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Bizarre 'cheating' ‐ was it?!?

36 replies

MyAmberBiscuit · 11/04/2024 16:38

This is an odd one and I can't find any advice on this situation. It's driving me mad working out what to do.

I was in a 2 year on off relationship until recently. If I deducted the time we were 'off' it would probably be more like a year, 18m.
I used to finish with him because he was unable to commit in the way I wanted. I didn't want marriage or kids or even living together, I just wanted him to be more present and share more aspects of life together. We did love each other and had the most fun, the best conversation and sex. It would have been perfect but I'd get to the end of my tether when it was like pulling teeth trying to get him to level up.

Now, here's the stinger. I found out every time we would break up he would 'try' again with his ex wife. And this is why I think he wouldn't commit. She was dangling a carrot when he was dating me that they could get the family back together. He took the bait and then they ended up in a toxic situation where they were both keeping each other on the hook. They never got back together.

When we were 'off', I went on a few dates with several people and had a short relationship myself, thinking it was fully over each time. But we always got back together with each other. Until I found out the ex wife stuff through finding a message.

I finished with him immediately as it made me feel like a back up plan and not the one he really wanted. I also saw it as cheating, because of the residual connection they had, feelings. I spoke to her too and she told me everything about what had gone on.

Although I think some of it was embellished or just made up. I was the other woman after all, in a way. But I know some of it was true.

Now, his ex wife is with someone else. My ex is very remorseful and apologetic and has cut ties with her over anything that's not child related. He says the finding out has made him see how toxic the situation was and his crap behaviour. He takes responsibility.
I've told him if he can work on him self and prove whatever it was between him and her is now done with, we can see how things feel in a year.

But I'm torn. It's this just the worst situation because she'll always be in his life or now the is all blown up and the 'lightbulb' moment has occurred could he now give me the relationship I wanted with him?

He's not a drunk cheat etc, there's not a history of him doing this. It was specific to his situation with her their divorce. I got dragged in.

I'm just wondering if this is doomed or an opportunity for reset? My instinct is to mend, slowly, very slowly, but also I just feel like an idiot for even thinking that.

Can you forgive? Everything online says no but its more related to cheating during an LTR and not an on/off situation where neither of us were fully committed (I went on 10 dates over the course of our relationship as an example, but whilst we were 'off'...mostly....and maybe once or twice when he pissed me off, never sex, just dates)

OP posts:
Star81 · 11/04/2024 16:42

Now you are also in a toxic situation with him. Do not put your life on hold.

leave this all in the past and move on

Geebray · 11/04/2024 16:43

Give him up, OP. The only reason he wants to get back with you is because she dumped him. Do you enjoy being second best?

Harvestfestivalknickers · 11/04/2024 16:47

Sadly, you didn't mean enough to him during those 2 years when you were on/off. You won't be enough for him now. Move on with you head held high.

Starlight1979 · 11/04/2024 16:48

I don't mean to be harsh but you do realise he's only come back grovelling to you because his ex-wife has met someone else, don't you? All this "working on himself" is absolute bullshit 😂Basically he's messed his ex round for years (and you!) and now she's had enough and moved on, he's come to you to claim he's a changed person and has realised what he wants in life blah blah blah....

Guaranteed if his ex breaks up with her new fella he'll be back sniffing round her.

Why would you want to be with someone who basically uses you as a back-up option?!?!

Watchkeys · 11/04/2024 16:59

God, such drama! Compatible partners are easy to form relationships with, @MyAmberBiscuit .

A simple way to work out if you should stay in a relationship is whether or not you can say 'Yeah, he's great... never had any issues, really, we just get on.' If not, don't hang around waiting for someone to be great; there are other relationships to take care of. Like the one with yourself. Which is clearly struggling, although you probably don't realise it.

