomes aggressive towards me - not violent, just angry. If I pretend to be asleep (I know, it is awful that I do this, but the choice is between that and being berated, and sometimes I will be in DDs room when he gets home and I want to be there to comfort her if his temper wakes her up), he also gets mad at me because I 'don't care' about him. He has had accidents on his motorbike twice in the last few months because of drinking (yes, I have been angry with him about this, and no no one but DH has been hurt in either incident. His mother lives down the road and she won't say anything negative to him about his habits because she doesn't want him to get mad at her).
He regularly says that I should take DD and return to the UK. I always say that I want to stay with him because I love him.
We own a small business together, but the reality is that me and my brother in law do about 90% of the work. DH is a tour guide and gets work about once a month. So the business income is 'his income'. I am pretty sure that he is depressed. He gets angry about every little thing and sees every disappointment as the end of the world. In the past, he would go out of his way to help people, but now he becomes furious (with me, or by himself, never to them) at every little thing that is asked of him.
I work as a private English teacher, but my classes are regularly disrupted by his behaviour, so I am unable to make a good/regular income. Often I need to cancel classes last minute because he is too angry and the idea of having children come to our home is horrifying to me (DD stays close to me, or is sent out to play with friends at these times), or else he has done or said something to leave me feeling like a nervous wreck, so any class I have is pretty useless, or, occasionally he is working and there is no one to watch DD.
I always try to stay positive; I make a big deal out of any small success. And am always talking to him about how good things are now compared to a few years ago, and how much better everything will become. But he reacts to this very negatively, and I feel like he sabotages every good thing.
We do have a lot to look forward to. We rent our home, but his parents recently bought us a plot of land so that we can make our business larger and build our own home. I have been able to save up enough money for us to buy a small car, which will make things dramatically better for us, however he has so far refused to get a driving license, and I am worried about his drinking. It feels like a big risk to take.
DD loves him, and his family. She is seven years old and has begun to make comments about him not being very good to me, which is horrible to hear, but I also worry that maybe I have fed into that - I don't complain about him to her, or say anything negative, but I expect that she can feel my emotion.
I worry that if I leave his life will spiral, but I also feel like this has already begun and that I have just slowed it down. I worry about DD - how is this affecting her? If we leave, how will that affect her? Is it better to stay and hope for change, or leave and risk everything that that implies?
I do love DH, but I feel like my life is much harder with him around. When he goes away for work, I breathe a sigh or relief, and actively look forward to him going out in the evenings.
I am becoming more and more apathetic about everything. I don't feel like I can look forward to anything, because somehow he will ruin it. Am I making him like this by thinking that? Is it a self fulfiling prophesy? I feel bad that he is going through a tough time, but I am clearly not helping and want some advice. What would you do in this situation?
I have also struggled with depression for years, so this might be making things worse - I might be over sensitive to his negativity, or lack sensitivity because I have never acted how he does when depressed.
Where we live also means that mental health services are not available at all, no councelling, no therapy, no depression medication.. the best I could hope for is to ask for help from the Mosque and then have us shunned/ridiculed by the community.
Sorry this has been so long. I am just completely lost.

OP posts:
Codlingmoths · 29/04/2024 09:00

Bingung · 29/04/2024 08:34

As much as he sounds like it, DH isn't a monster - in order for DD to leave the country with me DH needs to sign a letter of permission, which he would definitely do.
We (me and DD) were recently back in the UK for 5 months (the longest that she has ever spent there and the first time since she was a baby that we have visited. It's how I managed to save up some money.
DD loved a lot of things about the UK, but she did miss her dad, grandmother (MIL) and uncle terribly.
It's not an excuse, but I don't think that DH does any of this to hurt us, and I believe that he does genuinely love us. We are just bad for each other - I have never been firm enough to stop any of his negative behaviour before it became a problem, and he needs a firm person.
I don't know how to begin the conversation with him.
Thank you for all of your replies. I'm going to make a change.

If a car hit you, the driver might be really sorry but you’d still be dead. Intentions are often less important than the actual impact, especially when it’s repeated or impacting a child. You have both here.

