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People who lie their way into a relationship

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Bluebird987 · 18/04/2024 23:36

I’m one year out of something that I’m not sure I’ll ever get over. Just wanted to vent and to hear other people’s experiences about being with someone who didn’t present how they actually were, and whether the fallout crushed you as much.

To give some background. Before dating him:

I’d been single nearly a decade after a long term abusive relationship
I hadn’t felt interest in any man to want to kiss, touch, date someone.
knew him through mutual interests for a few years
He came across as a gentleman, kind and caring, boosted confidence, great chats and laughs, seemed same page about everything
I kept my distance as always but somewhere in the back of my head I thought of him as someone deeply trustworthy (which I rarely think of anyone)
we started chatting more, we ended up by ourselves one day on a prearranged outing that nobody else could make
felt awkward but was glowing by the end of that accidental date
realised I really really did like him
didn’t text to say so, just thought how lovely is this guy
he started texting daily, I was so happy, he quickly wanted to arrange another “date”
texts back and forth and I realised I am falling hard for this guy.
we have our date, we kiss, both of us are from that day on just totally all in
he tells me how hard his seperation was on the family, I’m wary but he goes on to say the relationship was never good, they married young, he had cold feet and cried on the wedding day but went ahead with it anyway. From the honeymoon he just knew it was a massive mistake.
had kids, drifted, lived seperate lives, put on a front as religious background.
said he was a one woman man, hadn’t met that special someone, been alone for years, felt more for me than he’d ever felt in his life.
many months of dreamy dates go by
becomes intensely passionate
says not so much as looked at another woman for years
I can’t fancy people I’m not in love with, he pretends he’s the same way
feels like a match made in heaven, me fully open like haven’t ever been even in the decade before with my ex.

6 months later

Now I’m all in, and I’m mad about this guy, eyes only for him, know it’s the real deal, spent years knowing him just as a friend, this is the one I want to commit to forever. He pursued me, he made the dates, he made me feel secure. Fancied him like never before, loved so much about him. Felt like, if he became incapacitated, this is the guy I would look after always and never look anywhere else.

he invites me to an online meeting. A guy on there I’ve never met in person- his friend. I don’t talk in the meeting. I arrive first, my guy arrives and I smile.

after the meeting, suddenly he changes. Apparently I fancy his friend who was in the meeting, it was “written all over my face”, me blindsided and totally confused. 5 hrs of this, we are meeting for a date the following day, he leaves me wondering if he’s going to turn up. He turns up and he’s cold. I’m not defending myself I’m just confused. Eventually I say, I only have eyes for you, why on earth would something like that even enter your mind. Cue weeks of ranting, eventual dumping, a month apart. We get back together and there’s no apology or admission he was wrong, he occasionally raises it, I deny it. This guy was nothing, I don’t even know him, I’m in love with my guy and only want him.

6 months later

suddenly wants kinky talk about other women
suddenly says things like “every man prefers a certain size breasts” implying mine aren’t that certain size
tells me I’m so beautiful and sexy but when we get down to it, it’s “tell me about another woman”, I go along with his kink but it takes over entire sex life.

cant get him “alone”. Eventually ask if he wants other women for real, he says of course every man does but he wouldn’t do anything about it. Only fancies women in the street, not anyone he knows etc. a month or so later it’s of course he’s liked women he knows, then it’s “I’d never tell them”, a month or two later “ oh I have told women I want to shag them but not done it, but not while we’ve been together” and I’m like I’m fine then, who cares. Couple months after that it’s “oh I’ve told three women I want to shag them the first year and we’re together but nothing more happened” by this point I’m like who the actual hell is this guy.

said I forgive but please never again, he says nothing to forgive; they came onto me, I’m loyal I’d never come onto another woman. Me….well I consider it something that needs forgiving and I wouldn’t stay with someone who talks to other women that way. Hell ensues, I tell him after another WHOLE year of lovebombing and dates and great times sprinkled with nasty rows on occassion about other women that it’s not fair to either of us. By this point he is regularly picking fights and dumping me and I can’t take all the insecurity of it anymore. As well as that he’s regularly fabricating stories in his head about what I must be up to behind his back, when I’d never look at any other guy and don’t even have male friends. But apparently having an education business page with likes from “loads of men” means I fancy loads of men.

constabtly says it will never work because it’s “toxic” while being the most toxic twat you could ever meet while I exhibit a ton of patience with him through his melodramas. Try to understand him, give him his kink, forgive everthing and smooth over everthing. We live apart and see each other weekly.

finally he agrees he will never talk to women that way ever again.

we live at a distance and I have a child and haven’t been to his area but feel secure in all he’s told me as we have so many mutual friends and I feel I really know him…..

