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Am I over sensitive? Or is this horrible?

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WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 21:59

My dad was dying of cancer and wanted to stay at home. He deteriorated rapidly and my mum was under a lot of pressure with 24 hour care for him. Me and my siblings were there physically to help and were involved in the care.

I realised it was challenging for everyone involved. So to ease the pressure, I cooked a big pot of his favourite stew and portioned it up and brought it over. I would like my dad to have his favourite food before he died. And I thought it would be good for my mum who didn't have time to cook for herself. I also kept a bit for myself.

My mum gave me some feedback....it was okay but the beef was undercooked so I'm not sure we can eat it.

I felt upset because I had put a lot of thought and effort into making it. She said it with such kindness that I believed her, and I threw away all that I had kept for myself. I was confused because it had been on the stove, simmering away for a couple of hours. But I had no reason to disbelieve her.

My mum has continuously and persistently given me this kind of advice since I was very young. When I was a child I bought her some earrings for her birthday. She excitedly opened them, then her face dropped. She said....oh no these are not good at all, this is not my colour, you have got it so wrong.

These are just a couple of examples....one from childhood and one from recently....but the years in between have been chock a block full of these comments.

She seems to want to destroy my self esteem. I have suffered extremely bad mental health throughout my life. I put so much effort into recovery and making my life better, and she goes out of her way to destroy my progress (in the guise of caring).

I feel so stupid because I'm in my 40s and have only just realised what she has been doing. I feel so sad and alone.

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WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 22:20

Age 15/16....went to the hairdresser and got my haircut. The hairdresser said, you have really lovely hair and a really pretty face, I would love to use you as a model in my next competition. I was so happy and went home and told my mum. She said "oh I wouldn't listen to her they say that to everyone "

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WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 22:23

They made me leave home at 17. I was a grade A student because I believed that education could save me from the poverty we lived in. I had to give up my ALevels and get a dead end minimum wage job. She phoned me to say.... don't know why you are wasting your life away worrying about rent and bills, your cousins are of travelling around the world having the time of their lives.

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BCBird · 30/03/2024 22:23

No wonder ur self esteem is not high. The very person who should have been ur champion has been ur critic. Distance yourself

Righttherights · 30/03/2024 22:25

Sounds very unpleasant and spiteful. What happens if you criticise her? Does she play the victim by any chance? Is it always everyone else who’s wrong?

WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 22:35

Yes she plays the victim very well. The thing is that I have had some quite intensive therapy in the last couple of years,,,not to deal with my childhood/family.... but to help me to reconnect with my emotions and cope with my emotions. My therapy has finished now. It's made me a lot more aware of what's going on around me and of my feelings.

Very recently my mum started crying. Very fake crying with no tears. She said.....your dad was so heartbroken when you and your sister fell out. It was all he wanted for you and her to make up, but you didn't. He died with that pain.....(my sister is very like my mother, I never fell out with her, she became very jealous and abusive to me and then cut me off and then tried to make herself the victim and turn my family against me. It was heartbreaking. I tried everything I could to resolve things but she wasn't interested. My mother knows this....so why is she suddenly crying and making me feel guilty?)

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Mementomorissons · 30/03/2024 22:38

It's been subtle enough to make you worry you're overreacting but I don't think you are.

If you're dad was dying he could've eaten undercooked beef even if it was undercooked! But my guess is it wasn't- I think your mum just uses you like a stress ball - a little quick crush now and again to take the edge off.

Mementomorissons · 30/03/2024 22:39
  • oh sorry just saw your last post - yeah that isn't subtle, that's just pure game playing. I would totally distance myself
Brexile · 30/03/2024 22:41

She threw you out at 17 and ruined your education? You owe her nothing, not even the most basic courtesy. I'm sorry this has happened to you.

WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 22:44

I cannot effectively distance myself from my mum because she has, over the years, put herself in a position where all my siblings and there partners, communicate with everyone else through her. I have 2 siblings who I no longer have a relationship with. I have 2 more siblings who she adores and I know that she never lets them see this side of her. If I distance myself from her, she will know why, and I'm pretty sure that it will end the relationship with those two siblings. I do not have a partner or any children and I'm really scared of being completely alone. So I feel extremely stuck. She also intersperses the cutting comments with really nice, kind comments, so half the time I think it's not her fault. I love her and it would hurt her if I distanced myself.

It has been going on so long and has such a massive impact on my life that I have recently started to feel suicidal. I just can't believe she would want to hurt me.

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Sherrycat · 30/03/2024 22:48

I really feel for you op. I too have a mother who is like this.
I made damn sure my kids were brought up differently!

WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 22:55

@Sherrycat thank you. I'm really only just coming to accept the reality. I have spent my whole life making excuses and believing she didn't mean it. I'm really struggling now, because I'm accepting the reality that she does not care about me. I feel very sad and very rejected but I know that my life will only get better if I can accept this and deal with the pain.

It's hard. She had an accident a couple of years ago which temporarily severely disabled her. I got four buses a day to her house to help her with her personal care and keep her spirits up. At the time I was off work, suffering from depression, barely able to look after myself. But I did this for her. It hurts.

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FictionalCharacter · 30/03/2024 22:56

I cooked a big pot of his favourite stew and portioned it up and brought it over. I would like my dad to have his favourite food before he died.
A stew that had been simmering for hours wasn't undercooked. She deliberately deprived him of that treat, and deliberately deprived you of doing that kind thing for him. It was a horrible act of cruelty.
I can see how hard it is for you to work out how to save yourself from this horrible family situation. Perhaps find a specialist counsellor who can help you with that.

WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 22:56

It just seems so unnecessary....why can't we just have a nice relationship??

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Maddy70 · 30/03/2024 22:59

Honestly.... when you have cancer you are not to eat undercooked meats as you are immunosuppressed.

I don't think she was undermining you. I think she was just being factual.

You are bound to be sensitive. Your dad is very ill

It was a lovely thought

WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 23:00

@FictionalCharacter thank you. That is exactly what I intend to do. There are so many counsellors on the internet so I'm going to have to work my way through them and make a short list. But yep, this is my priority.

In the meantime though, I am really struggling with this reality, I know I can get through this, but sometimes the suicidal thoughts are intense. It hurts a lot. But yeah, I really need a counsellor.

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WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 23:02

@Maddy70 my dad had an extremely short time left to live. He was dnr and he was actively dying. Are you my mum?

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WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 23:08

@Maddy70 my dad could hardly eat anything anyway. He was so close to death and in the last couple of days before he stopped eating completely. It was his last chance to ever taste food he liked before his life ended. He wasn't eating for nutrition. The last couple of days before he died he was in so much pain, confusion and agitation that if catching an infection finished him off sooner then it would have just saved him from 48 hours of torture. ....but there was nothing wrong with the stew anyway, it was on the stove for hours

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FictionalCharacter · 30/03/2024 23:15

Maddy70 · 30/03/2024 22:59

Honestly.... when you have cancer you are not to eat undercooked meats as you are immunosuppressed.

I don't think she was undermining you. I think she was just being factual.

You are bound to be sensitive. Your dad is very ill

It was a lovely thought

There is no way that a stew that was simmered for two hours was undercooked. And do you really think OP would send her dying father undercooked meat?
Read OP's updates, please.

EddieVedderSingsToMe · 30/03/2024 23:27

Narcissistic personality disorder- google it. Specifically mothers with npd

MrsElsa · 30/03/2024 23:32

You are an adult and so are your siblings though? So you are allowed to reach out to them directly and meet up for a cuppa to catch up. No need to even mention your mother!

I am sorry this has been done to you. You didn't deserve it and I hope you can find your way through. Check out the "but we took you to Stately homes" threads.

