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Any creative ways to shut up an adult bully?

64 replies

PIKNIK20 · 28/03/2024 12:27

I came up with one...
I joined a very nice community choir a few years ago. People are so friendly to each other. As it is a community choir, there were no divas. I felt at home instantly, loved the songs and the way "the choir master" treated the members, even though I am not the best at catching all the harmonies, there were lots of people like me, and that was reassuring. No matter.
But along came a "know it all" woman, let us call her Jane, who clearly had had training, could read music, etc. So, sometimes people would ask the choir master questions to clarify things. I did twice in one session, and each time Jane, standing in the front row, would proceed to answer the question clearly posed to him, not her. After the session I told her how annoying, intimidating, and simply rude that was. I did not think she quite understood how important it was to maintain a friendly, non-judgemental atmosphere, but in the end she told me that she would not do it again.
But of course, she did it again a few months later. Then I just spoke to the Chair Lady of the choir Committee and she promised to talk to her, though reluctantly. She said she did, but I am not sure if she really did.
This was ruining my really enjoying the choir sessions, though I knew that I was not going to quit because of that silly woman. So finally, I came up with the solution, which I have not tried yet, but am going to definitely use: Next time she does anything patronizing like that, I would just say:
YES, MOTHER SUPERIOR! YES, MATRON!
I am very curious of her (and other members) reaction, but I think it should work, as nobody likes to be mocked and laughed at.
Please give us examples how you have dealt with adult bullies or in any conflict situations, creatively.

OP posts:
Noseybookworm · 28/03/2024 20:34

So is she mocking you and laughing at you or just being a bit of a know it all? It sounds like you are giving her way too much attention, she's best ignored.

FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 28/03/2024 21:03

Noseybookworm · 28/03/2024 20:34

So is she mocking you and laughing at you or just being a bit of a know it all? It sounds like you are giving her way too much attention, she's best ignored.

Nope. The OP says she thinks her mortifying (for her) jeers of 'YES MOTHER SUPERIOR!' will make other choir members mock and laugh at the woman, who has done nothing but occasionally offer advice.

PIKNIK20 · 29/03/2024 17:49

Thanks to everybody for your contributions. Just to explain: I have always been friendly to her throughout - till she decided to jump into John trying to answer my question posed to him. She was interfering, so I could not even hear his answer, then the lady standing next to me said: "she is trying to tell you that you are thick..." So it was not just MY impression that she was overbearing. So after the second time she did it IN THE SAME session I asked her not to do it again as that was intimidating, and she promised to not do it again. I know it may sound petty to some people but when she did it again after even a few months, the length of time did not seem to matter -as she had promised to not do it again - in my world if someone promises not to do something, then they respect both me and their own promise (knowing perfectly well that it was upsetting, why do it again, then?)
I must say it was not pleasant to hear that maybe I am the bully. But posting anything on Mumsnet (and this was my very first!) this is collateral damage. I am glad I did as this counted to me as a "trial run", and it is much better to make an error here than in real life. So I will follow what @EvenMoreFuriousVexation advised me. Thanks a lot.

OP posts:
FineWordsButterNoParsnips · 29/03/2024 17:54

It's embarrassing that it had to be pointed out to you that shouting 'YES MOTHER SUPERIOR! YES MATRON!' at a woman for behaving normally, in order to get people to mock and laugh at her would, in fact be bullying.

WoodBurningStov · 29/03/2024 20:49

Next time just laugh, look at John and say 'you said that without moving your lips, what do you think?'

TheSolstices · 29/03/2024 21:03

Is your fuse always this short, OP? Because somebody butting in in a mildly know-all manner on two occasions several months apart really shouldn’t be causing you this much rage and anguish.

QuillBill · 29/03/2024 21:10

I would be baffled if someone started yelling 'yes mother superior'. I'd think you had perhaps lost your mind.

There is no way a group of people who attend a group like a choir are going to think you are amusing in any way with this little tableau.

Maybe a toddler group might.

QualityDog · 29/03/2024 21:11

After the session I told her how annoying, intimidating, and simply rude that was. I did not think she quite understood how important it was to maintain a friendly, non-judgemental atmosphere, but in the end she told me that she would not do it again

But you are not in charge of the atmosphere.

AwBlessm · 29/03/2024 21:24

BandyMcBandface · 28/03/2024 12:34

I’m not seeing how this is bullying on her part. What you have done, and are proposing to do in response, seems more like bullying tbh.

Exactly this!

bunds · 29/03/2024 21:30

Imagine thinking about a comeback for ages, being proud of it, posting it and absolutely everyone calls you out, and you still think you're in the right 🙃

This isn't a mumsnet thing OP, you've just been called out. Or should I say Matron?

IncompleteSenten · 29/03/2024 21:33

Im glad you've decided not to do that because you would have looked ridiculous and like a bit of a bully yourself.

When you ask a question, start with the name of the person you are asking. Say it a bit louder, look directly at them.

Maybe if she still carries on you go a bit stronger eg interrupt with sorry, if I could just stop you there, it's great you're so enthusiastic but I was asking X, X <repeat question>

If she still won't stop then you go up a level. I'm sorry but I find it very rude of you to jump in when I'm clearly asking X the question, X would you continue please.

grinandslothit · 29/03/2024 21:42

You sound a bit unhinged, really.

To spend all this time thinking of some way to embarrass this woman in public for no real reason is unhinged.

You really aren't in charge of the group, or this woman, or anyone else, so it's best for you to just mind your own business.

If you feel the need to correct someone, try counting to 20 or 50 if you have to even bite your tongue.

You claim that the choir is non-judgmental and inclusive, but you proceed to be judgmental and bullying to this woman just for her speaking out of turn a few times in a couple of months.

You're the one who is a bully and out of line.

BayandBlonde · 29/03/2024 21:45

I'm reading a book called 'don't sweat the small stuff'

This really is small stuff, just let her think she is right and go about your day.

Momstermunch · 29/03/2024 21:54

The lady standing next to you sounds like a bit of a stirrer. I'd watch out for that if I were you op.

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