have the best date ever and things are amazing, and then one day, he phones, his life has fallen apart. Oh he was seperated but turns out she didn’t really know that. Oh they did live separately, he lived in an outhouse adjoining his marital home. Hence he could call and text all hours and I was none the wiser. His kids are distraught, he’s lost his whole extended family, and friends have turned their back, if she forgives him he will have to try to for appearances sake make it good.

me feeling I’ve entered another world, sick like I’ve done the worst thing ever. Days of little bits of contact. I ask him why is this even happening. Not once do I ask him to just come and be with me, and I don’t shout at him for being a liar because he’s told me he’s suicidal. I ask if he would be here with me if this wasn’t the way it was. He says “I love you so much but it wouldn’t work long term it’s too toxic” me finally lose my temper st the lying drama Queen, and we never speak again.

how can people like this have no conscience? How can they take so much with no conscience? How can they live so inauthentically and harm everyone around them?

do you think he had some kind of personality disorder to present so differently and slowly layer by layer drip fed me who he really was?

Thanks if you’ve read this far, I really know now that I will never trust someone ever again.feel free to tell me your most horrible experiences below.

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Domino20 · 18/04/2024 23:45

Fucking hell. Crazy really has no limit!

Pinkbonbon · 18/04/2024 23:55

Well of course he had a personality disorder. Normal people don't manipulate and abuse their spouse.

But he's showed you from early on what he was. Love bombing, 'we seemed to have everything in common' (narcissistic mirroring).

The writing was always on the wall. But you were too smitten to see it.

Now you do. Take the escape!
Don't blame yourself. These sort are excellent manipulators.

Bluebird987 · 18/04/2024 23:58

Thanks, I was a highly cynical and independent woman, and I really looked deep into people, and the things we had in common were not superficial, but they were essentially, the emotional things- made up. I suppose he knew the only way he could be with me is if he made up a totally different character. I wonder if he did that for other women too depending on their personality and needs and then dropped the mask later on. Knowing him for years in a group was the kicker really, as I thought I did for real know him.

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Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:00

With the other guy accusation, I forgave not because I was a mug (although I know now I was) but because I decided that he was morally and emotionally the same as me in terms of what he wanted in a partner- that he’d never look at another woman that way, and that he was maybe less able to handle insecure thoughts and jealousies than me. It was enough to know that he had the same values as me. But that was a lie also as I later found out. It was just a way to abuse me.

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Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:01

Every day I think about his wife and I feel sick inside. I feel so so bad for her, and it makes me feel disgusting and like I’m not the person I was anymore

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Fluffywigg · 19/04/2024 00:04

🚩🚩🚩🚩 🚩 Run for the hills….

TheShellBeach · 19/04/2024 00:05

OP you should have ended it after the online meeting when you were accused of fancying his friend.

Opentooffers · 19/04/2024 00:05

How can you date someone for years and never suss out where they live? It's a must before entering into a serious relationship. Some men lie, you unfortunately met one. Better to keep away from separated men it only brings angst and issues to your door. I've dated 2, but I went to theirs and they definitely lived in their own places. Still other issues and baggage crops up, it's just not worth it. Both men I believe are still separated but not divorced, years later, glad I'm out of their lives and their mess.

Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:05

Its been almost a year since we broke up, I suppose I’m just venting and looking for others experiences, whether they think this guy had some kind of mental illness or was just a total lying bastard, not that that makes a difference, just that he’s changed me forever.

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Pinkbonbon · 19/04/2024 00:08

They take you and reflect it back at you.

Sometimes you can see it in the friend group as these sort will adapt to mirror the person they are chasing. They'll even sometimes change their whole physical style and appearance to be what they think the person they want to chase wants.

They'll take your exact phrases and repeat them to you or others infront of you as if they are theyr own words.

Their whole persona is bits and pieces of old victims they've...tried on for size.

TheShellBeach · 19/04/2024 00:09

I don't think he had a mental illness.
He was just a controlling, abusive twat.

Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:10

Yes you are correct, we videod called from home regularly, it was quite a distance to travel, and the activities we were involved with were all more local to me and where we met. Besides that, his son he said lived with him and he wasn’t ready yet to introduce us as he was very sensitive about things, and the family were very religious. However he always made it that he really wanted us to build that solid foundation, and get to that place with it all

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Pinkbonbon · 19/04/2024 00:11

I've always thought of a personality disorder as a specific type of personality. Not necessarily mental illness. Just, who they are.

At least, with psychopathy and narcissism.

They aren't sick. They're just...predators. And there's a name for it.

