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Wishing my mum was more helpful.

37 replies

Hooplashake · 29/03/2024 22:03

I'm a single mum with about 75% time with my young children, one of whom has autism. I have no support around me at all and see very clearly that most other single mothers I know have a heap of support from their parents. Of course this isn't a sweeping generalisation as I am not one of them and I know others who don't have support either but most do in the circles I am personally in.

My own mother lives 2 hours away.
She visits every three weeks or so and due to her living in one bedroom accommodation with her boyfriend, we can not visit her. Accommodation where she lives also isn't cheap, along with travel costs etc it is expensive to visit her. She moved away from our home town around 5 years ago when she met her now boyfriend.

When she visits, I crave to be able to use the time to get jobs done. For her to watch the children so I can clean, run errands or even have some time to myself or see a friend. I have no other childcare any other time other than my ex who has the children for 2 overnights a week (only from 5pm-8am due to the demands of his work) and once after school for dinner on a day when I'm at work. I organise my own work around school drop offs/pick ups to save on wrap around care and everything inbetween as it if flexible but I often feel like I'm all over the place juggling everything all at once. My ex pays a very good deal of maintenance which I can not complain about.

However, mum often wants to do all singing all dancing days out when she visits, meals out when she visits as if she's on holiday. I am not on holiday. This is my real life and I have things that I need to do. Her husband has periods of agoraphobia and I think she is miserable at home but won't admit it and craves being able to do nice things which is understandable. This puts pressure on me as I feel guilty for asking her to just take the children out without me or watch them for a few hours. She wants me to go out with them as if she isn't confident with them on her own. When I speak to other friends they tell me how their mum will occupy the children or take them to the park so that they can do jobs and errands, but mine seems disappointed when I'm busy during her visits. She acts as if she's on holiday when she's here- never shares in the cooking etc. I'm always cooking for her aswell as the children, if I ask her to cook for us, she'll only want to eat out.

A couple of years ago she made a "joke" about me "using" her for childcare after one weekend where I asked her to watch the children so I could go out with a friend for an evening. She seems to get resentful if I'm not spending all the time with her doing fun stuff. Then I feel guilty.

Would it be unreasonable of me to gently enforce some sort of boundary? I'm not sure what that looks like or what I'd say. I just feel like her expectations and my expectations of her visits are completely different.

OP posts:
Peppermint81 · 29/03/2024 22:42

Can understand wanting to clean or run errands but using your Mum to go out for dinner with a friend?!?
Definately need to make it clear what her visits are about then she can decide whether to come or not.
Cleaner another option?

Burntouted · 30/03/2024 04:24

Get a child sitter...live in nanny..perhaps Your mother doesn't have to watch your children or help out more or at all if she doesn't want to. It's unreasonable and inconsiderate to try and rely on your mother for childcare.

You chose to have them..it's up to you to figure this out without involving your mother.

WandaWonder · 30/03/2024 04:27

It was your choice to have your children, arrange actual childcare

Overthebow · 30/03/2024 05:28

She’s made it clear she doesn’t want to babysit or take them out on her own so don’t force her. It would be nice if she wanted but at least she visits regularly so she has a relationship with her grandchildren.

Octavia64 · 30/03/2024 05:30

Your mum might be coming to see you.

If she's coming up to see you and you are says by "hey mum, glad you've come, I'm going out all day can you cope with the kids" then she might be feeling upset and like you don't want to see her.

You aren't unreasonable for wanting some support, but there should be a balance. Can you arrange some nice things to do with her as well to show you value her company?

You mention enforcing boundaries. I'm not sure what the boundary you want to enforce is.

Brabican · 30/03/2024 05:35

It honestly dies not sound as if you enjoy contact with you Mother because you care about her. You only appear to want her to visit to do childcare for you. You talk about enforcing boundaries with her so she understands that she is not there to have a nice time but to do your bidding. It sounds incredibly entitled on your part.
You need to compromise and spend quality time with your mother so that she also enjoys her visits. Ultimately, your children are your responsibility. Not hers.

effoffwind · 30/03/2024 05:58

2 overnights a week from 1700?

I'd have my house gleaming by bedtime one of those nights - then cinema / pub / walk / whatever the other night

More child free time than most of us have ?

tomorrowisanotherdate · 30/03/2024 06:03

If you don't want your mum to visit on those terms, then don't invite her. She isn't going to visit on unpaid nanny terms. Why should she? You gat two nights and an evening child free every week. wow. Quick add up that is roughly 1500 more nights than I had over the time I was raising children as a single mum, and 750 more evenings. And maintenance as well! I think if you are struggling when you have got so much support, you are going to struggle whatever.

Pay for childcare

WoodBurningStov · 30/03/2024 06:08

Sounds like you and your mum have different ideas on what the visit is for. She's using it as a way to see you and do things she can't do with her bf, and you see it as an opportunity to get stuff done.

You need to get a childminder for a day or two and that will leave you free to do nice stuff with your mum and stop this friction.

Justbrowsing2024 · 30/03/2024 06:09

I don't think you are unreasonable for wanting support. It's nice to have help. However she doesn't have to provide it.
You get 2 evenings and a dinner time per week plus maintenance. Use the free time to clean and do errands and/or use some of the maintenance to outsource help (cleaner, childminder etc).

Autienotnaughtie · 30/03/2024 06:09

If she's staying with you she shouldn't be making your life harder. I'd explain you are struggling and you would appreciate a bit of help when she visits either with children or in house. And say you won't be waiting on her hand and foot anymore as it is too much.

Raindancer411 · 30/03/2024 06:15

Octavia64 · 30/03/2024 05:30

Your mum might be coming to see you.

If she's coming up to see you and you are says by "hey mum, glad you've come, I'm going out all day can you cope with the kids" then she might be feeling upset and like you don't want to see her.