MyAmberBiscuit · 11/04/2024 17:07

I guess that I'm just in the position where I'm thinking, is there only ever one option, to just move on. Or, are there two? EVERYTHING that is written says move on, but I'm struggling to have a fixed perspective on this. We're not together now, I did end it, I guess I'm just curious to see how he behaves over the year. Wether he can keep to his word that it's over with him and his ex, even when I'm 'not looking'. His ex would 100٪ tell me if he tried with her again, so I would know.
I know walking away makes sense, but there is a part of me wondering if it could be different. If people can change. Is the only outcome that it will be a shit show again or could it work?

OP posts:
Geebray · 11/04/2024 17:13

and the 'lightbulb' moment has occurred

Oh, love. He didn't have a 'lightbulb' moment. She moved on.

Geebray · 11/04/2024 17:15

Also what "work" do you expect him to be doing on himself, exactly?

More likely he'll be down the pub and going to nightclubs looking for new suckers women.

Watchkeys · 11/04/2024 17:21

I'm struggling to have a fixed perspective on this

You will have a fixed and clear perspective on all healthy relationships in your life. It's never crossed your mind to even consider your perspective on, for example, your relationship with your most trusted friend, has it? Or your granny? Has it?

Relationships you struggle to 'have a fixed perspective on' are relationships that confuse you. Save yourself a bunch of work and misery: walk away from them.

CrunchingNumbers · 11/04/2024 19:10

Was he trying to get back with the XW...or was he trying to get back to be with his kids? I've assumed he had kids because you'd said about getting the family back together. I know a man that spent several years going between wife and girlfriend because wife was holding kids hostage.
If no kids, then he's not worth it, he's holding a torch for her, not you.

Theothername · 11/04/2024 19:20

It sounds like he has a hard time letting go at the end of a relationship, not necessarily because it’s a good relationship, but because he can’t face the finality.

Now he’s repeating the pattern with you- clinging on when the relationship has run its course.

You deserve so much better - don’t waste a year of your life living in limbo

FrogTheWarrior · 11/04/2024 19:36

Don’t be the consolation prize, OP.

Elieza · 11/04/2024 20:21

He wants her not you, sorry OP.

You're just someone who is almost as nice. But very much a second choice. I'm sorry. It sucks.

I dated a guy like that and having only ever been with his ex wife (or latterly me) in decades he realised how much she was bad for him and walked away. Too little too late unfortunately, for when I took him back (as a friend with a view to working towards something more), he proceeded to shag two other women! Unbelievable. I stood by him for ages for that.

Nicer again. He either wants you as his number one or he's using you. You're number two. Sorry.

MyAmberBiscuit · 11/04/2024 20:58

He definitely would not shag about. This I know, as much as anyone can. His cheating was specifically around her and their inability to let each other go, the 'I don't want you but I don't want anyone else to have you'. She would come on strong when he said he was dating and then when he said he was single not be bothered. It's definitely a mess and I'm not taking him back now, I guess my question is really, in a year is it possible to start again if he's made changes? He's already changed his job, which is not easy at his level of work, so that he doesn't have to rely on/interact with his EW as much for childcare (he's nearly 50/50). Can people change and do they deserve forgiveness?
I have to address my part in this too, in that I dated a lot during those two years. Had a 3 month relationship with someone else. What he did during that time was none of my business right? We were not together.
I used dating apps on and off when I was angry at him and having 'fuck you' moments. Am I just as bad?
Now, with carte blanche and a promise to be better, could it be an opportunity?
Is the end, always the only option?

OP posts:
AnnieSF · 11/04/2024 21:08

Am a bit lost as I thought you said you didn't really want a serious relationship with him? Why bother?

MyAmberBiscuit · 11/04/2024 21:10

I Also need to add some background. I have a step dad who I respect and who is a great person. More of a dad to me than my own dad. He cheated on his first wife. So he's a cheat, but he is absolutely not a shit head. He's been a great part of my life and my mums. He would 100% not cheat on my mum. So people who do bad things can change and are not bad through and through.
My mum and him also got together when she was with my dad still. So my mum married a cheat. But they are great together and lovely people. This is what is confusing because my life experience, tells me good people do bad things but not to write them off.