SheepAndSword · 19/04/2024 00:11

Agree with pp, he just sounds like a nasty selfish person

Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:12

Yes I was naive considering how long I’d avoided men, to feel the way I did about him actually felt liberating, like wow not only am I actually interested in someone, I’m really head over heels for him. Even me forgiving him things felt liberating, like I’m not a lost cause, he’s made me feel again. To be honest, that’s the one thing he can never ruin for me, that he made me feel that way. So I can never now truly say healing isn’t possible can I, even if it feels that way.

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Pinkbonbon · 19/04/2024 00:18

It's always good to find something that makes us feel alive.

So long as we know to get out when it starts killing us.

Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:19

Unless I’m just totally a lost cause because it’s only the worst twat that took ten years to come along that I could like, but I can’t go down that path as he did not present that way, and everyone loved him, it’s not like anyone was saying he was a tosser, or that he was easily seen through like loads of other men, or a sleaze or anything else. He came across as the most amazing man. Some of that was the actual real him, it’s a shame he was ruined by being a pathological liar and manipulator, kind of shreds the good bits into nothingness

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Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:22

I don’t think someone like that could ever know true happiness or knows even what love is. Imagine carrying all those secrets around, certainly love is very vulnerable when it’s for real , and I did love him, with every bad thing revealed I still loved him. I just didn’t trust him like before, or respect him the same. I suppose his final lies revealed probably saved me a lifetime of misery. I am sorry for his wife who no doubt did have a lifetime of misery

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Armychefbethebest · 19/04/2024 00:22

Oh op that sounds so tough , don't underestimate yourself though in some ways it will harden you but in others you will just be very wary , my heart goes out to you. Here's my story and yes this actually happened .......
I'd not long separated from my husband who had shagged someone from work, had a heart attack at a young age felt like I was on a Rollercoaster life went from normal to upside down within a few weeks.
Had a married couple who were my best friends also my bosses, they couldn't do enough , made me feel very cared for and helped me get back on my feet one weekend it all changed and it all turned sexual, never had I considered polyamory before but at their suggestion it sounded perfect, they truly were lovely amazing people or so I thought..... they ran an organization for ex forces ,he was ex forces won't go into too much detail but he had the stories, quite a few years under his belt, I became involved in the company before this all started as I was struggling outside of the forces. Very soon it became apparent she was very jealous and things became very toxic very quickly ,she had also been secretly drinking sometimes whilst driving which I absolutely detest.
6 months in they are arrested as they are accused of embezzlement and things ramp up, we must move, you must cut contact from people who know us , you can't tell anyone where we are.
When we get to this new place it's next level. I'm financially abused, physically and emotionally abused physically by her and emotionally by both it takes its toll, after 6 weeks they both decide to get a flat 100 metres away something I think they planned all along looking back.
They were still very enmeshed into my life now and just over a year later I find out he has not served one day ,so all his stories were made up their life was one big lie both of them, I dumped him on the spot. She must of thought I was going to end things with her so her solution was to drink drive through a wall , I couldn't look at her afterwards. Reality actually hit then and I left in the middle of the night back to my hometown.Apparantly when she found out I'd left she smashed their flat up. It took me a long time to process all of that, I remarried 4 weeks ago and still have nightmares about them but that's all they are now not real life xxx

Armychefbethebest · 19/04/2024 00:23

Wow sorry for that x

Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:24

Oh my word, please keep these stories coming they make me feel not alone. I’m so deeply sorry that all sounds utterly horrendous. I hope you are healing and finding peace now x

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Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:25

I’m glad they are “no longer real life” I suppose some pains never fully leave, but at least your life is enriched now, and they are more like a distant bad dream, or bad taste in your mouth, and not your living reality

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Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:26

He pops up in my dreams and I’m pissed off I have no control over it

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Armychefbethebest · 19/04/2024 00:33

That's how I feel not scared just pissed off because my subconscious is obviously still thinking about them , my husband always knows when lol , I've been totally honest from the start. I've healed a lot thank you I may have a little more to do but for the most part I feel stronger. It took a lot to leave but I think in any relationship there is always a final act that makes us take stock and that was mine. I remember that night I left and always will, guts churning until ever item had been loaded and I could leave forever :) I hope you heal too , your man sounds like a fantasist too and was probably using the 'you fancied him' as a way to deflect his own shortcomings, poor you and the poor wife ,I hope she kicked his arse out too x

Bluebird987 · 19/04/2024 00:38

The final act for me is just total sadness. We had this beautiful day together, and we’d sorted through a lot, I know his next drama was probably just around the corner, but for months he’d been amazing. That day we were just smiling like idiots because we’d not seen each other for two weeks, and it felt so innocent and pure and special. And then when he left a big hug and kiss goodbye, and that was the last time I ever saw him, or even heard his voice. When it happened it was all texts, I never even heard his voice again. The betrayal utterly killed me inside and even typing this now my eyes are full of tears despite the fact that I am much more emotionally disconnected than I was. The sense of loss was horrendous

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