BarrelOfOtters · 29/04/2024 09:18

I don't think you are bad for each other. You might not be very compatible, but his behaviour, the drunkenness, the shouting, driving drunk are all him. Nothing to do with you.

You can keep modifying your behaviour to try and make him change, but it doesn't work like that does it? You become a shell of yourself and he carries on ... till the next time he does something that scares you.

It doesn't make him a bad man, but it makes him a man who can't control his behaviours reliably enough that you and your daughter can live a secure life.

financialcareerstuff · 29/04/2024 12:14

OP, I would keep the conversation super simple- "we would like to go for another extended stay to the UK. I was thinking in two weeks time. Can you sign the paper?".

I don't think you need to analyze the relationship or justify anything - especially since he let you go for five months before and suggested you go multiple times.

Keep it simple and get out of there.

I do believe he may love you guys and not be a monster. It's not about condemning or judging him. His intentions are actually irrelevant. What he does and what he might do, and the consequences of that are all that matters. His actions are deeply problematic, and you and your daughter need to not be a victim of those. Simple as that.

ColorfulHops · 29/04/2024 16:57

If you are willing to to give him a chance to fix things, tell him to stop drinking (he is a muslim anyway, he shouldnt be drinking!), rebuild himself back, and take his responsibility as a husband and father to heart.

Bingung · 30/04/2024 12:05

Small update: After reading all of the responses I went into massive denial and called my sister to 'get some sense.' Unfortunately (for my denial), she said that while she doesn't want to upset me, and feels awful for not telling me how she has felt about my relationship for years (she said that as I had never outright asked her, she didn't want to risk damaging our relationship - we live over 7000 miles from eachother, so I completely understand), she agrees that I need to get myself and DD out.
I have spent a few hours reading a lot of information about emotional abuse and separation, and I think I'm going to do it - because I have to.
I am currently sat with DD while she watches some rubbish on Netflix and I feel heartbroken for her.
Currently DH is being nice to me, but, as I have been reading, I now know that this is a normal tactic for emotional abusers. It has been coming back to me in flashes that I have actually tried to leave multiple times.. then he seems to change and I forget all about it. He even believes that my great aunt (who I am very close to, still) is dead, because that was a way to get him to agree to me and DD going to the UK 5 years ago. I'm not proud to have lied about that, but I honestly can't believe that I came back to him then.
He will be leaving for a 4 day work trip on Saturday, so I am planning for us to be gone when he gets back. I need to check paperwork stuff, but I am hoping that the form that he signed before we visited the UK recently can still be used.
I don't know how to talk to DD about this - I know what to say, I just don't know how I am going to do it. I obviously can't until DH has left on Saturday.
It's going to break her heart that we won't be living all together anymore, because regardless of DH's behaviour, he is her parent and all that she has ever known. And I know that staying is worse. I am worried about how my in laws will be affected by this, as they absolutely dote on DD, and the idea that she won't be living down the road anymore will be horrible for them. I also know that their feelings should not be my major concern, but I also know that DD will need to have continued contact with all of DH's immediate family for her own happiness.
I can't simply move us to somewhere else in the city where we live as DH would find us and bring us home. But returning to the UK feels like sticking a knife into DH and his family (DH has never had a UK visa application approved despite the UK govt not being able to give a clear reason for this, and changing their vague reasoning with every application) - it is like taking DD somewhere where they cannot reach her.
So that's where I am. On the verge of changing our lives forever and like a rabbit in the headlights.

OP posts:
BarrelOfOtters · 30/04/2024 12:11

Oh bless you, that is such a hard decision to make, I am so glad your sister has been supportive and also told you what she really thinks.

You don't have to tell your daughter anything yet, and there are ways and means of keeping in touch. She will want to know about her culture in the future, and hopefully she can, when she's older, go back and visit.

You need to be safe and happy and secure so your daughter can be too. That's the long and short of it.

The fact you had to lie to him to get to go away to the UK before says it all really. That's not a safe relationship.

You sound like you've got your head screwed on. Good luck.

category12 · 30/04/2024 12:18

regardless of DH's behaviour, he is her parent and all that she has ever known

Yes, children are hard-wired to love their parents, but it doesn't mean the parent is a good one. It's not unusual for a child to fawn over the abusive parent - it's a survival mechanism. Don't forget, she's also scared by him and noticing he treats you badly. She deserves a peaceful and emotionally safe home.