You aren't unreasonable for wanting some support, but there should be a balance. Can you arrange some nice things to do with her as well to show you value her company?

You mention enforcing boundaries. I'm not sure what the boundary you want to enforce is.

I agree with this. She maybe wanting to see you and the children and not yet come to be a babysitter.

I am not a single mum, BUT we have no external help and don't even get a date night or day away from the kids. My husband works a lot so I can understand the not getting anything done feeling.

GreatGateauxsby · 30/03/2024 06:19

She is who she is.

I would plan the weekends better in advance so she knows she is getting some of what she wants and you get what you want. Talk to her.

she wants nice trips out /experiences
So book something nice for when she comes and send her with the kids or all go together. Or set up up some arts and crafts (easter bunny or whatever) and leave her with the kids for 30 mins while you do X) stretch that time slowly.to an hour or 2.

you resent cooking for her - fix that
Buy in easy dinners (freezer aisles do frozen meals in a bag.... there is a noodle one and gnocchi one we love) or do a slow cooker so you just dump it in

I do think going out to see your mate when she comes to visit and you only have your kids 75% of the time is a quite rude....

If she wont meet you halfway and it makes life harder maybe make the visits more like every 4 weeks?

crew2022 · 30/03/2024 06:26

Maybe your mum visits because she wants to spend time with you and not babysit sleeping children so you can go out with a friend?

GreatGateauxsby · 30/03/2024 06:28

I also dont get what boundary you want to put in place.

Insisting she provide childcare is a demand not a boundary???

DoBeDoBeDoDoDo · 30/03/2024 06:33

OP this is Mumsnet, where nobody should ever have or expect any help from family. However, back in the real world, as you yourself witness all around you, it's actually very normal to babysit your grandchildren once in a while and even to help out on a regular basis!

The first poster actually made me laugh out loud. .. using your Mum to go out for dinner with a friend?!?, well yes, it's called babysitting your grandchildren and many of us do it quite often and think it's perfectly normal - shocking I know! My daughter and her family are planning to move closer to us so that they have more help and we're thrilled because we love our daughter and DGC and want to help them if we can.

Your mother seems to view visits to you as a break from her partner and a chance to chill out and do bugger all - time to start being less available, or for an honest chat about how much you like to see her but how would she feel about minding the DC for a couple of hours, just occasionally which you'd really appreciate? YANBU.

AnAwfulPerson · 30/03/2024 06:36

Classic MN - the first two replies are 'get a cleaner' and 'get a nanny', as if those are affordable for most people (especially most single mums).
OP I think you need to sit your mum down and explain to her that you're on your knees with exhaustion and would love a bit of help.

MariaVT65 · 30/03/2024 06:40

My mum lives a few hours away, and when she comes down, we do a bit of both. She plays with my kids so i can catch up on housework. But we also go on days out.

Why can’t you do both?

Totally agree with PP though that you having 2 evenings off a week is a hell of a lot more than most of us have.

QueenOfTheLabyrinth · 30/03/2024 06:51

You are using her though, nowhere do you mention anything about wanting to spend anytime with her; your whole post is about what she can do for you & complaining that she always wants you there, has it occurred to you that she might actually want to spend with you, her daughter?

Seems she can’t win either, you complain about always having to cook but when she suggests going out to eat, that’s a problem too. You’re very entitled to be honest.

Sunnnybunny72 · 30/03/2024 07:20

Your anger is misplaced.
It's your children's dad you should be angry with! The maintenance he pays you likely wouldn't touch the sides of the 24/7 care he'd have to pay someone to cover his half of every month that you're doing the vast majority of for him.
Where's your dad in all this? Doesn't he come in for any criticism? It's not just a females role to 'help'.

Mammyloveswine · 30/03/2024 07:28

How come the kids dad can't have them during the day? I doubt he works 7 days a week.

What about school hols?

Can you not clean on one of the 2 overnights and go out with a friend on the other?

I have no help with my kids, literally have to beg my sister if we're invited to a wedding or something!

I get it, it's tough!

literalviolence · 30/03/2024 08:05

My oh and I tag team parented to pay the bills. I got much less than 25% child free time as a parenting couple. You explain needs to take the children more not your mum.

frozendaisy · 30/03/2024 08:15

It's fine if grandma wants to spend time with you but I think people are kidding the point that it's every three weeks and she is expecting to be entertained by all because she doesn't get that at home.

You just need to talk to her that you can't do that that right now your life is school, work, chores, most of the time.

I agree you need to get the kid's dad more involved, it's not really overnight if you are still doing all the school runs, this contributes to the financial disparity between men and women. The kid's dad gets to swan around with his important job, being fun dad for a bit of the time whilst you are juggling everything effectively.

Be nice and loving but tell your mum how things are. Perhaps suggest she visits less often if she wants the going out treatment.

On the otherhand if she is willing to pay for it all why not use her visits as fun days out, eating out, escaping the house and chores? Just try and tone it so you can enjoy it as well.

You are a parent, a grown up now, sometimes you just have to set how things are.

DottieMoon · 30/03/2024 08:23

YABU.

You have 25% of your time child free which is more than most. You clearly expect childcare from your mum and don’t seem to actually want to spend time with her. You sound selfish.

Vallmo47 · 30/03/2024 08:36

I have my family abroad so can sympathise with having no help with the childcare. Even when my dad visits from overseas he becomes another person for me to look after - he doesn’t lift a finger and also doesn’t pay his way although he stays for months if allowed. It’s exhausting but I can honestly say I’ve never blamed him for not taking over looking after my children - that’s not him and it never was. Free childcare from grandparent is definitely not a guarantee and I think it’s time to accept your mum isn’t willing to offer it.