IRockdontyaknow · 30/03/2024 23:33

It's understandable that you are struggling after the realisation that your mum has done things to intentionally hurt you. I'm glad you got angry with the pp who said you were being sensitive about the stew. It was obviously really important to you. I hope you are angry with your mum too.

It may not feel like it but it's better to be alone than with people who don't value you. It may be difficult at first but the void will be filled with people who treat you better if you are open to that. But there's no rush

I know you are looking for a counsellor but if you need some support with your suicidal thoughts in the mean time you can always ring the Samaritans, you have a very valid reason to call them.

WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 23:47

@MrsElsa yes, I know you are right. I'm just working out how I can do this. If it becomes obvious to my mum that I have distanced myself from her, then she will talk convincingly and very badly about me to my remaining siblings. I really believe that they have no idea of this side to her. She adores them and treats them very well. She will do her best to jeopardise our relationship. They trust her because they have no reason not to. So I need to be careful about what I do.

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WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 30/03/2024 23:54

@IRockdontyaknow thank you very much.

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Turtletunes · 31/03/2024 13:51

I have so much sympathy and empathy for you. I had a er "difficult" relationship with my Dad. He was critical in similar ways you have described your mother. Usually disinterested in me and my life and seemed to be always set on undermining me and belittling me.
I felt very lonely with this as a child and even as an adult because other people's parents seemed to actually like them and love them, celebrate their successes and offer them help when they need it. Imagine having parents like that! I'm still a bit jealous of people who have parents like that.
I was also ejected from the family home when I was 17, the reason being, I didn't want to do the A level subjects my Dad picked for me, because they were subjects he was good at, not me, they were subjects I found difficult to understand so didn't like. So I ended up working six days a week in unskilled jobs to pay the rent.
It's very confusing and lonely I found, having a parent like that, because I always wondered "Why me? What's wrong with me? Why are my friends parents so different?" which was not helped by other people sometimes. An ex asked me "What have you done to make your parents treat you like that?" 🙄Great, thanks for that support - not!
Anyhoo, my Dad died a few years ago and I started looking around for answers about why our relationship was so bad and I stumbled upon narcissistic personality disorder. Over the last 2 years, I've read more and more about it and I think that is the answer. I'd suggest you have a look into this and see if any of it resonates with you and with your mother's behaviour.
I'm in my early 50s now and I only realised 2 years ago that the answer to my Dad's behaviour was probably a personality disorder. It's not my fault - yippeee! I've lived with the loneliness and confusion all those years, so you definitely don't need to beat yourself up for not realising until you are in your 40s that there is something wrong with your relationship with your mother. My Dad's behaviour is probably also the reason I've been stuck in an abusive marriage for years but that's another (long) story!
Life can be bleak and confusing when the people who are supposed to support you do the exact opposite, but I do feel hopeful now that there is a happy life available to me in the future. I've found resources that are designed to help adult children of abusive parents (and it abuse I'm afraid, emotional abuse).
Lisa A Romano is a therapist in America for adult children of narcissistic or alcoholic parents and she has a blog which is quite informative and is free. There is also one in Oxfordshire called Faye Packer who has a useful Facebook page and her prices for therapy seemed quite reasonable when I looked although I didn't do the therapy in the end. I'll try to give links below.
Anyway, sorry to prattle on but I wanted you to know that you are NOT over sensitive, you definitely are NOT alone and it definitely, definitely is NOT your fault!

https://www.lisaaromano.com/
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Turtletunes · 31/03/2024 13:56

PS I also want to add that just the other day I was thinking about my 17 year old self being ejected from the family home and managing to pay the rent and keep myself safe at that young age. Back then, I just got on with it with the naive confidence of a 17 year old but now, as an adult, I think "OMG anything could have happened to me, poor me, what terrible parents". But nothing terrible did happen and I did manage to pay the rent, feed and clothe myself and keep my self safe. Go me! Big pat on the back for me and the same to you, keeping yourself with no help from parents at such a young age. Please buy yourself a big Easter egg or whatever you like, to treat yourself for being so amazing! 💐

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