I'm glad you're steeling yourself to leave, I think it's the right thing to do for her.

TokyoSushi · 30/04/2024 12:35

Oh OP, you're doing really well and it's the right thing to do. You sound very sensible and like you're going to be just fine. Sending lots of luck to you and DD, she's very lucky to have you.

tribpot · 30/04/2024 13:13

I wouldn't say anything to DD or your in-laws, I'd make out like you've returned home again for some kind of family illness (shame the great-aunt 'died' 5 years ago, do you have another one?) - string it out for a while if you can. When you returned to the UK for 5 months recently you must have taken a lot of stuff with you, but I would maybe leave some things behind so it looks more likely that you're coming back.

Take some advice here to make sure you take the right legal steps.

Bingung · 26/05/2024 23:04

Update
Just in case anyone wondered what happened; I did it. I packed up a few essentials and brought DD back to the UK. We have been here for almost 3 weeks, and we are doing pretty well. DD is really enjoying school, and I am in therapy..! I have big plans for the future, and am eager to get on with life. Ex is in complete denial, and I am receiving a lot of manipulative messages from his family, but they have no power over me here. I feel at peace.
There are a lot of things that I need to get organised (job, place to live etc), but we are staying with my mum at the moment, and I have had some job interviews etc. Everything is in motion, it just needs time.
Wishing everyone a lovely half term, thank you to everyone who commented and helped me realise what I needed to do.

OP posts:
Frith2013 · 26/05/2024 23:38

Oh, well done, OP.

You've done the right thing.

Lighteningstrikes · 27/05/2024 00:07

Well done, you're a strong woman and a great example to your DD.
It must have been really hard, but you did it💐

OzziePopPop · 27/05/2024 00:39

Well done @Bingung you have absolutely done the right thing. Please don’t cave and go back, you will regret it. Good luck to you and your DD 💐🍭💐

SandyY2K · 27/05/2024 00:47

Excellent update.

Well done for taking this huge step. It's not easy when you have a child together, but you don't want her thinking that's how she should be treated in an adult relationship.

FlameTulip · 27/05/2024 06:21

OP, you have been very brave. Wishing lots of good things for you and DD.

Ridiculous24 · 27/05/2024 06:54

What a fantastic update! You have done the right thing! Keep us updated. Good luck!

category12 · 27/05/2024 07:40

Well done 👏

Orangepink75 · 27/05/2024 08:12

So pleased to hear this. Well done to you on taking this step. Good luck with the rest of your journey.

TwilightSkies · 27/05/2024 08:24

Omg OP! Best update ever! You are amazing!

user1499098214 · 27/05/2024 19:51

This is brilliant OP, so pleased for you and your daughter! The future is bright...

Well done!

financialcareerstuff · 01/06/2024 23:59

Fantastic news- well done OP! So proud of you and so glad it is going well!

You did a huge thing for yourself and your daughter !

Thanks so much for sharing your update!

LifeExperience · 02/06/2024 00:23

Wonderful! Enjoy your new life!

Dweetfidilove · 02/06/2024 06:59

When your own mother is afraid of you, you’re no longer a safe person for anyone.

As much as you love him, you must love yourself and your daughter more. Even he’s accepted your lives would be better without him, so please pack up and come home.

Dweetfidilove · 02/06/2024 07:00

Bingung · 26/05/2024 23:04

Update
Just in case anyone wondered what happened; I did it. I packed up a few essentials and brought DD back to the UK. We have been here for almost 3 weeks, and we are doing pretty well. DD is really enjoying school, and I am in therapy..! I have big plans for the future, and am eager to get on with life. Ex is in complete denial, and I am receiving a lot of manipulative messages from his family, but they have no power over me here. I feel at peace.
There are a lot of things that I need to get organised (job, place to live etc), but we are staying with my mum at the moment, and I have had some job interviews etc. Everything is in motion, it just needs time.
Wishing everyone a lovely half term, thank you to everyone who commented and helped me realise what I needed to do.

Ooops! Excellent news!

I'm so pleased for you and your daughter. Onwards and upwards 🥳

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