OP posts:
Watchkeys · 11/04/2024 21:11

Can people change and do they deserve forgiveness

If this is as philosophical as you're trying to make it sound, you've given an awful lot of details about one individual. Why is that?

financialcareerstuff · 11/04/2024 21:12

OP, I'm sorry but agree with you that you are as bad as him. It sounds, first, like you use dumping someone as a power play- to show that something doesn't suit you, but with the thought in your mind of starting it all again when the person has learned something.

You are also talking about forgiving him- but for what? When he was single he's free to revive things with an ex- and if that means that you're connecting go with new men you don't have an emotional connection with, while he's connecting with the mother of his children, perhaps hoping to reunite his family.... sorry but I'm failing to see why his actions are worse than yours. Especially since you were the one dumping him over and over.

You also imply you were the OW.... ?

I think the advice posters give is good. Relationships aren't meant to be this hard. They aren't meant to require numerous break ups, to get them to work. Time to move on.

MyAmberBiscuit · 11/04/2024 21:14

AnnieSF · 11/04/2024 21:08

Am a bit lost as I thought you said you didn't really want a serious relationship with him? Why bother?

I did but he wasn't offering what I wanted so I would bin him off. About 4 times. Maybe he just didn't think I was seriousand would bin him off at any given moment, which is kind is true, so the lure is getting the family back together was appealing, rather than his flighty gf. Urgh. Mess.

OP posts:
Watchkeys · 11/04/2024 21:15

You're talking about being confused because good people do bad things and bad people do good things... who decides if someone is 'good' or 'bad'? Which authority makes that decision?

Apparently, Hitler was a great bloke to have coffee and cake with. Great conversationalist, smart, funny, loved animals... so... kind of a good bloke, then?

MyAmberBiscuit · 11/04/2024 21:18

financialcareerstuff · 11/04/2024 21:12

OP, I'm sorry but agree with you that you are as bad as him. It sounds, first, like you use dumping someone as a power play- to show that something doesn't suit you, but with the thought in your mind of starting it all again when the person has learned something.

You are also talking about forgiving him- but for what? When he was single he's free to revive things with an ex- and if that means that you're connecting go with new men you don't have an emotional connection with, while he's connecting with the mother of his children, perhaps hoping to reunite his family.... sorry but I'm failing to see why his actions are worse than yours. Especially since you were the one dumping him over and over.

You also imply you were the OW.... ?

I think the advice posters give is good. Relationships aren't meant to be this hard. They aren't meant to require numerous break ups, to get them to work. Time to move on.

Not the other woman knowingly, just realised this when I found out. Its how his ex then viewed me. We were both the other woman.

OP posts:
category12 · 11/04/2024 21:25

Nah, sounds like he created a triangle between you both, with him as the prize. It's not star-crossed lovers, it's drama. Just being with one person won't be exciting enough for him.

Other men are available.

martinisforeveryone · 11/04/2024 21:25

I sense you’re not getting the responses you’re looking for here OP. Unfortunately I agree with everyone else, this isn’t a good relationship for you.

Wingslikeabird · 11/04/2024 21:26

I'm so confused. You cheated on him, you used dating apps when you were in a relationship with him and went on dates with other men because he had "pissed you off"? But you're angry with him because when he wasn't in a relationship with you he pursued his ex. Have I understood this all correctly?

Geebray · 11/04/2024 21:27

MyAmberBiscuit · 11/04/2024 21:10

I Also need to add some background. I have a step dad who I respect and who is a great person. More of a dad to me than my own dad. He cheated on his first wife. So he's a cheat, but he is absolutely not a shit head. He's been a great part of my life and my mums. He would 100% not cheat on my mum. So people who do bad things can change and are not bad through and through.
My mum and him also got together when she was with my dad still. So my mum married a cheat. But they are great together and lovely people. This is what is confusing because my life experience, tells me good people do bad things but not to write them off.

I can't even. Everybody in your life has cheated on everybody else, as far as I can see. This is the behaviour that you are modelling.